Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers Beat LA, 4-2; Phantoms blanked by Hershey, 2-0

Glad to see Frost continue his habit of only scoring against bad teams.

What a bum.

Watched the beginning of the game but couldn’t finish. Nice to wake up to a win where Frost finally got on the board.

Frost already has as many ES points as Cates despite playing seven fewer games. I hope Noah likes the 4th line.

And I thought Hart was supposed to play. That’s two days in a row that the Flyers didn’t know their #1 goalie was sick earlier in the day?

Watched the beginning of the game but couldn’t finish. Nice to wake up to a win where Frost finally got on the board.
- mikeyo27

He had a point in Anaheim, too.

Nice pair of roads wind against two good teams! In both games the Flyers weathered the storm early and settled things down and played good hockey. You got to give up there the coaches for emphasizing getting to the crease to score goals with the semi circle drill they did this week, the Flyers scored just about all their goals this weekend from in tight. Nice to see Frost get in the board also, that’s what he has to do to stay in the lineup!

Classic Torts after the game calling BS on the Kings shot totals, saying they hit the button twice for every shot

Nice pair of roads wind against two good teams! In both games the Flyers weathered the storm early and settled things down and played good hockey. You got to give up there the coaches for emphasizing getting to the crease to score goals with the semi circle drill they did this week, there Flyers scored just about all their goals this weekend from in tight. Nice to see Frost get in the board also, that’s what he has to do to stay in the lineup!
- jd250

So he can't stay in the lineup if he creates a slew of Grade A chances that other players fail to finish? It's his fault if an iffy scoring change takes away an assist? But he CAN stay in the lineup if there's some puck luck that goes his way (and benefits from a generous scoring decision)?

Because, if that's the case, that's coaching mainly by outcome and not based on process. Additionally, it's also being applied inconsistently and selectively.

Frost already has as many ES points as Cates despite playing seven fewer games. I hope Noah likes the 4th line.
- Feanor

I know. It’s crazy. Good for frost. Solid win overall
If not perfect. I watched the 2nd and 3rd. Petersen makes me nervous but solid game.

Frost already has as many ES points as Cates despite playing seven fewer games. I hope Noah likes the 4th line.
- Feanor

what is your infatuation in always bringing up cates when frost is mentioned?

Glad to see Frost continue his habit of only scoring against bad teams.

What a bum.
- Tomahawk

cant hurt his trade value.

So he can't stay in the lineup if he creates a slew of Grade A chances that other players fail to finish? It's his fault if an iffy scoring change takes away an assist? But he CAN stay in the lineup if there's some puck luck that goes his way (and benefits from a generous scoring decision)?

Because, if that's the case, that's coaching mainly by outcome and not based on process. Additionally, it's also being applied inconsistently and selectively.

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.
- jd250

I don't want Frost spending much of his time at the front of the net without the puck, hoping someone else gets it there to him. I want him handling pucks frequently and making plays for linemates. That's his No. 1 skillset.

Frost already has as many ES points as Cates despite playing seven fewer games. I hope Noah likes the 4th line.
- Feanor

lmao. if you expect cates to score at the same rate as frost i don't know what to say. they are different players, one is more offensive, the other defensive. do you expect frost to take on more defensive roles then as well?

everyone seems so excited that frost scored and cates played on the 4th line. how did ryan do in cates' spot?

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.
- jd250

nothing to do with frost, though is cutter a perimeter player. where are a lot of his goals scored at?

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.
- jd250

I have to somewhat disagree with his first goal. He definitely made the goalie commit to the short side then went behind the net with speed. I think he knew exactly what he was doing, hoping for a bounce off the defenseman or the goalie. It was a heads up smart play.

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.

Your opinion seems to be different than 99% of people out there...including the experts like Mckenzie on TSN, and Bill on this site...the professional writer who covers the Flyers for his career. I just think you are wrong.
You hold Frost to a different level of expectations than any other player in this league. His play this year and last year says he should be in the lineup, and scratching your most creative forward on a team that struggles to score is just idiotic. He is not supposed to be a net front presence, but a shifty, play making, skating forward who sets up the netfront presence. Your criticism of his play is based on what you percieve his role to be, but that perception is wrong.
He HAS played well, and better than Foerster and Brink when they are all in the lineup together.

Hmmm...Tippet has started scoring...coincides with him playing with Frost. No coincidence there at all.

17. Morgan Frost’s scratch in San Jose renewed the spotlight on his Philadelphia future. Last I’d checked, there wasn’t anything that made the Flyers too eager to move him. And from what I’ve heard, Frost is trying his hardest not to pour gasoline on the fire.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...l-be-edmontons-next-move/

I have to somewhat disagree with his first goal. He definitely made the goalie commit to the short side then went behind the net with speed. I think he knew exactly what he was doing, hoping for a bounce off the defenseman or the goalie. It was a heads up smart play.
- Angus4444

to me it looked like he was trying to center the puck to Tippet. 5 min mark is the slow mo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5ouqoH9mtk

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.
- jd250

Do not disagree with anything, but on the 2nd goal I believe he was where he should have been, as he was playing wing (TJ took the face-off without Frost being thrown out). His skill set requires some risk, which we have seen Tortorella has a very short leash for, so he is between a rock and hard place. The coach really does not like anyone with his skill set, and he really can't play the heavy game, which Tortorella absolutely loves...and from my perspective is really boring...

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.
- jd250

Torts loves his north south players. Frost is not that and never has been. He has some creativity to his game that the Flyers lack. No offence but when Frost gets the puck below the dot there isn’t anyone on the team I would rather see with the puck. Hopefully for the Flyers sake he can get on a bit of a heater and become a regular because for a team that lacks consistent scoring they need all they can get.

Your opinion seems to be different than 99% of people out there...including the experts like Mckenzie on TSN, and Bill on this site...the professional writer who covers the Flyers for his career. I just think you are wrong.
You hold Frost to a different level of expectations than any other player in this league. His play this year and last year says he should be in the lineup, and scratching your most creative forward on a team that struggles to score is just idiotic. He is not supposed to be a net front presence, but a shifty, play making, skating forward who sets up the netfront presence. Your criticism of his play is based on what you percieve his role to be, but that perception is wrong.
He HAS played well, and better than Foerster and Brink when they are all in the lineup together.

Hmmm...Tippet has started scoring...coincides with him playing with Frost. No coincidence there at all.
- TheFreak

You can’t have all the same type of player on your team as we all know. You want to match up shooters and setup guys as well as you can. For that reason and for just the fact that I think frost needs to play for us to have him develop/ see what his ceiling might be, he should be in the lineup. Might be coincidence, but as a team, we’ve scored well the last two since he was reinserted into the lineup. If I’m a coach, I go with results and leave him in the lineup at least after wins.

Well I predicted the right score but got the teams backwards. Oops

Frost sure did look really happy after he got that first goal and during intermission qhwn they spoke with him.
I bet torts hated to see him look so happy.
Suck it, torts

Torts loves his north south players. Frost is not that and never has been. He has some creativity to his game that the Flyers lack. No offence but when Frost gets the puck below the dot there isn’t anyone on the team I would rather see with the puck. Hopefully for the Flyers sake he can get on a bit of a heater and become a regular because for a team that lacks consistent scoring they need all they can get.
- landros 2

As I just mentioned, can’t have all north south players when you have a balanced effective roster. Frost should always be in the lineup this year as we look to see what exactly we have.