You judge Frost, it seems shift by shift, and not game by game or week to week. Others, who are supposed to also be goal scorers, aren't scoring goals, and aren't critisized by you at all. Everyday, and yes I mean everyday, you come on here, and make a snide comment about Frost. It appears that you have different expectations for him than others.


Name 1 center in the league that stands out every single shift. Even McDavid has 2 points in 6 games....should he be scratched? Frost and Cates get compared to each other all the time. 2 different types of players. The reason, it seems, for this, is because Cates plays with what seems to be better offensive players (in what should be Frost's spot), and even when the game is on Cates stick and he blows it, there is no accountability for it. Frost gets no points when the team is shut out, and he gets benched. You agree with this thinking, and to me, it's wrong. Frost can't prove he belongs when he is being sat for lesser offensive players.


Who is standing out more than Frost in the last handful of games?


Mainly due to Torts treatment of him. Have you ever heard of any teams leading scorer for most of the previous season being scratched like Frost has been? No, because most teams and coaches want the players to continue to grow, not try to stunt their play and put them in ridiculous situations setup to fail. Then to expect him to jump in after 2 weeks and be in better game shape than those who have been playing is unrealistic expectations. He has been allowed to play now and the results are coming in. Tippett is playing better with Frost than he has been all season, and Frost is getting his game legs under him, and putting points up

I never said they were his bar. If they deserve to play through struggles and no goals, then so should Frost. Foerster hasn't looked like he did last year, and it feels like the team is pushing it to get him going. Brink has hit a wall. I want nothing but both these guys to produce, same with Frost.....but the treatment of them should be equal. Frost has been targeted by Torts, and your comments and daily jabs at him seem to defend Torts actions. My point about the two rookies is that neither of them is playing well enough to keep Frost out of the lineup, yet they get to keep playing while Frost gets sat. I know Brink was scratched last night....and I can see Foerster getting scratched against Carolina. But it should have been happening sooner than 15 games in.
I know Frost has higher expectations due to his year last year, but he hasn't even been getting the chance to replicate or exceed last year.
- TheFreak

Torts was super supportive of Foerster after the LA game, not sure he will sit.

Kris Knoblauch new Oilers🛢 coach. Most flyer fans on here should know him.

You judge Frost, it seems shift by shift, and not game by game or week to week. Others, who are supposed to also be goal scorers, aren't scoring goals, and aren't criticized by you at all. Everyday, and yes I mean everyday, you come on here, and make a snide comment about Frost.
- TheFreak

So right off the bat, I don't judge Frost and I don't come on here every day and make snide remarks about Frost. Today read my first post for example, I said it was nice to see Frost get some goals. How is that snide? I posted several times in the past that Frost sitting out made no sense and he should be in the lineup. Is that snide too?

Who is standing out more than Frost in the last handful of games?
- TheFreak

In the last handful of games? Hmmm ...
Tippet, Sanheim, Walker, Ersson, Peterson and Foerster. Yes, Foester does stand out to me just about every shift he makes. And last night, Frost stood out to me.

Mainly due to Torts treatment of him. Have you ever heard of any teams leading scorer for most of the previous season being scratched like Frost has been?
- TheFreak

I don't really know why Torts treats Frost the way he does. Does Torts feel he has to treat Frost this way to get the most out of him? Or does Torts just not like Frost and is always looking for a reason to take him out of the lineup? Torts has coached in the NHL for over 20 years and has developed many young players into all-star caliber players. But his treatment of Frost has been unfair and I'm the first to admit it. I am personally not a fan of Frost because I don't like the way he plays and I don't like his inconsistency. But regardless, Frost needs to play every game he can play. In the end Frost will either change Torts' mind about him and earn more slack, or Briere and Torts will decide Frost is not part of the future here and trade him. But either way, Frost has to play so we can all find out what he is, and if they decide Frost should be traded, Frost would have hopefully created a market for himself and get another opportunity someplace else.

Torts was super supportive of Foerster after the LA game, not sure he will sit.
- wcorvette

Foerster is playing really well away from the puck, winning puck battles and setting up scoring chances. I really do think his first goal is coming, and once it does I think he will score a bunch of goals in a hurry.

Sad, he sounded knowledgeable about the game. 1 AHL turkey goalie in Campbell. Who also destroyed their cap. Skinner is mediocre at the NHL level at best. A very unsymmetrical topsy-turvy roster who had no defensive abilities among forwards and D men. (➖️ Ekholm).
- THE EVIL WITHIN

I wouldn’t be surprised if Woodcroft lands in SJ after Quinn gets fired.

So right off the bat, I don't judge Frost and I don't come on here every day and make snide remarks about Frost. Today read my first post for example, I said it was nice to see Frost get some goals.

Followed up directly by that's what he needs to do to stay in the lineup. Yet other players in scoring roles that aren't scoring get free passes. Bill commented on this exact statement, speaking about coaching from outcome, not the process. Just seems like one of your first comments everyday is some sort of comment on Frost. I don't get it.

I don't know you, your experiences and thought processes, and I am not trying to offend you. I have been coming here for years, and only registered recently, and only just started commenting on things. I hate the drama here, and after quietly reading the comments daily, some posters here come across with ideas and views of players that I find strange to be polite.

Frost is just a kid, learning his role. You have said Frost needs to play, but for some reason it comes across that he needs to earn it more than other guys who just aren't pulling their weight.

Kris Knoblauch new Oilers🛢 coach. Most flyer fans on here should know him.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

oh we do this will be funny if he turns it around

I wouldn’t be surprised if Woodcroft lands in SJ after Quinn gets fired.
- Minnyhock

why would quinn get fired he didn't assemble their roster

why would quinn get fired he didn't assemble their roster
- 2Real

Yea doesn’t make much sense

Look, I understand you are a Frost fan and I respect that, but let's have an honest and objective conversation about Morgan Frost. I agree with you that the first goal was completely puck luck, though that is what happens sometimes when you take intelligent risks offensively which is exactly what Frost did on that play. But on the second goal, when was the last time Frost was in front of the net to tip in a shot from the point? I'm pretty sure the answer is never. Frost has improved his 200 foot play without a doubt since last season, but he has mostly been a perimeter player offensively and you don't score goals in this league that way. He is not the biggest kid either, so he going to knocked off the puck frequently, so his greatest asset is his speed, shiftiness and skill with his stick. Frost needs to get to the hard areas and shoot the puck more often, let his skill shine. If he does that, he will produce and stay in the lineup. But he once steps back into the perimeter, he is not going to make it in a top 6 role. Just my opinion.
- jd250

You're incapable of having an honest, objective and informed conversation about Morgan Frost.

Who do you have playing goal for the team? Ersson and sandstrom? I’d want a high first along with an nhl ready prospect. Preferably d.

One thing I wonder, everyone wants to get rid of hart like he’s 35. He just tuned 25 and in my view is just entering his prime with that possibly lasting until 32 let’s say? Some say his age doesn’t align with the rebuild, but Is the rebuild going to take 5 to 7 years or say 3? If so, keep him unless it’s an overpay.

Further, if we get rid of him, then we have to find an nhl tender and develop them with the hopes it works. If it doesn’t, we’re in a similar position as Edmonton and Toronto with this part of what’s holding them back. If they were plentiful I don’t see Edmonton paying Campbell as much as they did in desperation.

Not that hart is on the same level as price, but price has some of his best seasons aged 27 on. It takes a while to develop a tender and they are a hugely important cog to an emerging young teams success and having a solid vet in goal as you enter your window isn’t a bad proposition imo. Just my $.02.
- Hextall271

Except Edmonton has McDavid and Draisaitl and Toronto has Matthews, Marner, maybe Nylander depending how the trade deadline/ free agency goes.

Point being I feel the Flyers are further away from consistent post season play than most. Hart will be pushing 30 before we can think of these guys as perennial playoff contender let alone a championship team.

Except Edmonton has McDavid and Draisaitl and Toronto has Matthews, Marner, maybe Nylander depending how the trade deadline/ free agency goes.

Point being I feel the Flyers are further away from consistent post season play than most. Hart will be pushing 30 before we can think of these guys as perennial playoff contender let alone a championship team.
- Pelle31Forever

plus he seems to get nicked up every year and misses games.

Wont get huge haul and do you commit long term? Assuming hart wants to stay.

why would quinn get fired he didn't assemble their roster
- 2Real

Doesn’t matter. GMs have action bias when things implode. They do something even it’s the wrong thing. Woodcroft can’t stop the puck but he’s gone.

Woodcroft was with McLellan in SJ. He was held in high regard by players and fans.

Firstly, I have been supportive of Frost staying in the line up, I was against I’m not playing. Nor am I holding him to an unreasonable standard. For Frost to be successful in this league he is going to have to be an effective second line center, period. And to do that you have to be noticeable just about shift, and whether you want to accept it or not, he isn’t! Also there are more people that question Frost, a lot more than 1%! Finally, if your bar for Frost is playing as well as two rookies then Frost is in trouble. Frost is not a rookie any more, he should be much better than Brink and Foerster at this point.
- jd250

This shows how uninformed you are and reinforces how you hold Frost to an unfair standard. The only players who are truly "noticeable" on every shift, are the elite players in the league. You have also failed in umpteen instances to recognize the plays that Frost makes. When everyone is noticing Frost creating high level scoring chances for his linemates, you say he is invisible. Whether you want to accept it or not. Most importantly, a player does not lead his team in ES scoring, if that player is a perimeter player. It is impossible for Frost to put up the numbers he did last year, at ES, if his is a perimeter player. Whether you want to accept it or not.

I don't really know why Torts treats Frost the way he does. Does Torts feel he has to treat Frost this way to get the most out of him? Or does Torts just not like Frost and is always looking for a reason to take him out of the lineup? Torts has coached in the NHL for over 20 years and has developed many young players into all-star caliber players. But his treatment of Frost has been unfair and I'm the first to admit it. I am personally not a fan of Frost because I don't like the way he plays and I don't like his inconsistency. But regardless, Frost needs to play every game he can play. In the end Frost will either change Torts' mind about him and earn more slack, or Briere and Torts will decide Frost is not part of the future here and trade him. But either way, Frost has to play so we can all find out what he is, and if they decide Frost should be traded, Frost would have hopefully created a market for himself and get another opportunity someplace else.
- jd250

If Frost led his team in scoring over a 5 month period and led the team for the entire season in ES scoring and he is inconsistent. Are the players he scored more then, more inconsistent?

Doesn’t matter. GMs have action bias when things implode. They do something even it’s the wrong thing. Woodcroft can’t stop the puck but he’s gone.

Woodcroft was with McLellan in SJ. He was held in high regard by players and fans.
- Minnyhock

it's obvious san jose is tanking
it's a mulligan year for them
last year was about show casing karlsson for a tank this year

Omg. How? He had some great seasons here. Very shocking.
- Hextall271

Best goals against average and save percentage in team history!

it's obvious san jose is tanking
it's a mulligan year for them
last year was about show casing karlsson for a tank this year
- 2Real

SJ is in a true rebuild. The roster is not NHL level. The tanking is not by design.

I just saw the news about Cechmanek. Am gutted.

Came here to see if cause of death was mentioned. Didn't see it. Anyone know?

Except Edmonton has McDavid and Draisaitl and Toronto has Matthews, Marner, maybe Nylander depending how the trade deadline/ free agency goes.

Point being I feel the Flyers are further away from consistent post season play than most. Hart will be pushing 30 before we can think of these guys as perennial playoff contender let alone a championship team.
- Pelle31Forever

But even with tanking for year to get those players look at the limited success they’ve had. I think you need to build from the net out. Right now, the biggest worry for me is not the goalie but is the d corps. I can just see us building a contender and then beginning the never ending search for a competent tender all over again.


Good point. He may want out of here by the next contract especially if it indeed is going to be a 5 plus year rebuild.

But even with tanking for year to get those players look at the limited success they’ve had. I think you need to build from the net out. Right now, the biggest worry for me is not the goalie but is the d corps. I can just see us building a contender and then beginning the never ending search for a competent tender all over again.


Good point. He may want out of here by the next contract especially if it indeed is going to be a 5 plus year rebuild.
- Hextall271

To me the biggest challenge moving forward is drafting a developing a top defenseman. You simply can't win in this league without a couple of high level 2 way puck moving, play driving defenseman.

As far as Hart is concerned. I think he is a good goalie and concerns moving forward with the position are legit. However, can't let the history of the past determine the future. Hart is not at the level where he should be anywhere near the top paid goalie's in the league. He really has been nothing more than an average goaltender statistically in his career. Even at times been below average. I don't think the Flyers should offer him a max term deal. If he is looking for more than something like a 4-5 year deal for around 5M or so. The Flyers should move him

SJ is in a true rebuild. The roster is not NHL level. The tanking is not by design.
- Minnyhock

so everyone knows this why would quinn be fired?

To me the biggest challenge moving forward is drafting a developing a top defenseman. You simply can't win in this league without a couple of high level 2 way puck moving, play driving defenseman.

As far as Hart is concerned. I think he is a good goalie and concerns moving forward with the position are legit. However, can't let the history of the past determine the future. Hart is not at the level where he should be anywhere near the top paid goalie's in the league. He really has been nothing more than an average goaltender statistically in his career. Even at times been below average. I don't think the Flyers should offer him a max term deal. If he is looking for more than something like a 4-5 year deal for around 5M or so. The Flyers should move him
- MJL

I really and truly believe that the struggles he’s had have been the result of the horrible team d in front of him. Over the last 3 years, the chances he’s had to deal with have been absurd and it’s cause him to lose confidence, and get worn out. He hasn’t been able to trust the d in front of him in my view.

With even a decent team in front of him, his solid technique show me that he can succeed. I do agree that if there’s a huge overpay he’ll be gone and if the org feels the same way as many fans do about how unimportant goaltending is, then it’s probably for the best that we start building a VERY good d corps that can overcome poor goaltending

To me the biggest challenge moving forward is drafting a developing a top defenseman. You simply can't win in this league without a couple of high level 2 way puck moving, play driving defenseman.

As far as Hart is concerned. I think he is a good goalie and concerns moving forward with the position are legit. However, can't let the history of the past determine the future. Hart is not at the level where he should be anywhere near the top paid goalie's in the league. He really has been nothing more than an average goaltender statistically in his career. Even at times been below average. I don't think the Flyers should offer him a max term deal. If he is looking for more than something like a 4-5 year deal for around 5M or so. The Flyers should move him
- MJL

cliff with definitive opinion. What's an acceptable return in your view?

Drafting a top dman could take years (not that I disagree). Flyers history is not on their side. Are you better off trying to trade for one?

I really and truly believe that the struggles he’s had have been the result of the horrible team d in front of him. Over the last 3 years, the chances he’s had to deal with have been absurd and it’s cause him to lose confidence, and get worn out. He hasn’t been able to trust the d in front of him in my view.

With even a decent team in front of him, his solid technique show me that he can succeed. I do agree that if there’s a huge overpay he’ll be gone and if the org feels the same way as many fans do about how unimportant goaltending is, then it’s probably for the best that we start building a VERY good d corps that can overcome poor goaltending
- Hextall271

He can succeed for sure and I believe you can win with him. I just feel that many in this fanbase overrate Carter Hart. He's a good goalie, nothing more. I don't think many fans think goaltending is unimportant. I think many feel that they shouldn't get into a big long term deal with Hart for where the team is. I tend to lean towards agreeing.