I really and truly believe that the struggles he’s had have been the result of the horrible team d in front of him. Over the last 3 years, the chances he’s had to deal with have been absurd and it’s cause him to lose confidence, and get worn out. He hasn’t been able to trust the d in front of him in my view.

With even a decent team in front of him, his solid technique show me that he can succeed. I do agree that if there’s a huge overpay he’ll be gone and if the org feels the same way as many fans do about how unimportant goaltending is, then it’s probably for the best that we start building a VERY good d corps that can overcome poor goaltending
- Hextall271

Then edmonton is not a good destination. Leafs? they have their issues. Buffalo? not a defensive oriented team. The D has not been great by any means. Hart as also had issues unrelated to the D.

I dont think many fans think goaltending is unimportant. they just don't want to commit long term to hart.

But even with tanking for year to get those players look at the limited success they’ve had. I think you need to build from the net out. Right now, the biggest worry for me is not the goalie but is the d corps. I can just see us building a contender and then beginning the never ending search for a competent tender all over again.


Good point. He may want out of here by the next contract especially if it indeed is going to be a 5 plus year rebuild.
- Hextall271

Hopefully those Flyers don't fail in that regard if they are fortunate enough to land some elite skill. I agree you can't win without solid goaltending. I think Vegas showed you don't need Veznia caliber net minding. Which is why I'm with you on the defensive part of this team. There really isn’t much to hang your hat on within the organization. A lot of "ifs".

But even with tanking for year to get those players look at the limited success they’ve had. I think you need to build from the net out. Right now, the biggest worry for me is not the goalie but is the d corps. I can just see us building a contender and then beginning the never ending search for a competent tender all over again.


Good point. He may want out of here by the next contract especially if it indeed is going to be a 5 plus year rebuild.
- Hextall271

the tanking part worked out fine. They got the picks.

They have incompetent management. That is why they have failed. One can make the case the flyers would fail as well because of incompetent management. That being said the flyers way is not a winning way.

Having to play Seeler 19+ minutes and your bottom pair 13 and 11 is eventually going to catch up with you.

2 no future guys on the 3rd pair is def entertaining.

so everyone knows this why would quinn be fired?
- 2Real

Quinn has a terrible roster. The team has no chemistry, they don’t play for each other and don’t have much fight. Some of that is on the coach. They need a scapegoat any way you look at it.

Wow

MAXEY

Wow

MAXEY
- THE BLACK HAND

He's a budding star. Can't believe Oubre got hit by a car. Crazy.

You're incapable of having an honest, objective and informed conversation about Morgan Frost.
- MJL

Oh, nice of you to chime in with your usual thought provoking material!

He's a budding star. Can't believe Oubre got hit by a car. Crazy.
- MJL

The talk abound the Celtics writers is they are concerned about the Sixers getting one more really good player to compliment Maxy and Embid, more concerned in fact that than they are about beating the Bucks.

Very sad to hear about the passing of Roman Čechmánek. He may have been a bit off, but for 3 years he was far and away the best Flyers goalie in their history. His numbers were staggering by any standard.

Very sad to hear about the passing of Roman Čechmánek. He may have been a bit off, but for 3 years he was far and away the best Flyers goalie in their history. His numbers were staggering by any standard.
- jd250

The best goalie in their history, far and away? Not for any period. That would be Bernie Parent. RIP Roman.

He's a budding star. Can't believe Oubre got hit by a car. Crazy.
- MJL

nice use of a buzzword

The best goalie in their history, far and away? Not for any period. That would be Bernie Parent. RIP Roman.
- MJL

fact or opinion?

fact or opinion?
- hello it's me 2050

Are you really asking?

After 15 games the supposed Selke candidate Noah Cates is scoring at a 4th line level, getting outscored 10-7 at ES, and has been demoted to the 4th line.

they are stacked.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes, they are. Except for in goal right now cause they're missing Sandstrom and Petersen. Lappy has no business being a head coach.

@avappleyard
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Nov 9
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@LVPhantoms
have ~7-8 forwards who are realistically top 6 level in the
@ahl
... and several solid depth forwards.

They have ~5-6 Dmen who on paper should be top 4 level in the #AHL.

Annnd they are looking worse than last year (where they were a mediocre team). #Flyers

Then edmonton is not a good destination. Leafs? they have their issues. Buffalo? not a defensive oriented team. The D has not been great by any means. Hart as also had issues unrelated to the D.

I dont think many fans think goaltending is unimportant. they just don't want to commit long term to hart.
- hello it's me 2050

Good points and enjoy the conversation. What issues have you seen unrelated to the d? It’s my belief that after long periods of poor team d in front of a goalie, they lose confidence and cheat for a pass feeling that their d won’t cover it. When you do that, you play too far back in your net and get beat on the shot. It spirals out of control. The d then don’t trust the goalie to make the save and try to block/ cover everything that high you can’t.

Conversely, when you trust the d, you are more confident in your reads and can step out to cut the angle on a shot putting more pressure on the shooter. Trust becomes contagious. D trusts tender, tender trusts d. My point being that while he’s not been perfect, the d in front of him has been horrible and many issues are traced back to this.

After 15 games the supposed Selke candidate Noah Cates is scoring at a 4th line level, getting outscored 10-7 at ES, and has been demoted to the 4th line.
- Feanor

He should sit but won’t.

Very sad to hear about the passing of Roman Čechmánek. He may have been a bit off, but for 3 years he was far and away the best Flyers goalie in their history. His numbers were staggering by any standard.
- jd250

He was very good for a bit, but there's some era-adjustment needed when looking at those numbers. SV%'s were generally a bit inflated due to the way the game was being played/called and goals were way down.

He's a budding star. Can't believe Oubre got hit by a car. Crazy.
- MJL

Crazy. Hit and run too. Likely a Celtics fan. Glad he sounds like he’ll be ok.

After 15 games the supposed Selke candidate Noah Cates is scoring at a 4th line level, getting outscored 10-7 at ES, and has been demoted to the 4th line.
- Feanor

They really should move him back to the wing. See if that frees him up a bit.

Are you really asking?
- mickel25

yes. is numbers for that 3 year stretch were extremely good. Has any prior goalie had better?

Yes, they are. Except for in goal right now cause they're missing Sandstrom and Petersen. Lappy has no business being a head coach.

@avappleyard
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Nov 9
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@LVPhantoms
have ~7-8 forwards who are realistically top 6 level in the
@ahl
... and several solid depth forwards.

They have ~5-6 Dmen who on paper should be top 4 level in the #AHL.

Annnd they are looking worse than last year (where they were a mediocre team). #Flyers
- Feanor

well if appleturd says it must be true. On paper dont matter much.

lappy having no business being a head coach and saying they are stacked are 2 diff conversations.

He should sit but won’t.
- Hextall271

Unless a coaching staff feels that a young player is mentally fighting it or is heavily fatigued and it is leaking into his game. I don't believe that any young player should sit. Including Cates. Ups and downs are simply part of it for young players. Modern day coaching is working with young players and coaching them through the rough patches. Not sitting them out punitively to say, you've got to play harder! Now if a player is dogging it out there and being lazy, that's fine but I don't think that is the case with Cates or any of the Flyers young players. Zamula makes an ill-advised pinch in a game that leads to a transition goal against and he sits. He must be punished! Lets call up Mete and play him instead! Ridiculous. The issue with Cates is what was always apparent. Offensively, he is not a center. If his D game slips a little, his effectiveness at center declines.

Do not disagree with anything, but on the 2nd goal I believe he was where he should have been, as he was playing wing (TJ took the face-off without Frost being thrown out). His skill set requires some risk, which we have seen Tortorella has a very short leash for, so he is between a rock and hard place. The coach really does not like anyone with his skill set, and he really can't play the heavy game, which Tortorella absolutely loves...and from my perspective is really boring...
- mr4tno

Travis Konecny has a similar skillset to Frost, fast, good hands, good vision, etc. and Torts love TK? Why is that? Perhaps because TK has a better motor than Frost and consistently gets to the dirty areas of the ice. TK takes risks that often lead to turnovers and chances going the other way, but Torts tolerates it because he knows that is what happens sometimes. No, I think the reason why Frost has a short leash with Torts is because he does not consistently play a harder game and get to the dirty areas as much as Torts would like. This is what I mean about being noticeable shift to shift. It's not always about the flashy play, its being around the net and having the puck more often.