Keith Jones on tanking:

Hence, Torts is coaching the way he is coaching.
- jd250

We know how Jonesy and Torts think already.

What we want to know is what Danny's stance on long term vs short term is. Is he OK with sacrificing development to chase ticket sales and a sense of accomplishment?

Keith Jones on tanking:

Hence, Torts is coaching the way he is coaching.
- jd250

I dont have a problem with the team wanting to win and not try to lose on purpose like the Hawks did.

I do have a problem if they try to go the Mr. Burns route and play all sorts of veterans at the expense of youth to do it. So far it seems like they are doing it to an extent. But when they scratch Frost for half the season, scratch Brink, and Zamula for more than one game in a row in favor of the corpse of Marc Staal it leaves doubts in my mind.

I also get the load management argument to an extent, but then when Torts uses the "I dont know who to take out to get him back in" argument, it loses some of its validity.

I dont have a problem with the team wanting to win and not try to lose on purpose like the Hawks did.

I do have a problem if they try to go the Mr. Burns route and play all sorts of veterans at the expense of youth to do it. So far it seems like they are doing it to an extent. But when they scratch Frost for half the season, scratch Brink, and Zamula for more than one game in a row in favor of the corpse of Marc Staal it leaves doubts in my mind.

I also get the load management argument to an extent, but then when Torts uses the "I dont know who to take out to get him back in" argument, it loses some of its validity.
- MBFlyerfan

"Hey Frosty, we think you're a big part of our future. We see big things for you in the future. By the way, you're not playing tonight! "

IMO he has looked ok which is good. Not standing out in the usual WTF are you doing way. He did make a nice rush coming below the net and out the other side for a good shot on goal against Carolina.

I am wondering if they will try him on the PP like he was used in Buffalo for years.
- MBFlyerfan

I think you have to put him on the PP. whether it’s net front or up at the blue line. I don’t know what Hathaway is doing out there. I feel like Sanheim has been really good offensively at even strength but between he and Walker, I’d replace Sanheim with Ristolainen on the PP.

Power play points on the season.

Sanheim 4 PP points. Leads the team

Walker 1 PP point

The coach is ALWAYS there to win. If the Flyers wanted to tank, then there would have been a fire sale in the summer. There was not. They dealt away three guys that opened up 3 spots that kids coming up could compete for.
I just hope as we go along here, the Flyers do try and win every game….but please let’s do it while leaning on the younger guys.
Come the end of March do I want to see Atkinson on the pp or Cutter Gauthier?
- landros2

Yes, I also hope the Flyers deal a few more veterans at the deadline, namely Staal (give him another chance at competing for a Cup), Walker (who the Flyers can always resign in the off-season), and Laughton (who always deserves a chance at a Cup). Then maybe we will see Andrae and Ginning plays some NHL games. I would not hold your breath with Gauthier because I think BC will go deep into the NCAA frozen four which goes into mid April.

thought you deal in facts cliff? he has not shown to be a top line player in any way so far in his career
- hello it's me 2050

The facts are this season Farabee leads the Flyers with 14 ESP, two more than Tippett and Konecny. He's done this despite being centered mostly by Cates, Laughton and Poehling. He's been the best ES winger on the team, even though the idiot coach isn't playing him with Couturier.

Since the league went back to full seasons after Covid, Farabee has 81 ESP (38 G, 43 A) in 167 games, trailing only TK. And his ESP/60 is 2.1. That's top 6 winger production, even though it includes last season where he wasn't 100% after having neck surgery.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

I'd change the lines up and try and consistently keep them in place, utilizing practices with revised lines in place instead of constantly switching them up during games, sitting specific players, and double-shifting others which seems to be Torts MO every game, even more so when the Flyers are trailing which is a lot of the season.

Farabee | Couturier | Konecny
Tippett | Frost | Atkinson
Foerster | Laughton | Brink
Deslauriers | Poehling | Hathaway

I've seen him play one game. He looked fine.
- MJL

I would love to see him play well and then trade him and his contract. You got to figure someone like Toronto or Edmonton might take it if he puts together a string of 10 or 12 good games.

The facts are this season Farabee leads the Flyers with 14 ESP, two more than Tippett and Konecny. He's done this despite being centered mostly by Cates, Laughton and Poehling. He's been the best ES winger on the team, even though the idiot coach isn't playing him with Couturier.

Since the league went back to full seasons after Covid, Farabee has 81 ESP in 167 games, trailing only TK. And his ESP/60 is 2.1. That's top 6 winger production, even though it includes last season where he wasn't 100% after having neck surgery.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL
- Feanor

Some of the same facts that I posted on the previous page of the thread.

I dont have a problem with the team wanting to win and not try to lose on purpose like the Hawks did.

I do have a problem if they try to go the Mr. Burns route and play all sorts of veterans at the expense of youth to do it. So far it seems like they are doing it to an extent. But when they scratch Frost for half the season, scratch Brink, and Zamula for more than one game in a row in favor of the corpse of Marc Staal it leaves doubts in my mind.

I also get the load management argument to an extent, but then when Torts uses the "I dont know who to take out to get him back in" argument, it loses some of its validity.
- MBFlyerfan

I don't disagree with you and I do feel there needs to be more balance. Hopefully with Cates out Frost and Brink will play well enough to stay in the lineup. However we also have to consider the importance of playing some veteran players enough so they have good trade value come the deadline. For example, you want Staal to showcase himself to other teams so that the Flyers can get something for him. I think this can happen while also making sure Zamula gets into enough games to continue to develop. Torts said as much in yesterday's presser.

I am wondering if they will try him on the PP like he was used in Buffalo for years.
- MBFlyerfan

They should. If he's gonna be a $5.1m 3rd pairing dman, at least get some PP value out of him.

I would love to see him play well and then trade him and his contract. You got to figure someone like Toronto or Edmonton might take it if he puts together a string of 10 or 12 good games.
- therabbi

I'll answer it this way. Would you take him if you were Toronto or Edmonton? A player who at this point to be effective needs to be sheltered on the 3rd pair? Maybe if the Flyers retained 50%? I wouldn't if I was those teams.

abc

I don't disagree with you and I do feel there needs to be more balance. Hopefully with Cates out Frost and Brink will play well enough to stay in the lineup. However we also have to consider the importance of playing some veteran players enough so they have good trade value come the deadline. For example, you want Staal to showcase himself to other teams so that the Flyers can get something for him. I think this can happen while also making sure Zamula gets into enough games to continue to develop. Torts said as much in yesterday's presser.
- jd250

Staal is at this point, is a low minute #6 defenseman who is pretty much washed up. There is no showcasing to be done. There is no increasing his value. He's a player if he is tradeable, gets you a 6th round pick or a low level prospect. It is far more important that the Flyers play Zamula and get him the experience he needs.

Brainwashed again by Tortorella!

I think you have to put him on the PP. whether it’s net front or up at the blue line. I don’t know what Hathaway is doing out there. I feel like Sanheim has been really good offensively at even strength but between he and Walker, I’d replace Sanheim with Ristolainen on the PP.
- roenick97

my top PP would be Risto, Frost (half wall), Couts (faceoffs), Foerster (one timer) and Tippet. This way I have 3 shooters and 2 play makers, plus faceoff protection in case Couts gets tossed.

my top PP would be Risto, Frost (half wall), Couts (faceoffs), Foerster (one timer) and Tippet. This way I have 3 shooters and 2 play makers, plus faceoff protection in case Couts gets tossed.
- jd250

What does Couturier faceoffs mean?

Power play points on the season.

Sanheim 4 PP points. Leads the team

Walker 1 PP point
- MJL

Sanheim has also been on the power play all season as well as leads the team in ice time if I’m not mistaken, so something has to give, right? I’m gonna need more context because the PP is at the bottom of the entire league.

The PHD line are bottom of the class.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

ES GF% of Flyer forwards after 22 games

Frost 63.64 (10 healthy scratches)
Konecny 62.5
Foerster 60.87 (1 healthy scratch)

Farabee 59.26
Couturier 55.56
Brink 54.55 (5 healthy scratches)
Laughton 50

Tippett 46.88

Atkinson 39.39
Cates 38.89
Poehling 35.71 (3 healthy scratches)
Hathaway 28.57
Deslauriers 20

Staal is at this point, is a low minute #6 defenseman who is pretty much washed up. There is no showcasing to be done. There is no increasing his value. He's a player if he is tradeable, gets you a 6th round pick or a low level prospect. It is far more important that the Flyers play Zamula and get him the experience he needs.

Brainwashed again by Tortorella!
- MJL

Staal went to the cup finals last season with Florida, played all 82 games in the regular season, plus another 21 playoff games where he average 20 minutes per game. He is exactly the type of experienced defender a playoff bound team will want to add at the deadline and they will pay a lot more than a 6th round pick to get him. However you cannot sit Staal for the most of the season and expect a return for him. He needs to play enough so he is sharp, yet healthy. This is the balance I was referring to.

Once again, you hatred of everything Flyers comes through. Apparently any player that puts on the orange and black loses all value across the league in your world. Who can forget, in your world, Hefferty on down should all be replaced after only 21 games ...

Staal went to the cup finals last season with Florida, played all 82 games in the regular season, plus another 21 playoff games where he average 20 minutes per game. He is exactly the type of experienced defender a playoff bound team will want to add at the deadline and they will pay a lot more than a 6th round pick to get him. However you cannot sit Staal for the most of the season and expect a return for him. He needs to play enough so he is sharp, yet healthy. This is the balance I was referring to.

Once again, you hatred of everything Flyers comes through. Apparently any player that puts on the orange and black loses all value across the league in your world. Who can forget, in your world, Hefferty on down should all be replaced after only 21 games ...
- jd250

He played so well that Florida wasn't interested in bringing him back. He has declined and is near the end. Staal is so good that he is playing limited minutes on a team with a weak defense while Seeler is playing 18 minutes a game. He played so well in Florida that there was a bidding war for him among contending teams. It was just his dream to play for the Flyers.
That you think it's about a hatred of the Flyers is just more of you embarrassing yourself on a daily basis. You have reached your goal for the day! Congrats.

Keith Jones on tanking:

Hence, Torts is coaching the way he is coaching.
- jd250

Tanking and playing / developing the young players are 2 different things,,,,you know that right? You can still play the young guys, develope them and not tank all at the same time. Putting Frost, Zamula, Brink and Forester in the lineup doesn't mean they are trying to tank, and doesn't cost them the chance of winning vs playing Hathaway, ND, Staal and Poehling.
Playing the younger guys does help the young players grow, and it helps the Flyers access what they have, and builds for the future of the team.

Tanking and playing / developing the young players are 2 different things,,,,you know that right? You can still play the young guys, develope them and not tank all at the same time. Putting Frost, Zamula, Brink and Forester in the lineup doesn't mean they are trying to tank, and doesn't cost them the chance of winning vs playing Hathaway, ND, Stall and Poehling.
Playing the younger guys does help the young players grow, and it helps the Flyers access what they have, and builds for the future of the team.




- TheFreak

Inconceivable!!

He played so well that Florida wasn't interested in bringing him back. He has declined and is near the end. Staal is so good that he is playing limited minutes on a team with a weak defense while Seeler is playing 18 minutes a game. He played so well in Florida that there was a bidding war for him among contending teams. It was just his dream to play for the Flyers.
That you think it's about a hatred of the Flyers is just more of you embarrassing yourself on a daily basis. You have reached your goal for the day! Congrats.
- MJL

Yup, Danny Briere is naive and being manipulated by the evil Jones and Torts .. Hefferty is responsible for the triumphant, which has already failed in your eyes after only 21 games. Torts wields all the power in the organization and the team will never move forward until he is gone. Hefferty on down need to go! I can go on .. but the point should be made. You have reached your quota of embarrassing yourself far ahead of me.

Tanking and playing / developing the young players are 2 different things,,,,you know that right? You can still play the young guys, develope them and not tank all at the same time. Putting Frost, Zamula, Brink and Forester in the lineup doesn't mean they are trying to tank, and doesn't cost them the chance of winning vs playing Hathaway, ND, Stall and Poehling.
Playing the younger guys does help the young players grow, and it helps the Flyers access what they have, and builds for the future of the team.
- TheFreak

I don't see any issue with playing Staal, Hathaway and Poehling, all good depth players that bring needed elements to the team. I would like to see Deslauriers used more sparingly, but unfortunately I don't see that happening with Torts, who seems to love what Deslauriers brings.