There is a big difference, to me, between tanking and prioritizing your lineup for you get players knowing there will be struggles and learning curve.

Tanking to me is icing a roster you know will be non-competitive. Not icing a roster that may take longer to come together and evolve as players grow into their roles.

That’s how I see it, anyway.
- funmaster18

And therein lies the other conundrum. Frost has been demonstrably better than the players replacing him. And Zamula in my opinion has been better than Staal.

Again, sit Brink, Zamula, Foerster every once in a while if they see they are wearing down or just need a maintenance day. But dont blow smoke up my ass telling me that who they are sitting for, are playing too good to be taken out of the lineup.

Frost, there is no excuse. He should be playing every game and it shouldnt even be an issue.

York makes quick decisions with the puck and walker has good puck abilities and would give a different looks with a right handed shot which could support TK on that right side . I’ve stated this many times, Sanheim is a good player but he’s not a powerplay guy at the nhl level, his game better suits transition offense rather than stationary.
- ClaudeFather

Sanheim has shown to have better offensive ability than both players. Many of Sanheim's points this season have come from in the offensive zone plays rather than transition rushes. York and Walker have not shown to be superior. What I would do is try and develop the players that are deemed to be part of the future with the team in that role. That would be Sanheim and York in my opinion. I keep hearing how York is the better player, while I counter that Sanheim is. To this point, my opinion seems to be correct.

Sanheim has shown to have better offensive ability than both players. Many of Sanheim's points this season have come from in the offensive zone plays rather than transition rushes. York and Walker have not shown to be superior. What I would do is try and develop the players that are deemed to be part of the future with the team in that role. That would be Sanheim and York in my opinion. I keep hearing how York is the better player, while I counter that Sanheim is. To this point, my opinion seems to be correct.
- MJL

Sanheim is in no way a proven better PP player than York. Neither is proven first off and the PP is dead last with Sanheim running the show.

Keith Jones on tanking:

Hence, Torts is coaching the way he is coaching.
- jd250

yea well tanking is how you get bedard mcdavid mackinon oviechkin, crosby, etc

Sanheim is in no way a proven better PP player than York. Neither is proven first off and the PP is dead last with Sanheim running the show.
- ClaudeFather

York is in no way a proven better PP player than Sanheim. Again, I don't object to changes on the PP being made. I object to Sanheim being the chosen change for players that he has shown to be better than. Make changes but keep Sanheim as part of the PP rotation of players.

Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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2h
Torts acknowledged today part of the reason why he's pushing the team to play a more aggressive style this year in terms of creating offense is in anticipation for a few years down the road, when Michkov & a few more high-end scorers are here. Had a good quote, too. Incoming.



Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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1h
"You get to the future, you start moving away a couple of years from now when the Mad Russian comes over here & you start bringing in maybe some UFAs when the time's right w/some more offensive skill. I want that to fall into place when they come in. I want to stay w/this style."

Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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2h
Torts acknowledged today part of the reason why he's pushing the team to play a more aggressive style this year in terms of creating offense is in anticipation for a few years down the road, when Michkov & a few more high-end scorers are here. Had a good quote, too. Incoming.



Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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1h
"You get to the future, you start moving away a couple of years from now when the Mad Russian comes over here & you start bringing in maybe some UFAs when the time's right w/some more offensive skill. I want that to fall into place when they come in. I want to stay w/this style."
- StepfordSam

Mad Russian?

Mad Russian?
- Dkos

No idea...

And therein lies the other conundrum. Frost has been demonstrably better than the players replacing him. And Zamula in my opinion has been better than Staal.

Again, sit Brink, Zamula, Foerster every once in a while if they see they are wearing down or just need a maintenance day. But dont blow smoke up my ass telling me that who they are sitting for, are playing too good to be taken out of the lineup.

Frost, there is no excuse. He should be playing every game and it shouldnt even be an issue.
- MBFlyerfan

if they were tanking they would have traded more veterans away in the offseason.
Maybe Torts and the other leaders see more of than the average guy watching him on TV. Maybe they see a lot of things they don't like.

All of can us speculate and offer opinions but we are not there with the team at practice and non of us have the hockey IQ to understand fully what we are watching. Some of do know more than others but still.

Can all of us say with 100% absoluteness that Zamula would have made the club coming out of training camp if there was no chance of him being claimed by another team if waived?

if they were tanking they would have traded more veterans away in the offseason.
Maybe Torts and the other leaders see more of than the average guy watching him on TV. Maybe they see a lot of things they don't like.

All of can us speculate and offer opinions but we are not there with the team at practice and non of us have the hockey IQ to understand fully what we are watching. Some of do know more than others but still.

Can all of us say with 100% absoluteness that Zamula would have made the club coming out of training camp if there was no chance of him being claimed by another team if waived?
- WhiskeyMan

It often puzzles me when I read the argument of "none of us are there" or "none of us are as smart as they are". If that's the case, then close up shop. No need to comment if we apply that. Not to mention that in many cases., it seems to me that many of the fans are smarter than they are, even if they aren't "there".

No idea...

- MBFlyerfan

not sure why, but I feel like this is kind of offensive.

not sure why, but I feel like this is kind of offensive.
- Dkos

At the very least, inappropriate. Maybe another apology forthcoming.

York is in no way a proven better PP player than Sanheim. Again, I don't object to changes on the PP being made. I object to Sanheim being the chosen change for players that he has shown to be better than. Make changes but keep Sanheim as part of the PP rotation of players.
- MJL

has RR shown to be better than Sanheim on the pp over his career?

At the very least, inappropriate. Maybe another apology forthcoming.
- MJL

Meh, one thing Torts is not, is a snowflake. Its a pretty standard phrase. There is even a Country Club in Colorado called Mad Russian CC.

Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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2h
Torts acknowledged today part of the reason why he's pushing the team to play a more aggressive style this year in terms of creating offense is in anticipation for a few years down the road, when Michkov & a few more high-end scorers are here. Had a good quote, too. Incoming.



Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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1h
"You get to the future, you start moving away a couple of years from now when the Mad Russian comes over here & you start bringing in maybe some UFAs when the time's right w/some more offensive skill. I want that to fall into place when they come in. I want to stay w/this style."
- StepfordSam

this summer

At the very least, inappropriate. Maybe another apology forthcoming.
- MJL

stfu cliff. Wow he called MM the mad russian. How terrible. amazing what this society and country have become.

has RR shown to be better than Sanheim on the pp over his career?
- hello it's me 2050

Both were force fed minutes, one performed drastically better

has RR shown to be better than Sanheim on the pp over his career?
- hello it's me 2050

Yes I believe he has. Or at least has a little better track record. I think we can all agree that none of the three are great at it.

stfu cliff. Wow he called MM the mad russian. How terrible. amazing what this society and country have become.
- hello it's me 2050

Calm down. I asked the question. Has nothing to do with society these days grandpa.

Sanheim is in no way a proven better PP player than York. Neither is proven first off and the PP is dead last with Sanheim running the show.
- ClaudeFather

There is no threat of a point shot with sanhiem. Risto is one of the best at getting his on net. Would also like to see York with the 1 st unit as he has run the pp at every level he’s played until now. He is also good at keeping the puck in the zone.

There is no threat of a point shot with sanhiem. Risto is one of the best at getting his on net. Would also like to see York with the 1 st unit as he has run the pp at every level he’s played until now. He is also good at keeping the puck in the zone.
- Peter Richards

If you actually watch the game and how York moves on the PP, it’s very clear he has the capability to be successful on the Pp. And like you said he’s always been the guy on the PP. I don’t think you need the big shot back there, just need something to get through.

It often puzzles me when I read the argument of "none of us are there" or "none of us are as smart as they are". If that's the case, then close up shop. No need to comment if we apply that. Not to mention that in many cases., it seems to me that many of the fans are smarter than they are, even if they aren't "there".
- MJL

Well that is your opinion.

Is Frost hustling more or coasting more at practice?

Is he going into corners or against the boards and digging pucks out?

You are always acting like the super genius here, only your opinions should be taken as the facts . Do you watch every second of every shift of Frost? Do you watch all his movements? Do you watch what he is doing when he does not of the puck? Do you block out the other 9 players on the ice and concentrate of Frost or do watch a second here and there?

Are you at every game sitting at the top so you can see what every player is doing or are you at home sitting in-front of a tv that does not show everything that is happening on the ice?

I agree with some of your posts but when you start calling out Torts and defame him, you instantly lose credibility.

This horrible coach Torts has a team that has a player that should be retired, 2 players that missed a season or 2, 3 rookies and 6 new players on it contending for a playoff spot. He is a Neanderthal coach who is horrible at his job.

Calm down. I asked the question. Has nothing to do with society these days grandpa.
- Dkos

blow me

blow me
- hello it's me 2050

Well I do declare.

If you actually watch the game and how York moves on the PP, it’s very clear he has the capability to be successful on the Pp. And like you said he’s always been the guy on the PP. I don’t think you need the big shot back there, just need something to get through.
- ClaudeFather

York is accurate enough with his and can shoot. Sanhiem just isn’t accurate enough imo. With risto would like if we had someone good at deflections. Over his career….he hits the net.