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deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:56 AM ET
It would be better for us to lose Allen for nothing than losing Primeau imho.
- Scabeh


and a team would much rather gamble on a young and cheap pirmeau than Allen at this point
AGalchenyuk27
Location: He was responsible for the term “Gordie Howe hat trick”, where a player scored a goal, added an , NB
Joined: 02.05.2013

Dec 1 @ 10:56 AM ET

- Pat1993

no trade protection
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:57 AM ET
no trade protection
- AGalchenyuk27


habs dont like to use protection
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:58 AM ET
I agree, I was just thinking that now might be an opportunity to keep both if Primeau isn't picked up. then again there might still be some interest for him I guess...
- Pat1993

obviously they're unable to trade Allen, otherwise it would have been done already.
waive him! if he gets claimed, good for him. Habs gain cap space and both kids can play. if he doesn't, send him to Laval where he can mentor Dobes, and be called up in case of an injury. they cannot keep 3 goalies much longer imo, it is not good for the development of Monty and Primeau, who they must value since they kept him on the team.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:00 AM ET
obviously they're unable to trade Allen, otherwise it would have been done already.
waive him! if he gets claimed, good for him. Habs gain cap space and both kids can play. if he doesn't, send him to Laval where he can mentor Dobes, and be a called up in case of an injury. they cannot keep 3 goalies much longer imo, it is not good for the development of Monty and Primeau, who they must value since they kept him on the team.

- fidopro


I'd agree with that.

But it's a tough move to make to Allen who's been nothing but extremely commited and professional towards the team.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Dec 1 @ 11:03 AM ET
I'd agree with that.

But it's a tough move to make to Allen who's been nothing but extremely commited and professional towards the team.

- Scabeh

it is a tough business, but they have to prioritise the kids development over loyalty to a vet. a vet who btw has nothing to say. he has a good contract (which I do not to this day understand) and has played below par for the last month.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:04 AM ET
I'd agree with that.

But it's a tough move to make to Allen who's been nothing but extremely commited and professional towards the team.

- Scabeh

they are not putting him on waiver, I can't see that happening. HuGo tend to show a lot of respect towards vets like him.

I wonder who is on his modified NTC this year

23-24: 7 team no-trade list. 24-25: 3 team no-trade list
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:06 AM ET
it is a tough business, but they have to prioritise the kids development over loyalty to a vet. a vet who btw has nothing to say. he has a good contract (which I do not to this day understand) and has played below par for the last month.
- fidopro


You're right but treating veterans with respect also tends to go a long way as far as team reputation goes if you want to sign UFAs at some point.

As I said, I agree it would be the right move hockeywise, but there are other factors to consider before making it.

And now that we might lose Newhook for a while, another roster spot to keep 3 goalies!
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Dec 1 @ 11:07 AM ET
they are not putting him on waiver, I can't see that happening. HuGo tend to show a lot of respect towards vets like him.

I wonder who is on his modified NTC this year

23-24: 7 team no-trade list. 24-25: 3 team no-trade list

- Symba007

agreed, that is not a move HuGo want to make, but do they really have a choice?
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Dec 1 @ 11:08 AM ET
You're right but treating veterans with respect also tends to go a long way as far as team reputation goes if you want to sign UFAs at some point.

As I said, I agree it would be the right move hockeywise, but there are other factors to consider before making it.

And now that we might lose Newhook for a while, another roster spot to keep 3 goalies!

- Scabeh

I would say giving him 2x3.8M showed a lot of respect. A LOT!
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:09 AM ET
it is a tough business, but they have to prioritise the kids development over loyalty to a vet. a vet who btw has nothing to say. he has a good contract (which I do not to this day understand) and has played below par for the last month.
- fidopro


that's not true, except for that game against LA he's been decent.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
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Dec 1 @ 11:10 AM ET
I would say giving him 2x3.8M showed a lot of respect. A LOT!
- fidopro


At the time, it made sense.

They wanted to make sure the team's progression wasn't destroyed by bad goaltending. Allen was a way to stabilize the position.

Montembeault improved more than they expected and they now see that Allen wasn't needed, which wasn't obvious when the contract was signed.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Dec 1 @ 11:11 AM ET
that's not true, except for that game against LA he's been decent.
- Pat1993


started the month giving a goal after 22 seconds to TB. 4 goals in the first before being removed. 2 of them weak ones. lost his last 5 starts with an avg of 0.875.

you find that decent??
ok.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:13 AM ET
Gonna have to side with fido on this one fellas..
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:14 AM ET
started the month giving a goal after 22 seconds to TB. 4 goals in the first before being removed. 2 of them weak ones. lost his last 5 starts with a avg of 0.875.

you find that decent??
ok.

- fidopro



never said he didn't give any bad goals, jfc. you're giving examples of a bad game (for the whole team) against TB. it isn't because he's lost games that he wasn't any good, but whatever, it's pretty clear you're biased against him, as you are against MSL loll
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:14 AM ET
Gonna have to side with fido on this one fellas..
- pete26


which part?
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Dec 1 @ 11:14 AM ET
At the time, it made sense.

They wanted to make sure the team's progression wasn't destroyed by bad goaltending. Allen was a way to stabilize the position.

Montembeault improved more than they expected and they now see that Allen wasn't needed, which wasn't obvious when the contract was signed.

- Scabeh

well perso I do not think it made sense. the way to go was to let him play his last year and trade him at the tdl as a pending ufa. then see on the market on July 1st to replace him. I guess we cannot rewrite history, now they are stuck with him, and Monty and Primeau are paying for it.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:14 AM ET
Gonna have to side with fido on this one fellas..
- pete26


oh what a (frank)ing surprise
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:14 AM ET
Gonna have to side with fido on this one fellas..
- pete26

Get a dog if you are looking for loyalty....said the guy who got fired and is no longer a GM
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
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Dec 1 @ 11:15 AM ET
which part?
- deadpoulet


all of it, as long as it says the opposite of what I'm saying.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Dec 1 @ 11:17 AM ET
never said he didn't give any bad goals, jfc. you're giving examples of a bad game (for the whole team) against TB. it isn't because he's lost games that he wasn't any good, but whatever, it's pretty clear you're biased against him, as you are against MSL loll
- Pat1993

I'm not biased againts anyone, I call it as I see it. period. sometimes you like it, more often than not you do not. c'est la vie!
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:17 AM ET
I'm not biased againts anyone, I call it as I see it. period. sometimes you like it, more often than not you do not. c'est la vie!
- fidopro


ok, cool

deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:19 AM ET
all of it, as long as it says the opposite of what I'm saying.
- Pat1993


oh yes...

scabeh makes more sense

I dont hate Allen or anything and I get why they did what they did, something Fido would never admit himself

but I dont want to lose Primeau either cause he might actually have a future in this league

if they decide to keep Allen, he should get way less starts than what he has got so far

Monty is the starter, Primeau should be the back up for now and Allen could get a start on a busy week once in a while
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:23 AM ET
oh yes...

scabeh makes more sense

I dont hate Allen or anything and I get why they did what they did, something Fido would never admit himself

but I dont want to lose Primeau either cause he might actually have a future in this league

if they decide to keep Allen, he should get way less starts than what he has got so far

Monty is the starter, Primeau should be the back up for now and Allen could get a start on a busy week once in a while

- deadpoulet


oh I agree 100% on Primeau, if he might still get picked up then clearly I wouldn't want him to be waived.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
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Dec 1 @ 11:26 AM ET
Gonna have to side with fido on this one fellas..
- pete26


listen to the man, the voice of reason
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