Apart from his bad penalty early in the first period, I thought Frost had a decent game. Offensively, Jarry stopped him at the post in the first period, and made a save on Foerster on a PP chance Frost teed up for him. I didn't mind Frost tipping the puck into the net a second after the second period expired. It's not different than a goalie making a "save" on a shot that clearly arrives after the clock hits 0.0. And if it gets under Pittsburgh's skin, who cares? Wish Frost had MORE of that in him, actually.

Super nice kid -- along with Cates, may be THE nicest guy on the Flyers (of which there are many) -- but I wish sometimes there was a little more sandpaper on the ice.
- Bill Meltzer

Bill, I agree with a lot of what you say here about Frost except one thing; I didn't think he had a decent game at all. Besides the bad penalty and the lost draws, or in some cases being kicked out of the draw before it even happens, Frost is just too weak on the puck. I hardly see him ever win a puck battle, and is he routinely knocked off the puck too easily. I agree that he is probably a super nice kid, but he just does not have any sandpaper to his game. Compare him to Foerster, who has a great shot but does so many other things well, especially the most important thing in hockey, winning puck battles. And at this point, I think Frost is what he is, which is just not good enough.

As Sanheim has come down I actually think York has been better as of late. Always going to be a challenge for this team with no top pair, those matchups these guys are going to have bad nights but Sanheim has been bad for a pretty decent stretch now. Marc staal has absolutely no business in the lineup. Hilarious that people on here keep mentioning his run with Florida. An older player found some gas in the tank and everything seemed to go right for that team at the time. Staal is cooked.
- ClaudeFather

Flyers are playing 3 guys that appear to be cooked - Stall, Couturier and Atkinson. Active 4 with ND, but I not going to beat that dead horse. Sure Couturier looked good when it was 1 on none, after all he was a scoring champ in the Q (or almost), a NO8 OA pick who was projected to #1 for a while.

Sanheim has had a rough couple of weeks. It's mostly subpar play but it's also the pairing is starting to get exposed. Neither Sanheim nor York are legitimate top pairing defenseman. Yet they have to play as the top pair. I thought it would happen sooner in the season than it has but it's an issue moving forward.
- MJL

York is playing very well on both sides of the puck. Sanheim is just playing too many minutes. especially late in games you can see he just doesn't have the legs. I also thought Staal had a really rough game.

It is enjoyable watching the Pens have nothing even close to a Foerster or even a Tip or Farabee.
- wcorvette

That franchise might have to relocate once Sid is done. It’s going to get ugly.

Coots can barely skate out there. Can’t imagine what this looks like in a couple years

I wonder why tippet didn’t get benched for failing to clear leading up to the tying goal? That’s not benching worthy torts? I have no problem with the benching as long as it’s applied fairly
- Just5

I'm so glad you posted this because I have been seeing the same thing. Coots is often behind the play from the opening puck drop, has no acceleration up ice and his passing has been atrocious, leading his passes waaay too much. I wouldn't mind sitting him for a game and letting him recover. I know I have posted this a few times already but I will post it again, there something off with Couts, he is not right.

Frost is a limp noodle out there.
- Just5

As Sanheim has come down I actually think York has been better as of late. Always going to be a challenge for this team with no top pair, those matchups these guys are going to have bad nights but Sanheim has been bad for a pretty decent stretch now. Marc staal has absolutely no business in the lineup. Hilarious that people on here keep mentioning his run with Florida. An older player found some gas in the tank and everything seemed to go right for that team at the time. Staal is cooked.
- ClaudeFather

and as we talked before, york should be given the chance to run the 1st PP unit for a while. he moves the puck well. york imo can be a 1st pair guy but is not "the guy". still young and still time.

Bill, I agree with a lot of what you say here about Frost except one thing; I didn't think he had a decent game at all. Besides the bad penalty and the lost draws, or in some cases being kicked out of the draw before it even happens, Frost is just too weak on the puck. I hardly see him ever win a puck battle, and is he routinely knocked off the puck too easily. I agree that he is probably a super nice kid, but he just does not have any sandpaper to his game. Compare him to Foerster, who has a great shot but does so many other things well, especially the most important thing in hockey, winning puck battles. And at this point, I think Frost is what he is, which is just not good enough.
- jd250

I don’t like seeing him lose battles but I do like how the puck sticks to him. He has good vision and can make something out of nothing. You needs players like that. He is at his best when he’s playing a lot and with better players. Put him where he needs to be and then trade him if you like but don’t sit him so much and demote him. That is good for nothing.

Last season, Frost stepped out of his comfort zone and averaged north of a hit per game. (Look it up if you wish). For the much bigger Foerster to have 17 hits in 22 games doesn't say much (nor does it have to).
- bmeltzer

The team with the most hits is often the team that doesn't have the puck much. IN this game Pittsburgh killed the Flyers in the dot, and kept the Flyers chasing.

Flyers are playing 3 guys that appear to be cooked - Stall, Couturier and Atkinson. Active 4 with ND, but I not going to beat that dead horse. Sure Couturier looked good when it was 1 on none, after all he was a scoring champ in the Q (or almost), a NO8 OA pick who was projected to #1 for a while.
- mr4tno

that draft class was terrible. he is still one of the best to come out of it. am surprised they didn't take dougie as he was d with size

I don’t like seeing him lose battles but I do like how the puck sticks to him. He has good vision and can make something out of nothing. You needs players like that. He is at his best when he’s playing a lot and with better players. Put him where he needs to be and then trade him if you like but don’t sit him so much and demote him. That is good for nothing.
- coffee junkie

The one thing I don't understand is why he is not out there on the 3 on 3 OT. To me 3 on 3 with all that open ice is made for Frost. If Torts is worried about the draws, though last night it didn't matter who was out there, put Couts out there to win the draw and if he does have him get to the bench and get Frost out there.

that draft class was terrible. he is still one of the best to come out of it. am surprised they didn't take dougie as he was d with size
- Peter Richards

Couts has been a very good player, but this year already you can see he is not close to the same player. I think he has another injury he is trying to play through, whether it's his back or a lower body injury.

Watched BC play Northeastern twice this weekend in a home and home (both in Boston of course). Teams split the games. Quiet weekend for Gauthier, with only one assist in the Friday night game. However Gauthier was very noticeable when he was on the ice, playing in the right circle for several one timers on the PP, and also playing the PK effectively. He was Meh on draws both nights. The player that quietly stood out to me was Will Smith. He is not flashy but he is solid in every zone, always makes the right play and is always in the right position. Reminds me a lot of Brian Trottier in that you don't notice him until you do.

Bill, I agree with a lot of what you say here about Frost except one thing; I didn't think he had a decent game at all. Besides the bad penalty and the lost draws, or in some cases being kicked out of the draw before it even happens, Frost is just too weak on the puck. I hardly see him ever win a puck battle, and is he routinely knocked off the puck too easily. I agree that he is probably a super nice kid, but he just does not have any sandpaper to his game. Compare him to Foerster, who has a great shot but does so many other things well, especially the most important thing in hockey, winning puck battles. And at this point, I think Frost is what he is, which is just not good enough.
- jd250

The lost draws: broke even on faceoffs.

Frost creates, including one of Foerster's scoring chances.

50-50 battles aren't the "most important thing in hockey". If they were, Turner Stevenson and Trent Klatt would have been Hall of Famers.

The lost draws: broke even on faceoffs.

Frost creates, including one of Foerster's scoring chances.

50-50 battles aren't the "most important thing in hockey". If they were, Turner Stevenson and Trent Klatt would have been Hall of Famers.
- bmeltzer

Even in open ice. He was less than impressive last night. They need to play the kid though.

The lost draws: broke even on faceoffs.

Frost creates, including one of Foerster's scoring chances.

50-50 battles aren't the "most important thing in hockey". If they were, Turner Stevenson and Trent Klatt would have been Hall of Famers.
- bmeltzer

Frost doesn't create enough IMO to counter the things he does not do well, which I highlighted in my previous post. And I didn't mention Frost has had 3 soft penalties in the past two games. I don't mean to imply I want to sit him, just that so far he is not doing enough good things IMO to be a positive difference maker.

Watched BC play Northeastern twice this weekend in a home and home (both in Boston of course). Teams split the games. Quiet weekend for Gauthier, with only one assist in the Friday night game. However Gauthier was very noticeable when he was on the ice, playing in the right circle for several one timers on the PP, and also playing the PK effectively. He was Meh on draws both nights. The player that quietly stood out to me was Will Smith. He is not flashy but he is solid in every zone, always makes the right play and is always in the right position. Reminds me a lot of Brian Trottier in that you don't notice him until you do.
- jd250

Every time I watched him he’s just a kid with a good shot. Nothing else there

Even in open ice. He was less than impressive last night. They need to play the kid though.
- Just5

All he metrics were positive. He wasn't losing THAT many pucks. As as bottom line things go, he set up a PP scoring chance and had a good ES chance of his own when neither team was generating much of anything.

He was fine.

Every time I watched him he’s just a kid with a good shot. Nothing else there
- Just5

Gauthier is more than just his shot. If he played wing with Smith and Leonard, instead of Perreault, you would see him even more. I really don't like his linemates to be honest.

Bill, I agree with a lot of what you say here about Frost except one thing; I didn't think he had a decent game at all. Besides the bad penalty and the lost draws, or in some cases being kicked out of the draw before it even happens, Frost is just too weak on the puck. I hardly see him ever win a puck battle, and is he routinely knocked off the puck too easily. I agree that he is probably a super nice kid, but he just does not have any sandpaper to his game. Compare him to Foerster, who has a great shot but does so many other things well, especially the most important thing in hockey, winning puck battles. And at this point, I think Frost is what he is, which is just not good enough.
- jd250

Your Frost hate continues...

Wait, Frost, Forester, and Brink all played and they didn’t lose because of a lack of grit? My goodness. Hell has frozen over.
- coffee junkie

They were saved by #44 flying into the benches like The Greatest American Hero

Bill, I agree with a lot of what you say here about Frost except one thing; I didn't think he had a decent game at all. Besides the bad penalty and the lost draws, or in some cases being kicked out of the draw before it even happens, Frost is just too weak on the puck. I hardly see him ever win a puck battle, and is he routinely knocked off the puck too easily. I agree that he is probably a super nice kid, but he just does not have any sandpaper to his game. Compare him to Foerster, who has a great shot but does so many other things well, especially the most important thing in hockey, winning puck battles. And at this point, I think Frost is what he is, which is just not good enough.
- jd250

Well you think he is nothing more than an ahl talent, are on Record saying he needs to be on the scoresheet to stay In the lineup, so you criticizing his play is of no surprise

wonder how many eagles fans will die of a heart attack today

The lost draws: broke even on faceoffs.

Frost creates, including one of Foerster's scoring chances.

50-50 battles aren't the "most important thing in hockey". If they were, Turner Stevenson and Trent Klatt would have been Hall of Famers.
- bmeltzer

Also, Frost broke even on faceoffs because he only took 6 faceoffs the entire game. The majority of the faceoffs went to Couts (21), Laughton (22) and Poehling (15), why do you think that is?

and as we talked before, york should be given the chance to run the 1st PP unit for a while. he moves the puck well. york imo can be a 1st pair guy but is not "the guy". still young and still time.
- Peter Richards

Yup, he has a real knack for the PP. I think he’s more of a second pair guy, a good second pair guy but I could see him supporting a #1. That wouldn’t be ideal but he is still young and should improve .