The story Del Zotto tells about the training staff missing that Voracek had gout is crazy.
- MBFlyerfan

gout is painful stuff...unless you had it peeps have no idea. Either did I until I got it.

Quite the pickle the Pens are in.
- landros 2

Ya hate to see it

Ya hate to see it
- StepfordSam

Dubas, the miracle worker. Made all the right moves and added to the cap hell and moved out draft picks.

The story Del Zotto tells about the training staff missing that Voracek had gout is crazy.
- MBFlyerfan

to be fair, you don't usually expect a young fit person to have gout.

gout is painful stuff...unless you had it peeps have no idea. Either did I until I got it.
- hello it's me 2050

It’s nasty…but now I just load up on Advil at the first sign and avoid the week of hell..

It's similar to Hartnell where Torts doesn't trust him defensively even though Frost's defensive results are better than average.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiTC_o9yM9A&t=210s

In fact, Frost has the lowest ES GA/60 of any Flyer forward this season. Atkinson has the highest, but he's a golden boy vet so he gets a pass from Torts.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Frost - 1.63
Foerster - 2.02
Deslauriers - 2.15
Brink - 2.38
Farabee - 2.58
Poehling - 2.69
Konecny - 2.75
Cates - 2.84
Laughton - 3.08
Hathaway - 3.15
Couturier - 3.34
Tippett - 3.36
Atkinson - 3.98
- Feanor

I’m not doing the Frost debate again. It’s exhausting and we know what his role is. I don’t know the numbers, I just know the players. When Crosby, Malkin and Hughes are in town and on the attack, I just know I’m not in favor of Frost on the ice. I mean I saw almost a decade of Scott Hartnell in his prime in Philly. The guy could barely stand up straight.

disagree on most. Seeler I won't argue.

Guess your definition of thrive and mine differ.
- hello it's me 2050

Sanheim is having a productive offensive season. Konency is by far having his most productive of seasons. Tippett sniffs 30 goals last year. Sean Walker looks pretty good to me and it sounds like other teams have interest.

Nobody in here can deny that they expected this team to be one of the very worst in the league when the season began. This team can absolutely turn on its head at anytime but it’s December and this team is doing well for itself with what little it has to work with.

Konency.
Sanheim.
Seeler.
Tippett.
York seems to have recovered well.
Walker.
- roenick97

I think you can safely add Cates, Foerster, Risto, Seeler, Ersson, Hart and Atkinson

I think you can safely add Cates, Foerster, Risto, Seeler, Ersson, Hart and Atkinson
- jd250

I wouldn’t add Atkinson. I did say Seeler. I think Cates thrived last season but could be experiencing a sophomore jinx.

Dubas, the miracle worker. Made all the right moves and added to the cap hell and moved out draft picks.

- MJL

Yep. And somehow that was hextalls fault to them? They brought gms into a no win situation. We want you to build a cup champ but you can’t move any of the big 3. So spend spend spend draft and prospect capital until this turns into a 10 year rebuild and the league has to bail us out again.

I always said, trade malkin for younger players and picks and surround Sid with more depth via the cap savings. I hate dubas but it was always a no win situation same as it was with hexy. The trade for karlsson was not smart but appeased some in the fan base until now. It’s also not sullivans fault but he’ll be next to go.

Dubas, the miracle worker. Made all the right moves and added to the cap hell and moved out draft picks.

- MJL

defend to the end. amazes me how you defend Ronald.

how long has Dubas been on the job?

It’s nasty…but now I just load up on Advil at the first sign and avoid the week of hell..
- landros 2

haven't had an "attack in 15 years"

Wait a second, are you moving off of your proclamation from the other day that you wouldn't discuss hockey with someone you wouldn't have a beer with? Now here you are attempting to engage with me in a hockey conversation. Sure, I'll name 10, right after you name 10. What a fraud you are.

- MJL

Nope, just like you do I asked you first. Provide links also. I’ll wait.

I think this year he’s had a hand in tightening up the defensive side of the game…so that Hart isn’t being overwhelmed by shots and chances…that’s all a head coach can really ever do for a goalie.
- landros 2

Torts is the face of the team to be honest. He is getting the most out of this roster, and has proven this year that he has changed as a coach, adopting more offensive and aggressive play and living with the mistakes that go with it. Torts himself has stated many times that earlier in his coaching career he would try to control everything, and has realized the flaws in that approach. I think TK is a good example, 10 years ago I doubt TK and Torts would have a good relationship and TK would be thriving under Torts as well as he has. But, Torts is as old school as a coach can be in the modern NHL, he still believes in physical play and standing up for yourself and thus values players like Deslauriers. There are some things in Torts that will never change, but to his credit he has changed quite a bit to adapt to the modern athlete, which at the end of the day is the most important aspect of coaching.

Sanheim is having a productive offensive season. Konency is by far having his most productive of seasons. Tippett sniffs 30 goals last year. Sean Walker looks pretty good to me and it sounds like other teams have interest.

Nobody in here can deny that they expected this team to be one of the very worst in the league when the season began. This team can absolutely turn on its head at anytime but it’s December and this team is doing well for itself with what little it has to work with.
- roenick97

TK was a good player before Torts arrival. He has upped his game though is that due to natural progression? Not thriving imo.

Sanheim also good player before. Had not so good year last season. Hot start this season. Has tailed off a good amount. Not thriving.

Walker was a good dman before the flyers. Still a good dman. Want to give torts some credit fine. Not thriving.

Tippert is not thriving in any way.

York has played better not thriving.

I think you can safely add Cates, Foerster, Risto, Seeler, Ersson, Hart and Atkinson
- jd250

how are the guys you mentioned "thriving"?

gout is painful stuff...unless you had it peeps have no idea. Either did I until I got it.
- hello it's me 2050

Allopurinol to the rescue

TK was a good player before Torts arrival. He has upped his game though is that due to natural progression? Not thriving imo.

Sanheim also good player before. Had not so good year last season. Hot start this season. Has tailed off a good amount. Not thriving.

Walker was a good dman before the flyers. Still a good dman. Want to give torts some credit fine. Not thriving.

Tippert is not thriving in any way.

York has played better not thriving.
- hello it's me 2050

Sanheim was heading in the wrong direction, and I think Torts had a lot to do with Sanheim righting his own ship.

Yep. And somehow that was hextalls fault to them? They brought gms into a no win situation. We want you to build a cup champ but you can’t move any of the big 3. So spend spend spend draft and prospect capital until this turns into a 10 year rebuild and the league has to bail us out again.

I always said, trade malkin for younger players and picks and surround Sid with more depth via the cap savings. I hate dubas but it was always a no win situation same as it was with hexy. The trade for karlsson was not smart but appeased some in the fan base until now. It’s also not sullivans fault but he’ll be next to go.
- Hextall271

Was Ronald a failure during his tenure with the pens? yes or no?

Sanheim was heading in the wrong direction, and I think Torts had a lot to do with Sanheim righting his own ship.
- jd250

so based off 1 down season out of how many, he was headed in the wrong direction? I call BS on that.

Torts wanted him gone in the worst way. Remember?

how are the guys you mentioned "thriving"?
- hello it's me 2050

Cates grew quite a bit as a player last season under Torts, and though he got off to a slow start and is now injured, I look forward to see Cates back at wing and progressing as the year unfolds. Risto and Seeler are playing the best hockey of their careers, maybe not points wise but defensively and consistency. Hart and Ersson are already showing they can be one of the best goaltender duos in the league. Foerster is taking big steps.

That’s because Torts is honest with them. He doesn’t shy away from confrontation if a player is not doing what he’s asked or if a player is not playing to his potential. A lot of players like that black and white atmosphere….guys also know that by doing the right things they will see the ice more and for some that’s not always the case.
- landros 2

I think you nailed it. It’s honesty with the players. You have to believe with young players they probably haven’t been criticized all that much, the ones that make it to the show. Maturity comes with experience, so maybe he’s just showing them how to be a good pro.

TK was a good player before Torts arrival. He has upped his game though is that due to natural progression? Not thriving imo.

Sanheim also good player before. Had not so good year last season. Hot start this season. Has tailed off a good amount. Not thriving.

Walker was a good dman before the flyers. Still a good dman. Want to give torts some credit fine. Not thriving.

Tippert is not thriving in any way.

York has played better not thriving.
- hello it's me 2050

Travis Konency had 1 really good season prior to Torts coming here, which was 2019-20 and during that season he had a lot more support.

Torts is the one who gave Sanheim the green light to be more aggressive offensively, which isn’t what he was doing last year or prior seasons.

Prior to this season I’d never even heard of Sean Walker and neither have the numbers.

Going from barely playing to knocking on the door of 30 goals a season is thriving in my opinion.

The intent of my original post was not criticize frost or his line as a whole, it was to point out that I don’t like how Tippet is playing currently. That was it! In fact I stated at the top that I was not going to criticize Frost! But one sentence is taken out of context and it causes all this. It’s people like you that simply can’t read a post, agree or disagree with it and move on. Nope, let’s dissect every word and turn it into something else entirely. You and MJL must be brothers or something, but whatever you are, you are both sad people!
- jd250

You saying you are a superhero had nothing to do with what you are claiming here. It had to do with you going off on MJL, and how you are on this board to set the story straight and protect the readers from falseties....I threw it out there sarcasticly, and you agreed that you viewed yourself as a superhero....

so based off 1 down season out of how many, he was headed in the wrong direction? I call BS on that.

Torts wanted him gone in the worst way. Remember?
- hello it's me 2050

It wasn't one bad season, Sanheim was not good for at least the past two seasons before this one. The biggest asset for Sanheim is his skating and he was not using it nearly enough, and his biggest liability was his weakness in the corners and the slot area, and his rededication to fitness has addressed this. But the biggest change in Sanheim is his mentality, instead of watching hockey out there, he is making things happen or at least trying to. He is not always successful, but at least he is trying.