I don't think so. The facts are coming out. Kevin Hayes is a loser and is viewed as a loser everywhere he has gone. He was detrimental to the younger Flyers players in the locker room and apparently poisoned Gauthier also. That is why the Flyers paid a heavy price to get rid of him. At the end of the day, the Flyers just obtained a potential top pairing defenseman and PP QB with over 100 NHL games under his belt plus a 2nd round pick for a LW who was a poor center and hasn't played a professional game yet.
- jd250

Ok, so if Gauthier goes on to put up 50 goal seasons in Anahiem, is it still a good trade to you?

You are still discounting Gauthier, his abilities and skills. The Flyers didn't trade a steaming turd today, they traded a bonafide, blue chip prospect for what could be an injury prone dman. Drysdale has played only 18 games since the 21-22 season...that is 18 games in only a season and a hald. he has missed over a 100 games in the last 2 seasons.

You can spin things any way you want to push your point.

I was looking forward to seeing cutter here and expecting he’d be a contributor. Shocked by the trade but he didn’t want to play here so we got something for him that has a chance to be decent.
- Hextall271

It also answered one of my questions I was thinking about earlier today...one of the young forwards would have to be sent out in the next couple years, but who?

Looks like TK getting extended is looking better now.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...heir-own-scouting-reports

Jamie Drysdale, Erie (OHL)
Age: 18 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 175 | Shot: R
Stats: 49 GP, 9 G, 38 A

Anonymous scout on Drysdale: Drysdale has elite mobility. He is an elite skater, can gain zones, moves the puck and provides a lot of offense.

Drysdale: I've been focusing on improving my top-end speed. I generate a lot of speed off of my crossovers. Just from start to stop speed, I can definitely work on that. I just want to be faster in a straight line. I focus a lot of my game on crossovers, edgework, turns and spins, so I just want to fully round out the skating package.

Peters: Drysdale's edge work is special. He creates so much space for himself by just taking that extra second to circle back and escape pressure. You see Vancouver Canucks defenseman Quinn Hughes do that a lot now to great effect, and I think Drysdale is on a similar track. As he admits, though, Drysdale relies a lot on his crossovers and edges, and less on his straight-ahead stride. That's not necessarily a weakness, but if he improves in that area, it will open up a lot more ice for him and allow him to better exploit gaps in the defense to maximize his offensive potential.

Anonymous scout: I don't know if it's going to be Erik Karlsson-type offense, but he might fit more into that secondary offensive group.

Drysdale: I think you're going to see offense. My goal is, I want to be a power-play guy, I want to be a guy to help produce for the team. That's what I want to be at the next level. I'm confident in my style and my play, and it all works. I think it will translate. I just need to take what I have and challenge myself to continue to make a difference on the ice in that offensive role and help be a producer on the back end.



Chris Hartsburg, Erie Otters head coach: The thing that comes up with him a lot is what's his ceiling going to be as a high-end offensive defenseman. He's almost over-the-top responsible because he wants to win so badly. I challenged him earlier in the year to be a difference-maker every time he's on the ice. I didn't want him to fall into the trap of being a safe player. There may have been a few games where he was a little quieter, but there were more where he completely took over the game in the last five or 10 minutes. He's just so competitive and wants to win so badly, he's willing to sacrifice for the team. It may have hurt his offensive totals a little bit because he won't cheat for his points, which a coach has to respect.

Anonymous scout: He has been a household name for a long time and a real good player, but what he did at the [World Junior Championship] was really impressive, especially at his age. He defended well and could really move the puck against top players.

Peters: Drysdale making the World Juniors as an under-ager at 17 years old was no small thing. It just doesn't happen very often -- he was only the fourth under-ager to make the Canadian defensive corps in the past 20 tournaments, and the first since Aaron Ekblad did so in 2014. And the fact he defended as well as he did at that tournament even surprised some of the Hockey Canada staff I spoke with after the tournament. That was a great chance for him to show more of his game, and it ended with a gold medal to boot.

Drysdale: People have always criticized my defensive game, especially last year. First of all, I think it's come a long way from my 16-year-old year. I'm much more confident in it, and I just continue to build off of that. I continue working on it every day. It's not like I'm not confident in my D game, I am confident, but I'll continue to work on it. I think that's one thing that's underrated or people don't realize as much: I think I can be trusted on the back end as well.

Peters: His defending is certainly adequate. He just needs to get stronger and show more consistent detail in his own end.

Hartsburg: I think the biggest thing this season I saw from him was his willingness to challenge guys, physically or not, and just feel more comfortable as a 17-year-old. He had a willingness every night to go up against the best players and compete against them. Doing it at the World Junior stage gave him more confidence.

Drysdale: Going into last year, I wasn't thinking too much about World Juniors, and when I got to camp, I think that's kind of when I thought I could actually compete with these guys. I wanted to show that I could play a different role than I played in Erie. If I wasn't going to be a go-to offensive guy, for myself, I just wanted to show I can be versatile. Being around those guys, the players on the back end, you definitely pick up a few things.



Anonymous scout: For me personally, I'm not sure how high-end his offense is going to be. Is he attractive just for his skating, and are we sure it's going to translate? Or is he going to be more of a secondary scorer? You assume the skating will allow it to translate. He also showed at the [World Juniors] he can play a simple puck-moving game, too.

Peters: This has been one of the hang-ups I've had with Drysdale, too. But I think the shot is there, and he does a nice job of getting pucks through. I think as he gets stronger, he's going to be able to get inside a little bit more. There is some game-breaker potential here. And as his coach notes, he has that competitive edge in him.

Hartsburg: He took some healthy runs at guys this year, which I didn't really expect from him. He just did it. His willingness to show that 'you may think I'm undersized, but my compete level is high and I want to show that night in and night out.' That will never be a strength of his, but it's something he has to do at the next level.


Peters: Drysdale is most likely headed back to Erie for another season in the OHL, where he averaged nearly a point per game last season.

You know, this trade can be looked at positively without the BS drama.
- MJL

Why is this BS drama? It's been documented that Hayes was detrimental to the younger Flyers players. These are all pieces of the puzzle.

Brindley had 4 more goals that Gauthier and only two less points.
- jd250

Why wasn't he voted the best forward in the tournament?

Ok, so if Gauthier goes on to put up 50 goal seasons in Anahiem, is it still a good trade to you?

You are still discounting Gauthier, his abilities and skills. The Flyers didn't trade a steaming turd today, they traded a bonafide, blue chip prospect for what could be an injury prone dman. Drysdale has played only 18 games since the 21-22 season...that is 18 games in only a season and a hald. he has missed over a 100 games in the last 2 seasons.

You can spin things any way you want to push your point.
- TheFreak

Who cares what a player does for another team, it's what the player(s) you got does to help you win that matters.

I still look at the Carter and Richard trades as big wins for the Flyers, but LA got what they wanted...2 cups. I doubt they care about what the players they gave up did.

Briere stated Drysdale is NHL ready and will be in the Flyers lineup. Wondering who will sit? Could another trade happen soon?

Why is this BS drama? It's been documented that Hayes was detrimental to the younger Flyers players. These are all pieces of the puzzle.
- jd250

It's BS drama that Hayes had anything to do with this trade.

Hey, I don't work for the Flyers, I'm not trying to spin anything. If Hayes poisoned the kid, how is that the Flyers fault?
- jd250

yeah blame hayes, flyers spin

Briere stated Drysdale is NHL ready and will be in the Flyers lineup. Wondering who will sit? Could another trade happen soon?
- jd250

You needed Briere to tell you that? He's already played 123 NHL games.

Who cares what a player does for another team, it's what the player(s) you got does to help you win that matters.

I still look at the Carter and Richard trades as big wins for the Flyers, but LA got what they wanted...2 cups. I doubt they care about what the players they gave up did.
- Glak18

My response was to jd250 making it seem like we dumped garbage and got a dman with no warts.

Drysdale could always turn into a Del Zotto...

It's BS drama that Hayes had anything to do with this trade.
- MJL

I think in this case, where there is smoke there could be fire.

Why wasn't he voted the best forward in the tournament?
- MJL

I told you, go ask those who voted. IMO Gauthier was not even the best player on the USA team, which is a trend because he is not the best player on BC either.

It's BS drama that Hayes had anything to do with this trade.
- MJL

Nope, it's all Torts fault!

*puts on tinfoil hat*

It also answered one of my questions I was thinking about earlier today...one of the young forwards would have to be sent out in the next couple years, but who?

Looks like TK getting extended is looking better now.
- Glak18

Just listened to briere and he outlined the whole timeline of this saga. Sounds like he talked to several teams. Also, looks like drysdale was hurt but is healthy now. They are ok with his medical status.

One huge gap for us is on d and I was advocating drafting a lot of d this draft. Hopefully he is a left top 4 who can help this anemic pp. the second should be a high 2nd too which helps take the sting out of this.

Why is this BS drama? It's been documented that Hayes was detrimental to the younger Flyers players. These are all pieces of the puzzle.
- jd250

provide the documentation. It was said by bill that he was liked in the room and no issues.

torts didn't like him from ump street. He created this false narrative.

Does this mean GMDB lied to the fans back in training camp with his story and cover for Cutter wasn’t at the prospect camp? A new era of Orange?
- mikeyo27

omg a GM that isnt totall honest?

Briere stated Drysdale is NHL ready and will be in the Flyers lineup. Wondering who will sit? Could another trade happen soon?
- jd250

I think they’re gonna have a tough time deciding who comes out. They may even have to break up pairs.

My response was to jd250 making it seem like we dumped garbage and got a dman with no warts.

Drysdale could always turn into a Del Zotto...
- TheFreak

Well we better keep an eye on the local OF girls to make sure that doesn't happen.

Briere stated Drysdale is NHL ready and will be in the Flyers lineup. Wondering who will sit? Could another trade happen soon?
- jd250

well don has been in the nhl the last few years, so a silly thing to say if he said that.

My response was to jd250 making it seem like we dumped garbage and got a dman with no warts.

Drysdale could always turn into a Del Zotto...
- TheFreak

It’s still possible that we lost this trade badly but brieres hand was forced.

Sanheim-Drysdale
York-Ristolainen
Seeler-Walker

Half the fanbase has a meltdown

You needed Briere to tell you that? He's already played 123 NHL games.
- MJL

why are you trolling? The question is, is there a trade coming and who gets traded? I say Walker is the guy who is traded to make room for Drysdale.

Just listened to briere and he outlined the whole timeline of this saga. Sounds like he talked to several teams. Also, looks like drysdale was hurt but is healthy now. They are ok with his medical status.

One huge gap for us is on d and I was advocating drafting a lot of d this draft. Hopefully he is a left top 4 who can help this anemic pp. the second should be a high 2nd too which helps take the sting out of this.
- Hextall271

Well depending how the Flyers finish off the season and where players fall, maybe the Flyers grab a skilled guy like Trevor Connelly and still get another Dman like Mews or Kiviharju to stockpile.

Briere confirms Gauthier told them he didn't want to play for the Flyers last May after the World Championships.
- MBFlyerfan

If that’s true, that would be a shame they then drafted Bonk. Could have had our guy Gabe Perreault.