They will certainly be the epitome of a "top heavy" lineup. Marner will most likely command over 12aav.
- MBFlyerfan

very shocked they have not changed coaches at this point. he aitn the guy for the job

very shocked they have not changed coaches at this point. he aitn the guy for the job
- hello it's me 2050

unless a new coach can bring that team some heart, its not the coach

Who is wasting their time thinking about Nicolas Aube-Kubel? I forgot he existed.
- roenick97

Hahaha for real. It's like arguing with your neighbor over who has the better garbage.

unless a new coach can bring that team some heart, its not the coach
- 26912 PP1

coach is part of the issue no doubt. dont think heart is the issue.


hart could be the solution.

Nylander gets 8 years at 11.5aav.

I wonder what Marner will get when they resign him?
- MBFlyerfan

Tavares' next deal will shed a few mill. Unfortunately that won't be until the 2025-26 season. Leafs will be biting the bullet next season.

Ya gotta figure Marner is at least asking for 12? I have no clue how they'll make it work. Isn't Matthews getting 13 next year?

Tavares' next deal will shed a few mill. Unfortunately that won't be until the 2025-26 season. Leafs will be biting the bullet next season.

Ya gotta figure Marner is at least asking for 12? I have no clue how they'll make it work. Isn't Matthews getting 13 next year?
- Pelle31Forever

need a GM who can find undervalued player for 2 million or less.

Also need to make sure you do not pay your 4th line and bottom d pair no more than 1.3 per year. That is easily doable. Obviously need contributions from players on their ELC.

Having that much tied up in 4 fwd is odd. Need on of those studs to be a dman.

coach is part of the issue no doubt. dont think heart is the issue.


hart could be the solution.
- hello it's me 2050

well done

same lineup tonight, 1st line better have their track suits on

same lineup tonight, 1st line better have their track suits on
- wcorvette

Making my yearly visit to the Wells Fargo tonight so I am sure coots is going to turn the clock back and be all world

Nylander gets 8 years at 11.5aav.

I wonder what Marner will get when they resign him?
- MBFlyerfan

I see that. Crazy. I have read it's a full NTC as well. JT comes off the books after next year but they may still need to trade Marner if they want to fill out the roster. The just refuse to spend any assets or money on defense. So crazy to me that these guys get paid immensely when they have won 1 round of playoffs in their time here.

Making my yearly visit to the Wells Fargo tonight so I am sure coots is going to turn the clock back and be all world
- stayinthefnnet

He has been great all year so don’t take it personal tonight. He is the biggest reason Flyers are where they are.

I see that. Crazy. I have read it's a full NTC as well. JT comes off the books after next year but they may still need to trade Marner if they want to fill out the roster. The just refuse to spend any assets or money on defense. So crazy to me that these guys get paid immensely when they have won 1 round of playoffs in their time here.
- Hextall271

I love the signing as a Flyer fan. Just gives everyone more fodder to make fun of the Leafs when they ultimately choke in the playoffs year after year. The whole organization is a complete how to not to build a winning team...and that's coming from a fan of THIS organization.

The point is to build a winning TEAM, not one that does great in fantasy leagues.

I love the signing as a Flyer fan. Just gives everyone more fodder to make fun of the Leafs when they ultimately choke in the playoffs year after year. The whole organization is a complete how to not to build a winning team...and that's coming from a fan of THIS organization.

The point is to build a winning TEAM, not one that does great in fantasy leagues.
- Glak18

I look at Vegas last year and what great depth they had. They do have star players and a very good d corp, but it's not a roster of 2 or 3 or 4 superstars and a bunch of scrubs. The leafs don't have a strong d and will not be able to have sufficient depth to win IMO

I love the signing as a Flyer fan. Just gives everyone more fodder to make fun of the Leafs when they ultimately choke in the playoffs year after year. The whole organization is a complete how to not to build a winning team...and that's coming from a fan of THIS organization.

The point is to build a winning TEAM, not one that does great in fantasy leagues.
- Glak18

A large part of building a winning team is to have elite players. The Leafs have been fortunate enough to arguably draft 3 elite forwards. What would you have done different with the Nylander situation? Not re-sign him? Trade him? The issue is not the signing of elite players, it's building depth and a quality defense. Having 3 elite level forwards is a good start. They just haven't been able to build around them.

A large part of building a winning team is to have elite players. The Leafs have been fortunate enough to arguably draft 3 elite forwards. What would you have done different with the Nylander situation? Not re-sign him? Trade him? The issue is not the signing of elite players, it's building depth and a quality defense. Having 3 elite level forwards is a good start. They just haven't been able to build around them.
- MJL

I think the issue is that they are overpaying these "elite" players who tend to disappear come playoff time. Having 4 forwards tying up what? 45 mil of your 87 mil cap to me is crazy especially with their collective track record. Further, you have Reilley at 7.5, paying him like a top dman although he isn't. If you could trade Nylander in a package for a stud dman like Makar would you do it? I certainly would.

If their plan is to pay all these guys for Regular season success, then more power to them, but the way they structure the team, they are limited in ability to fill out a roster which could support these players.

A large part of building a winning team is to have elite players. The Leafs have been fortunate enough to arguably draft 3 elite forwards. What would you have done different with the Nylander situation? Not re-sign him? Trade him? The issue is not the signing of elite players, it's building depth and a quality defense. Having 3 elite level forwards is a good start. They just haven't been able to build around them.
- MJL

I agree having elite players is probably the toughest thing to get, in any sport, but knowing how to manage them and working around them is just as important. The NHL is a bit of a different beast because they have to deal with cap management more so than other sports. It's not the fact they have elite players or how many they have, it really is the fact they use so much cap space on the few and they just don't have enough "bang for the buck" players to compensate for them.

End of the day the individuals will get the points that will justify their paycheck, but they won't get the wins when it counts.

I think the issue is that they are overpaying these "elite" players who tend to disappear come playoff time. Having 4 forwards tying up what? 45 mil of your 87 mil cap to me is crazy especially with their collective track record. Further, you have Reilley at 7.5, paying him like a top dman although he isn't. If you could trade Nylander in a package for a stud dman like Makar would you do it? I certainly would.

If their plan is to pay all these guys for Regular season success, then more power to them, but the way they structure the team, they are limited in ability to fill out a roster which could support these players.
- Hextall271

I think those elite players would disappear far less if they had a better all around team. When you get to the playoffs, it's the best against the best. It takes more than just top players. This issue isn't those player, it's the other players in my opinion. Top defenseman make a lot more than 7.5M. That's not that expensive for a defenseman. His cap hit puts him 23rd in the league among defenseman. Of course I would trade Nylander for a player like Makar. The only issue that a team with the "Makar" isn't going to do it. They have to draft that player. That's now tough for them without a high draft pick. Again, I'll ask, what would anyone have done with Nylander in this situation? Let him walk?

I agree having elite players is probably the toughest thing to get, in any sport, but knowing how to manage them and working around them is just as important. The NHL is a bit of a different beast because they have to deal with cap management more so than other sports. It's not the fact they have elite players or how many they have, it really is the fact they use so much cap space on the few and they just don't have enough "bang for the buck" players to compensate for them.

End of the day the individuals will get the points that will justify their paycheck, but they won't get the wins when it counts.
- Glak18

We all know that but again, in this situation, what should the Leafs have done differently? In their position, they had to re-sign him.

He has been great all year so don’t take it personal tonight. He is the biggest reason Flyers are where they are.
- StepfordSam

He really has. I’ve been waiting for some of your team to fall back to earth a little bit but if he’s healthy, he’s a horse. Can debate the contract and merits of it in relation to team building and organization direction until you’re blue in the face, but when he’s on the ice he’s positively impacting every game

I think the issue is that they are overpaying these "elite" players who tend to disappear come playoff time. Having 4 forwards tying up what? 45 mil of your 87 mil cap to me is crazy especially with their collective track record. Further, you have Reilley at 7.5, paying him like a top dman although he isn't. If you could trade Nylander in a package for a stud dman like Makar would you do it? I certainly would.

If their plan is to pay all these guys for Regular season success, then more power to them, but the way they structure the team, they are limited in ability to fill out a roster which could support these players.
- Hextall271

Agreed. Its the over payment. Chicago had to do it with their big three and were never the same. Edmonton will have to pay Draisaital soon, they will not be any closer to the cup after they do.

As a Flyers fan I Crosby but the way he never took a large contract so they could build around him is just great move.

I think those elite players would disappear far less if they had a better all around team. When you get to the playoffs, it's the best against the best. It takes more than just top players. This issue isn't those player, it's the other players in my opinion. Top defenseman make a lot more than 7.5M. That's not that expensive for a defenseman. His cap hit puts him 23rd in the league among defenseman. Of course I would trade Nylander for a player like Makar. The only issue that a team with the "Makar" isn't going to do it. They have to draft that player. That's now tough for them without a high draft pick. Again, I'll ask, what would anyone have done with Nylander in this situation? Let him walk?
- MJL

I also agree that one of their elites should of been traded, but also believe they are responsible for putting themselves in the position of having few options. Obviously you could let him walk and use that cap space, but it's not guaranteed you will get what is needed without overpaying.

As for Nylander, I look at TK in a similar way. You DO NOT wait until the final year unless you know you can get the assets that make up for what is being lost. Nylander now, with a NTC, is absolutely unmovable now...he is a Leaf for the next 9 years unless there's a huge compromise on the Leafs end.

This signing says to me that everyone making decisions think the team they have RIGHT NOW is good enough.

I think those elite players would disappear far less if they had a better all around team. When you get to the playoffs, it's the best against the best. It takes more than just top players. This issue isn't those player, it's the other players in my opinion. Top defenseman make a lot more than 7.5M. That's not that expensive for a defenseman. His cap hit puts him 23rd in the league among defenseman. Of course I would trade Nylander for a player like Makar. The only issue that a team with the "Makar" isn't going to do it. They have to draft that player. That's now tough for them without a high draft pick. Again, I'll ask, what would anyone have done with Nylander in this situation? Let him walk?
- MJL

Do you think Reilley is the 23rd best dman in the league or does he produce a lot of points because he plays with those forwards. I don't think he's worth that at all. Regardless, the 4 plus he account for somewhere in the neighborhood of 51 mil of the cap. Absurd. My point exactly is that they are overpaying these guys for minimal return in the playoffs and can't afford to fill out the roster properly as you mention is the requirement. The roster construction is fatally flawed.

need a GM who can find undervalued player for 2 million or less.

Also need to make sure you do not pay your 4th line and bottom d pair no more than 1.3 per year. That is easily doable. Obviously need contributions from players on their ELC.

Having that much tied up in 4 fwd is odd. Need on of those studs to be a dman.
- hello it's me 2050

Still haven't factored in the goalie. Unless Woll becomes their savior.

Agreed. Its the over payment. Chicago had to do it with their big three and were never the same. Edmonton will have to pay Draisaital soon, they will not be any closer to the cup after they do.

As a Flyers fan I Crosby but the way he never took a large contract so they could build around him is just great move.
- WhiskeyMan

To me, the difference with Chicago is that those core players delivered 3 cups. I am ok to pay them within reason although they should have cut bait earlier it appears. The Leafs are massively paying 4 or 5 guys eating up 51 mil of the 87 cap for reg season success. They've won one round in total. They can't afford to fill out a roster that's needed for depth to win in the playoffs. It's ludicrous.

need a GM who can find undervalued player for 2 million or less.

Also need to make sure you do not pay your 4th line and bottom d pair no more than 1.3 per year. That is easily doable. Obviously need contributions from players on their ELC.

Having that much tied up in 4 fwd is odd. Need on of those studs to be a dman.
- hello it's me 2050

I personally think that the idea is to out score all the issues on the back end. Minimal investment on d without a true stud back there and pray for one of their bargain goalies to get hot. I mean, Samsonov won their only series and he's now in the A. Just onto the next guy and pray.