And I mean no disrespect to Gagne. But it’s true.
- hereticpride

Imagine if Cutter stays in college then becomes a UFA...

Verbeek would go full "Little Ball of Hate"

Bill or anyone else,

Would Anaheim get compensated as if that was their pick? #5 in the 2nd round?

Because they were there to watch the tournament. You keep trying to paint it as disrespectful for an NHL team to try and attempt to talk to a player that they hold the draft rights to. Now you're calling it ignorant. That doesn't hold water. The Flyers have to protect their rights. If they really want the player, they have to exhaust all possibilities and chances. Not just give up. You're not being reasonable at all here, sorry.
- MJL

I keep seeing that they flew to Sweden to talk to him..if they were in Sweden already, they have less to be pissed about in my opinion. If he had already cut off communication, and by all accounts he had, then expecting him to talk is unrealistic.

There is A LOT of unknowns here...I don't take the Flyers for their word, as they admit lying about Gauthier to the everyone.

Gauthier cut off all communication...what caused that? That is the real question in this discussion.

We can’t be too pissed at Cutter. I mean, first of all, we all seemed to love that Michkov reportedly told several other teams not to draft him because he wanted to be a Flyer. This generation of players has more of a choice and they flex their muscle. We got Drysdale now and that’s a huge plus. If you look at the Ducks fans reaction, they are bummed Birdbeak traded Drysdale. We have a star in the making with this kid and JD and MM will bring a Cup to Philly.

Positive waves people. Positive waves.

We can’t be too pissed at Cutter. I mean, first of all, we all seemed to love that Michkov reportedly told several other teams not to draft him because he wanted to be a Flyer. This generation of players has more of a choice and they flex their muscle. We got Drysdale now and that’s a huge plus. If you look at the Ducks fans reaction, they are bummed Birdbeak traded Drysdale. We have a star in the making with this kid and JD and MM will bring a Cup to Philly.

Positive waves people. Positive waves.
- mikeyo27

I keep seeing that they flew to Sweden to talk to him..if they were in Sweden already, they have less to be pissed about in my opinion. If he had already cut off communication, and by all accounts he had, then expecting him to talk is unrealistic.

There is A LOT of unknowns here...I don't take the Flyers for their word, as they admit lying about Gauthier to the everyone.

Gauthier cut off all communication...what caused that? That is the real question in this discussion.
- TheFreak

Honestly, it's the first time I ever heard a team being labeled as disrespectful and ignorant for trying to talk to a player they drafted. At this point, I really don't care why.

We can’t be too pissed at Cutter. I mean, first of all, we all seemed to love that Michkov reportedly told several other teams not to draft him because he wanted to be a Flyer. This generation of players has more of a choice and they flex their muscle. We got Drysdale now and that’s a huge plus. If you look at the Ducks fans reaction, they are bummed Birdbeak traded Drysdale. We have a star in the making with this kid and JD and MM will bring a Cup to Philly.

Positive waves people. Positive waves.
- mikeyo27

I'm excited to add a talent like Drysdale. The Flyers are in desperate need of a dynamic puck moving defenseman. He's young and I'm sure there are going to be warts. May not be the best coach for that kind of player. Hope they have patience and he doesn't turn out to be Tony Angelo Jr.

Honestly, it's the first time I ever heard a team being labeled as disrespectful and ignorant for trying to talk to a player they drafted. At this point, I really don't care why.
- MJL

I just don't see what Briere or the Flyers gain from saying that about Cutter other than blowing off frustration. They don't have to justify getting low value, which would make sense to blame him for that, but they got a quality young defenseman AND a 2nd. Danny sold on the best possible time if there ever was one.

LOL:

Imin Cognito
@Leftofcentre14
Poor Drysdale got reverse Fresh Prince

LOL:

Imin Cognito
@Leftofcentre14
Poor Drysdale got reverse Fresh Prince
- Pixote Andolini

JD is gonna be among the Flyers Pantheon when his career is done. This kid has the goods. Give him some time to acclimate and just let his talent take over. He should have a “C” or and “A” on his chest before too long. We added a bona fire talent to our roster.

Come and listen to story all about how his life got flipped upside down… let him tell you all about how he became the Prince of a town of Brotherly love.

Anyone know how the 25 draft is shaping up? Better than this years?

I can see your skepticism and it is valid, maybe Flyers got another sour egg, but if he's in the lineup soon I don't think it's based on injuries. Maybe Ducks and Flyers discussed this deal before Drysdale was injured too, but the Flyers waited until he got back in the lineup. Drysdale is 21 too, that's really young for a dman. How many years did it take Hedman to break out? Dahlin? And those guys were top picks.
- Glak18

Yeah that’s absolutely true. I wanted jiricec at 5 if he was there and not happy they took cutter initially.

But grew to kinda like cutter shot and all. I’m not sour on drysdale at all. I guess can just simply look at it as drysdale and a 2nd instead of jiricec. Which probably is fine and decent chance actually better. Who knows.

What agitated me is the cover up and nonsense story of this timeline. None of it makes any sense. It’s like the narrative being pushed and now the puppets coming out to somehow twist the story from philly side.

Players don’t just not want to play for a team. Something went down. And the bs with cg not in camp and the excuses made back then don’t line up with narrative now.

That right there alone tells me Philly is lying. For what reasons back then or now is just strange.

Most likely some blame all around on all sides and unfortunate. It probably won’t look good on cg but probably worse on philly in the end.

For awhile at least until players settle in from trade.

Drysdale has missed over 100 games between last year and this year due to injury. He has played in only 18 of 121 Anaheim has played
- TheFreak

True. But those games missed due to injury were developement games missed. I’m not down on drysdale at all. He should be good. Possibly really really good. We shall see I hope he is. Could be decent trade for both teams in end.

It’s just a strange strange trade at a strange time. And I don’t believe Philly or their puppets because makes no sense. Simply from what we know was said of cg not being in camp and now the twist story. Doesn’t jive with they said back then. Pattern of deception

Yeah that’s absolutely true. I wanted jiricec at 5 if he was there and not happy they took cutter initially.

But grew to kinda like cutter shot and all. I’m not sour on drysdale at all. I guess can just simply look at it as drysdale and a 2nd instead of jiricec. Which probably is fine and decent chance actually better. Who knows.

What agitated me is the cover up and nonsense story of this timeline. None of it makes any sense. It’s like the narrative being pushed and now the puppets coming out to somehow twist the story from philly side.

Players don’t just not want to play for a team. Something went down. And the bs with cg not in camp and the excuses made back then don’t line up with narrative now.

That right there alone tells me Philly is lying. For what reasons back then or now is just strange.

Most likely some blame all around on all sides and unfortunate. It probably won’t look good on cg but probably worse on philly in the end.

For awhile at least until players settle in from trade.
- Stayin alive

I agree with this take.

Yeah that’s absolutely true. I wanted jiricec at 5 if he was there and not happy they took cutter initially.

But grew to kinda like cutter shot and all. I’m not sour on drysdale at all. I guess can just simply look at it as drysdale and a 2nd instead of jiricec. Which probably is fine and decent chance actually better. Who knows.

What agitated me is the cover up and nonsense story of this timeline. None of it makes any sense. It’s like the narrative being pushed and now the puppets coming out to somehow twist the story from philly side.

Players don’t just not want to play for a team. Something went down. And the bs with cg not in camp and the excuses made back then don’t line up with narrative now.

That right there alone tells me Philly is lying. For what reasons back then or now is just strange.

Most likely some blame all around on all sides and unfortunate. It probably won’t look good on cg but probably worse on philly in the end.

For awhile at least until players settle in from trade.
- Stayin alive

Briere is on the record saying the eligibility story was a cover to benefit Gauthier and give him the opportunity to change his mind. Also consider this: what benefit is it to Briere and the new management to lie about this after they’ve promised a new era and more transparency with the fans. It could very well have come down to this kid changed his mind, which left the team in a tough spot and they had to manage this delicately from a hockey ops and pr standpoint. This was a very difficult situation to navigate for a brand new GM. I think you’re reading way too much into this.

All for kids using any leverage they have and not automatically swearing fealty to the teams that draft them... but if Danny is to be believed Cutter just basically ghosted them... that's kinda sus on his part.
- Tomahawk

I’m not for any of that. Do away with the draft then because it’s completely pointless.

Yeah that’s absolutely true. I wanted jiricec at 5 if he was there and not happy they took cutter initially.

But grew to kinda like cutter shot and all. I’m not sour on drysdale at all. I guess can just simply look at it as drysdale and a 2nd instead of jiricec. Which probably is fine and decent chance actually better. Who knows.

What agitated me is the cover up and nonsense story of this timeline. None of it makes any sense. It’s like the narrative being pushed and now the puppets coming out to somehow twist the story from philly side.

Players don’t just not want to play for a team. Something went down. And the bs with cg not in camp and the excuses made back then don’t line up with narrative now.

That right there alone tells me Philly is lying. For what reasons back then or now is just strange.

Most likely some blame all around on all sides and unfortunate. It probably won’t look good on cg but probably worse on philly in the end.

For awhile at least until players settle in from trade.
- Stayin alive

Someone very likely got in his ear. Prospects don’t just turn on franchises like this. There isn’t really a whole bunch the Flyers could’ve even done to him at this stage to annoy him this much.

We know some former players here did not like Torts. Personally I see that being foolish if that’s what fueled Cutter’s decision. Torts might not even be the coach here 3-4 years down the line. Right now though there isn’t much else to go off of. Maybe Hak made him outlandish promises before getting canned and Jonesy and Briere weren’t having it.

I don’t know how much we’ll ever get out of Cutter’s camp. To be honest he made his bed and and now he gets to sleep in it. Whoever told him to blow off a Philadelphia sports franchise clearly gave him bad info. This city does not forget.

Honestly, it's the first time I ever heard a team being labeled as disrespectful and ignorant for trying to talk to a player they drafted. At this point, I really don't care why.
- MJL

Honestly I’m leaning toward cg wanted to turn pro.
Philly said no. Go back to college
Cg got pissed and broke off talks
At which point just go through agent. Don’t bother player during jr tournament.

Blame on all sides

I’m not for any of that. Do away with the draft then because it’s completely pointless.
- Flyers1218

This is my brother’s favourite beer-induced argument:

With a hard salary cap, do you really need a draft to ensure parity?

Honestly I’m leaning toward cg wanted to turn pro.
Philly said no. Go back to college
Cg got pissed and broke off talks
At which point just go through agent. Don’t bother player during jr tournament.

Blame on all sides
- Stayin alive

Why commit to college then? Flyers were trying to get a hold of him for a while. Not just suddenly at the tournament.

Something tells me this kid’s agent is a complete numb skull to advise him to cut off all contact. Hopefully they don’t represent many other players.

EDIT apparently this agent represents Shane Wright too. Yeah, I’m leaning towards this agent being a dumb ass.

“Hey, our top 5 pick who hasn’t played a second of NHL hockey is already trying to call the shots before cutting us off entirely, are you interested?” I can see why a lot of teams weren’t interested.

Kids got Lindros personality with Gagne talent.
- hereticpride

yea... i loved lindros but he needed to tell his dad to (frank) off

Have the Flyers had a top 4 RHD since Desjardins? I really cannot think of one. Luke Schenn does not count. 😀
- Trox88

oh please eric desjrdins is my favorite D man drysdale will be good but i would love it if he sniffed desjardins legacy

Why commit to college then? Flyers were trying to get a hold of him for a while. Not just suddenly at the tournament.

Something tells me this kid’s agent is a complete numb skull to advise him to cut off all contact. Hopefully they don’t represent many other players.

EDIT apparently this agent represents Shane Wright too. Yeah, I’m leaning towards this agent being a dumb ass.
- hereticpride

wright isn't looking as good as projected https://dobberprospects.com/player/shane-wright/

Why commit to college then? Flyers were trying to get a hold of him for a while. Not just suddenly at the tournament.

Something tells me this kid’s agent is a complete numb skull to advise him to cut off all contact. Hopefully they don’t represent many other players.

EDIT apparently this agent represents Shane Wright too. Yeah, I’m leaning towards this agent being a dumb ass.
- hereticpride

I think kinda what happened was cg wanted to turn pro after 1 year college…

Philly balked and wanted him to stay in college another season pissing him off…


Then philly wanted him at center…. Possibly pissing him off more and being last straw….


He’s not playing center in Anaheim obviously and sure they know that.

I think probably he said (frank) this I’m not dealing with this and add torts in mix with how everyone sees how frost is dealt with and that’s just more fuel to not even talk to Philly anymore

Players don’t just drop total communication. He clearly thinks and probably is ready for nhl as a winger.

I think team denied him turning pro and he just said I’m out.

Then looking at how torts right or wrong with frost etc he just said no communication needed. (frank) it

Someone very likely got in his ear. Prospects don’t just turn on franchises like this. There isn’t really a whole bunch the Flyers could’ve even done to him at this stage to annoy him this much.

We know some former players here did not like Torts. Personally I see that being foolish if that’s what fueled Cutter’s decision. Torts might not even be the coach here 3-4 years down the line. Right now though there isn’t much else to go off of. Maybe Hak made him outlandish promises before getting canned and Jonesy and Briere weren’t having it.

I don’t know how much we’ll ever get out of Cutter’s camp. To be honest he made his bed and and now he gets to sleep in it. Whoever told him to blow off a Philadelphia sports franchise clearly gave him bad info. This city does not forget.
- hereticpride

Except he wanted to turn pro after last year college season ended. Philly denied him.
And yes torts is under contract for this season and 2 more.

If cg wanted to turn pro last year and definitely after college season in a few months it’s very possible he was already pissed philly denied him turning pro and he see
S he has to deal with torts for 2 years. Plus sees how frost has been yanked around and simply said yeah I’m not dealing with this I’m a top 5 pick who clearly any team would want why deal with this crap

I have little doubt after seeing torts press after game and gmdb saying they have had no communication last few months that torts treatment of frost plays a factor in this.

Torts saying he doesn’t know cutter from a hole in the wall and doesn’t want to talk about him only drysdale with snark clearly shows something is there.

That timeline matches up perfectly. Since it was a
few months ago frost really getting Richarded around and cg completely shutting down communication.

That screams last straw to me