I don't know but can't be much. The Leafs only scored 10 goals in 5 games. Obviously not enough.
- MJL

so you cherry picked numbers to support your argument?

Crosby took less money in 2008 so Pitt could pay players like Malkin and Stall when they were do for extensions. So yes his contract did do Pitt favors. And it still helping them today with a low cap hit.

But I bow to the all knowing hockey god who knows all!
- WhiskeyMan

LMAO, no he didn't. His salary was 12M in the first year of the deal! Back in 13/14. As I posted, in contrast, today, almost 12 years later. Only 7 players have a higher salary than that. It's helping them today with a lower cap hit because the rules were different. The same rules were used with players like Toews and Kane, and many others. Most of those deals now have all expired. The league changed the cap rules because of it. The salary cap was 27M lower when the deal was signed then it is now. Do the math and what the percentage of the cap that 12M was back then compared to now. It was a massive deal and Crosby didn't take less money to help the Pens. The cap actually dropped 6% the year Crosby signed his deal.

LMAO, no he didn't. His salary was 12M in the first year of the deal! Back in 13/14. As I posted, in contrast, today, almost 12 years later. Only 7 players have a higher salary than that. It's helping them today with a lower cap hit because the rules were different. The same rules were used with players like Toews and Kane, and many others. Most of those deals now have all expired. The league changed the cap rules because of it. The salary cap was 27M lower when the deal was signed then it is now. Do the math and what the percentage of the cap that 12M was back then compared to now. It was a massive deal and Crosby didn't take less money to help the Pens. The cap actually dropped 6% the year Crosby signed his deal.
- MJL

He had stated 2008...


STANDARD CONTRACT (EXTENSION)
SIGNED BY: Ray Shero
LENGTH: 5 years
VALUE: $43,500,000
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
CAP % Tooltip: 17.30
SIGNING TEAM: Logo of the Pittsburgh PenguinsPittsburgh Penguins
SIGNING DATE: Jul. 7, 2007
SOURCE: CapGeek
Sidney Crosby signed a 5 year, $43,500,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins on Jul. 7, 2007. The contract has a cap hit of $8,700,000.

His next contract:
STANDARD CONTRACT (EXTENSION)
SIGNED BY: Ray Shero
LENGTH: 12 years
VALUE: $104,400,000
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
CAP % Tooltip: 14.50
SIGNING TEAM: Logo of the Pittsburgh PenguinsPittsburgh Penguins
SIGNING DATE: Jul. 1, 2012
SOURCE: CapGeek
Sidney Crosby signed a 12 year, $104,400,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins on Jul. 1, 2012. The contract has a cap hit of $8,700,000.

He made $46.9 million over the first 4 years of the contract ..$12 million per for the first 3.

He had stated 2008...


STANDARD CONTRACT (EXTENSION)
SIGNED BY: Ray Shero
LENGTH: 5 years
VALUE: $43,500,000
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
CAP % Tooltip: 17.30
SIGNING TEAM: Logo of the Pittsburgh PenguinsPittsburgh Penguins
SIGNING DATE: Jul. 7, 2007
SOURCE: CapGeek
Sidney Crosby signed a 5 year, $43,500,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins on Jul. 7, 2007. The contract has a cap hit of $8,700,000.

His next contract:
STANDARD CONTRACT (EXTENSION)
SIGNED BY: Ray Shero
LENGTH: 12 years
VALUE: $104,400,000
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
CAP % Tooltip: 14.50
SIGNING TEAM: Logo of the Pittsburgh PenguinsPittsburgh Penguins
SIGNING DATE: Jul. 1, 2012
SOURCE: CapGeek
Sidney Crosby signed a 12 year, $104,400,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins on Jul. 1, 2012. The contract has a cap hit of $8,700,000.

He made $46.9 million over the first 4 years of the contract ..$12 million per for the frst 3.
- TheFreak

His post said it's still helping them today.

In 2008, Crosby's base salary was 9M, again a big number and his AAV was 8.7M and the deal was 17.30% of the cap at the time. That deal was a higher percentage of the cap then his current deal is. Still no indication of Crosby taking less to help the Pens.

His post said it's still helping them today.

In 2008, Crosby's base salary was 9M, again a big number and his AAV was 8.7M and the deal was 17.30% of the cap at the time. That deal was a higher percentage of the cap then his current deal is. Still no indication of Crosby taking less to help the Pens.
- MJL

But wasn't Crosby worth more than $8.7 per back then if Weber and Suter both had huge deals in the low teens I believe. Ovi made $9.5 that year, and Eric Staal made $8.25, and Brad Richards made $7.8.

Seems he left money on the table.

I think the point is, he could have demanded the highest salary in the league, and he didn't. His cap hit has been $8.7 million for over 15 years. The longer deal he signed for over $104 million, he had a lower salary % for the 12 years than his prior contract, which was at 17.30% as you stated, but dropped down to $14.50% on the 12 year contract. That does help.

But wasn't Crosby worth more than $8.7 per back then if Weber and Suter both had huge deals in the low teens I believe.

I think the point is, he could have demanded the highest salary in the league, and he didn't. His cap hit has been $8.7 million for over 15 years. The longer deal he signed for over $104 million, he had a lower salary % for the 12 years than his prior contract, which was at 17.30% as you stated, but dropped down to $14.50% on the 12 year contract. That does help.
- TheFreak

In 2008, Shea Weber had a cap hit of 4.5M and a base salary of 4.5M. In 2008, Crosby had an AAV of 8.7M and a base salary of 9M

There has never been a player in the history of the salary who has signed for max salary. Again, the reason why the percentage dropped down in the 12 year contract is because GM's found a loophole and put in back diving years to lower the AAV. That didn't have anything to do with Crosby taking less to help the team out. It was about the ability to structure contracts in a certain manner. That loophole has been closed. Same as term limits added.

In 2008, Shea Weber had a cap hit of 4.5M and a base salary of 4.5M. In 2008, Crosby had an AAV of 8.7M and a base salary of 9M
- MJL

I thought Weber signed his contract in that time period. I see he signed it in 2012....

I thought Weber signed his contract in that time period. I see he signed it in 2012....
- TheFreak

There were so many games being played with contracts back then. GM's and teams were finding so many loopholes to find creative ways to get around the salary cap. Have to be very careful when making comparisons. Differences in the rules, terms, bridge deals versus long term deals, etc. RFA's versus UFA deals. Still much of the cap not understood by many.

A large part of building a winning team is to have elite players. The Leafs have been fortunate enough to arguably draft 3 elite forwards. What would you have done different with the Nylander situation? Not re-sign him? Trade him? The issue is not the signing of elite players, it's building depth and a quality defense. Having 3 elite level forwards is a good start. They just haven't been able to build around them.
- MJL

It's hard to build around 3 elite players that you have to pay $11M+ per season.

wish they had a caffeine free coke zero.

It's hard to build around 3 elite players that you have to pay $11M+ per season.
- jd250

It certainly is but many teams are going to have to do it.

When Cates comes back, I would revisit the line where Frost centers Cates and Tippett.

They seemed to click pretty well when they were together in the past.
- MBFlyerfan

Brink may be sent to LHV for more playing time and to get his game back together. I don't remember which podcast I heard that on but it might relighr a fire under him and let him go dominate the AHL for a few weeks to regain confodence.
Honestly, maybe I have missed things, but even though he hasn't been scoring I seem to remember him making quite a few nice defensive plays??

I see that. Crazy. I have read it's a full NTC as well. JT comes off the books after next year but they may still need to trade Marner if they want to fill out the roster. The just refuse to spend any assets or money on defense. So crazy to me that these guys get paid immensely when they have won 1 round of playoffs in their time here.
- Hextall271

I'd let JT go long before marner, but that's just my opinion.
Does JT have a NMC or NTC? If not, that's who I'd shop around... but thats just me 😁

I'd let JT go long before marner, but that's just my opinion.
Does JT have a NMC or NTC? If not, that's who I'd shop around... but thats just me 😁
- Bob Habib

I agree. marner has a nmc according to cap friendly. Issue to me is that JT is a ufa after next year. My bet is that they just let him walk. I can’t see him resigning unless it’s for the minimum. Next year is going to be tight unless they unload JT.

I'd let JT go long before marner, but that's just my opinion.
Does JT have a NMC or NTC? If not, that's who I'd shop around... but thats just me 😁
- Bob Habib

As would everyone else in the hockey world lol

trade TK and get the 2024 version of desjardans and leclair.

Brink may be sent to LHV for more playing time and to get his game back together. I don't remember which podcast I heard that on but it might relighr a fire under him and let him go dominate the AHL for a few weeks to regain confodence.
Honestly, maybe I have missed things, but even though he hasn't been scoring I seem to remember him making quite a few nice defensive plays??
- Bob Habib

In my opinion, he has proven he can play in the NHL. I don't see any sign that Brink remaining with the Flyers is becoming detrimental to his development. There are going to be ups and downs and ebbs and flows. Let him learn to play through it at the NHL level. Let him learn to handle the grind of an NHL season. If they send him down, it will be just another example of how the Flyers don't have any patience.

Brink may be sent to LHV for more playing time and to get his game back together. I don't remember which podcast I heard that on but it might relighr a fire under him and let him go dominate the AHL for a few weeks to regain confodence.
Honestly, maybe I have missed things, but even though he hasn't been scoring I seem to remember him making quite a few nice defensive plays??
- Bob Habib

In my opinion, he has proven he can play in the NHL. I don't see any sign that Brink remaining with the Flyers is becoming detrimental to his development. There are going to be ups and downs and ebbs and flows. Let him learn to play through it at the NHL level. Let him learn to handle the grind of an NHL season. If they send him down, it will be just another example of how the Flyers don't have any patience. We need a coach who is going to give young players consistent ice time with consistent linemates.

First of all, a player can't be re-signed to a new contract until he is in the final year of his current deal. I don't think it means they think they're good enough now. It's an 8 year deal. It means they see him as a long term building block and part of the core moving forward.
- MJL

The point being, actually thinking out of the box, the implication is the team thinks about their options and what they would like to do before that season comes.

Right now and even last year, the Flyers SHOULD be thinking whether TK is the right choice to keep for their team going forward. Now this has nothing to do whether they like him or if they think he's good. Does he fit their future? I'm assuming here, but my guess is, even when Fletcher was GM, they have entertained offers for TK. Maybe they liked them, maybe not. Whether the media or the fans know what the plan is doesn't matter, the Flyers should know already. The other side is whether TK and camp want to do. Obviously the Flyers should know roughly where they sit by now, whether that is price point, years, testing the waters, etc.

We both know things happen behind the scenes that don't get reported or are privy to, but sitting on the outside if TK goes into his final year still on the team then clearly the team wants to re-sign him. That's where the risk takes place...the team either has to sign the player more on the players terms or you trade them and the possibility of less value returned, depending on the GM of course.

Personally I don't think Toronto had any intention at all trading Nylander, which I think is a mistake unless they have a better plan I don't see.

trade TK and get the 2024 version of desjardans and leclair.
- hello it's me 2050

Make it the 1995 version and it's a deal

Make it the 1995 version and it's a deal
- bmeltzer

I need the kicker to make it work...gimme Gilbert too.

Make it the 1995 version and it's a deal
- bmeltzer

ha, 2 guys of that ilk who fit the 1995 profile. Whoever that may be.

Bill:

1. whats more likely - they re-sign both walker and seeler or they trade them? In your opinion.

2. What would you do with TK?

3. do you see them trading a 3rd or so to bring in a vet or whatnot?

The point being, actually thinking out of the box, the implication is the team thinks about their options and what they would like to do before that season comes.

Right now and even last year, the Flyers SHOULD be thinking whether TK is the right choice to keep for their team going forward. Now this has nothing to do whether they like him or if they think he's good. Does he fit their future? I'm assuming here, but my guess is, even when Fletcher was GM, they have entertained offers for TK. Maybe they liked them, maybe not. Whether the media or the fans know what the plan is doesn't matter, the Flyers should know already. The other side is whether TK and camp want to do. Obviously the Flyers should know roughly where they sit by now, whether that is price point, years, testing the waters, etc.

We both know things happen behind the scenes that don't get reported or are privy to, but sitting on the outside if TK goes into his final year still on the team then clearly the team wants to re-sign him. That's where the risk takes place...the team either has to sign the player more on the players terms or you trade them and the possibility of less value returned, depending on the GM of course.

Personally I don't think Toronto had any intention at all trading Nylander, which I think is a mistake unless they have a better plan I don't see.
- Glak18

I agree that the Flyers have a decision to make with many variables to it. I think when you're talking about trading an elite player, which Nylander is growing into, it's difficult to find a trade that makes sense. Unless you want to go with quantity over quality. Especially when your biggest need is defense and the kind of player they need isn't moved very often. Even if you'd be willing to trade a player, you aren't just going to let him walk if you can't find the right deal.

I agree that the Flyers have a decision to make with many variables to it. I think when you're talking about trading an elite player, which Nylander is growing into, it's difficult to find a trade that makes sense. Unless you want to go with quantity over quality. Especially when your biggest need is defense and the kind of player they need isn't moved very often. Even if you'd be willing to trade a player, you aren't just going to let him walk if you can't find the right deal.
- MJL

Unfortunately trading an elite player and receiving one back is pretty tough to do, but if a GM is savvy enough they can get the pieces that makes the team better, even though they give up the best player.

Update: And this is why I believe Toronto will falter for years to come because they are unwilling to make the team better. You may disagree by saying how can a team be better by losing an elite player, but well rounded tends to do better in the playoffs.

That was easy