Side note… obviously players close to flyers know somewhat what’s going on….

Did this possibly play into one of the factors of cg not wanting to sign in Philly? Just another log on the fire to stay away from?

Side note… obviously players close to flyers know somewhat what’s going on….

Did this possibly play into one of the factors of cg not wanting to sign in Philly? Just another log on the fire to stay away from?
- Stayin alive

I would say that one is a stretch.

i just hope hart's contract can be terminated
- 2Real

He’s an rfa after this season.

I would say that one is a stretch.
- MBFlyerfan

Fomenton has been placed on leave as well by his Swiss team.

Let’s reserve conclusions until such time as we learn the actual facts. Are these guys being charged? If so then with what? What are the actual allegations? The proofs? Have they been charged by the police or have they been indicted by a grand jury? Of course these are American System questions as I don’t know Canadian criminal law and procedure, but one would presume they are at least somewhat similar. The point is, until you know, you don’t know. Let’s assume it’s a sexual assault charge similar to those in America. Is there proof beyond what the alleged victim says? Is it corroborated? Did the defendants talk and say the same things or different things? Is there video or audio? Is the victim credible (that question usually isnt found out until trial and at least in America the alleged victim must take the stand because there is this pesky 6th Amendment that gives the right to confront one’s accuser). Is there the same right of confrontation in Canada? Generally in the U.S., in such cases the victim being forced to testify in a public courtroom is a factor when the prosecutor considers how to prosecute and whether to go to trial or enter some type of plea agreement or dismiss. There are so many variables that are far from known at this point. Please be careful about making conclusions about the alleged victim and the defendants until you know the facts.

danny is doing an amazing job for a "rookie GM"

He’s an rfa after this season.
- Hextall271

yea but might give us more flexibility at the TDL

Let’s reserve conclusions until such time as we learn the actual facts. Are these guys being charged? If so then with what? What are the actual allegations? The proofs? Have they been charged by the police or have they been indicted by a grand jury? Of course these are American System questions as I don’t know Canadian criminal law and procedure, but one would presume they are at least somewhat similar. The point is, until you know, you don’t know. Let’s assume it’s a sexual assault charge similar to those in America. Is there proof beyond what the alleged victim says? Is it corroborated? Did the defendants talk and say the same things or different things? Is there video or audio? Is the victim credible (that question is usually isnt found out until trial and at least in America the alleged victim must take the stand because there is this pesky 6th Amendment that gives the right to confront one’s accuser). Is there the same right of confrontation in Canada? Generally in the U.S., in such cases the victim being forced to testify in a public courtroom is a factor when the prosecutor considers how to prosecute and whether to go to trial or enter some type of plead agreement or dismiss. There are so many variables that are far from known at this point. Please be careful about making conclusions about the alleged victim and the defendants until you know the facts.
- mikeyo27

Lots of factors yes but I think what’s happening is they have to surrender to be finger printed etc and formally charged with sexual assault. I think they are free without bail but can’t leave the country. They’ll be suspended by the nhl but not sure if paid or not. The court case I suspect could take up to two years before it happens. Regardless, I’d say all their careers are over even if for some reason they are found not guilty. No one will sign them with this black mark. I guess that settles whether or not to re sign hart. He’ll be off the cap.

i just hope hart's contract can be terminated
- 2Real

Were the Kings able to do anything with Voynov’s contract or were they forced to eat it? I forget.

Let’s reserve conclusions until such time as we learn the actual facts. Are these guys being charged? If so then with what? What are the actual allegations? The proofs? Have they been charged by the police or have they been indicted by a grand jury? Of course these are American System questions as I don’t know Canadian criminal law and procedure, but one would presume they are at least somewhat similar. The point is, until you know, you don’t know. Let’s assume it’s a sexual assault charge similar to those in America. Is there proof beyond what the alleged victim says? Is it corroborated? Did the defendants talk and say the same things or different things? Is there video or audio? Is the victim credible (that question usually isnt found out until trial and at least in America the alleged victim must take the stand because there is this pesky 6th Amendment that gives the right to confront one’s accuser). Is there the same right of confrontation in Canada? Generally in the U.S., in such cases the victim being forced to testify in a public courtroom is a factor when the prosecutor considers how to prosecute and whether to go to trial or enter some type of plea agreement or dismiss. There are so many variables that are far from known at this point. Please be careful about making conclusions about the alleged victim and the defendants until you know the facts.
- mikeyo27

Trial by public opinion is already happening. Guilty until proven innocent.

yea but might give us more flexibility at the TDL
- 2Real

I don’t think the can void the contract until he’s found guilty but I could be wrong.

Trial by public opinion is already happening. Guilty until proven innocent.
- MBFlyerfan

That’s very much how it works now.

I don’t think the can void the contract until he’s found guilty but I could be wrong.
- Hextall271

Ask Corey Perry how it works.

Lots of factors yes but I think what’s happening is they have to surrender to be finger printed etc and formally charged with sexual assault. I think they are free without bail but can’t leave the country. They’ll be suspended by the nhl but not sure if paid or not. The court case I suspect could take up to two years before it happens. Regardless, I’d say all their careers are over even if for some reason they are found not guilty. No one will sign them with this black mark. I guess that settles whether or not to re sign hart. He’ll be off the cap.
- Hextall271

Well he’s not coming back any time soon at all then.

Go Errson, Go.

Well he’s not coming back any time soon at all then.

Go Errson, Go.
- hereticpride

The issue I have is we can’t play ersson every game. Starting either of the other two is a guaranteed loss. Zero depth now.

I am not going to speculate but it doesn't look good. I remember reading about Hart being cleared in this investigation. Maybe not officially cleared, but his story/alibi was confirmed by other members of the team. I honestly felt like he was free and clear. Not sure if every team member has been asked to "circle the wagons" and be there for support, but I assume the 5 names will become clear shortly.

Original report had 8 members participating in the assault. I assume police can only prove guilt of 5.

Crazy stuff.

Well he’s not coming back any time soon at all then.

Go Errson, Go.
- hereticpride

i didn't want to pay hart 6 mil any way

Trial by public opinion is already happening. Guilty until proven innocent.
- MBFlyerfan

The writings on the wall dude. Those guys will all have their day in court but come on. At this point they aren’t arresting people unless there is solid reason to.

The issue I have is we can’t play ersson every game. Starting either of the other two is a guaranteed loss. Zero depth now.
- Hextall271

Cal Petersen? Not great but he is still an "NHL goalie".

The issue I have is we can’t play ersson every game. Starting either of the other two is a guaranteed loss. Zero depth now.
- Hextall271

One word. Cal Peterson.

:-)

Trial by public opinion is already happening. Guilty until proven innocent.
- MBFlyerfan

It's wrong to say he's guilty of a crime. But at the moment, it's pretty good odds that he's one of the 5 people that are going to be arrested based on the information available. Until #6 takes a leave of absence from their team for "personal reasons".

Trial by public opinion is already happening. Guilty until proven innocent.
- MBFlyerfan

You participated in this yesterday

The issue I have is we can’t play ersson every game. Starting either of the other two is a guaranteed loss. Zero depth now.
- Hextall271

Depth goalie for a mid round pick. Someone is always available.

The writings on the wall dude. Those guys will all have their day in court but come on. At this point they aren’t arresting people unless there is solid reason to.
- hereticpride

there must have been a reason why the flyers drafted so many goalies

So I have a question that I’ve thought since this story came out years ago and how it affects the players currently in nhl…. Now that we clearly see the LIKELY 5 players involved in some sort. And assuming that they are the players involved.

The knee jerk reaction ranges from ban them from nhl to whatever.

What if the scenario goes something like this…. Which I know I don’t have the facts for sure but from all reports I think very well might have been what might’ve went down. I’ll list this and see if it changes scenario of players involved

1)girl agrees to do only certain sexual things with players ( this seems obvious what these are I don’t need to explain but probably not involving intecourse )

2) things get out of control and she makes complaint with police but doesn’t really push issue too far? This makes me believe it wasn’t all the players but probably 1 that went to far. As her not really wanting to push it to far

3) settlement agreed to and no charges. If it was just 1/5 players that went to far probably victim and police don’t want to hang the other 4 players.

4)I find it strange (assuming the players taking leave ) are in nhl but 1 left nhl with promising career when investigation reopened into hockey Canada.

5) I think it was formenton that did whatever he did to go to far and the other 4 probably did or got from girl what was agreed to so to speak. Maybe all were there the whole time maybe not? Maybe just some?

Either way does this change how the 4 current players taking leave proceed with nhl career? So say hart got a blowie as others but formenton did whatever and hart and others just followed what intial police investigation and victim said to do are they somewhat in the clear? If they are all charged because they were there because actions of 1 does this affect things?

I’m just curious how other fans would react to something like this. I find it hard to believe all 5 players took it too far. I would think victim would push hard for charges if that were the case. From reports of what happened that doesn’t seem to be what happened.