Assuming he’s guilty I wouldn’t want him back personally.

I’m not even sure the league would approve taking these guys back any time soon honestly.
- hereticpride

If any of these players are proven guilty of such vile crimes they deserve prison time. Also, if they were 17 at the time, are they being charged as juveniles, subject to waiver to adult court (assuming Canada as liberal as it is has robust juvenile justice laws protecting and rehabilitating people under 18). Here, regardless of the date of the charges, if alleged to be committed by juveniles they would be charged as juveniles and go through a process of waiver to adult, and in some IS jurisdictions depending on the allegations, age, and specific laws, there are procedural requirement to charges alleged offenders under 18 as adults. Does anyone know what Canadas laws are in that respect?

I can see 1 player being charged heavily and 4 being charged with some sort of after the fact charge. Knowing but not reporting type charge or something along those lines.

I can see those 4 players make statements along the lines made a mistake in youth and handles situation badly and learned lesson type pr move. Cleared to resume careers.
- Stayin alive

in Russia

Even if found not guilty, the league will unofficially blacklist them. They'll have to play in the KHL.
- Hextall271

Probably depends on the extent of the behavior of each individual. Talent right or wrong gets many chances in pro sports

Idk. Vick was allowed back? And Philly too? Different times tho. Pre woke times.

Not that it’s right or wrong
- Stayin alive

Alleged gang rape has nothing to with anyone being “woke”.

Unless you think that sort of behavior is somehow forgivable.

For what it’s worth

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/just/11.html

Some info about some juvenile Canadian law and procedure. This could have a significant influence on how the case is handled as well.

I assume everyone saw this:

https://www.tsn.ca/hockey...-canada-assault-1.1895563
- anti-lame

It talks about M.M. Mike McLeod?

you know who hasn't taken a leave yet? Makar... just saying

vick went to jail and didn't go back to his original team
- 2Real

Yeah I know. But philly took him on. Could player involved wind up in different nhl cities?

in Russia
- 2Real

They’re not playing again in the bbl at this day and age.

Yeah I know. But philly took him on. Could player involved wind up in different nhl cities?
- Stayin alive

probably not in this case

Yeah I know. But philly took him on. Could player involved wind up in different nhl cities?
- Stayin alive

I doubt it. It is a different world we live in now. I doubt Vick would have ever played again if those same events happened today.

They’re not playing again in the bbl at this day and age.
- Hextall271

I disagree. They could play. Or they could also have played their last NHL games.

only team i can see taking hart is chicago since they like rapsists

I think the saddest part of this whole situation as it’s been reported is it’s very easy to happen and surely does often. 17 year olds. Alcohol. Girl maybe pressured into situation not fully comfortable with. This played out at hotel. Could’ve been a house or any number of locations and happens frequently. Thinking back to my own youth many many many situations could’ve went different ways when alcohol was involved and frankly some did. Maybe not to this extent but there were times when shall we say there were more than a few people engaging in sexual activity and all it would’ve taken was 1 person to be or even claim to be somewhat not comfortable to be put in life altering circumstances. poop for all I know maybe that actually happened and to this day don’t even know it.

Just wild to think about it actually

ok, so let's have a discussion...how can you say this? There has never been anything like this before in the history of NHL player contracts.Most of the players are 25-26...I can't see teams walking away and being ok with it. If Colorado lost Makar, who was part of the team, you don't think they would want at least a token draft pick?

None of the players involved where signed yet, So they did this before signing their contracts. Does that change the contract termination? Does the NHL make an exception for this? There is just so much unknown to this whole situation.
If London Police had enough to charge 6 players due to videos and pics on phones, testimony, statements, etc, then the NHL should have enough. But can the NHL realease anything and suspend anyone involved without charges, and why haven't the charges happened?

If you, me and 6 friends gang banged a drunk woman in a hotel room, video recorded it, sent pics out, etc...would it take almost a decade for charges to be laid? Nope..it would be a couple of months at best, and we would be already part way through our sentence by now.

Some things just don't add up.
- TheFreak

There have been plenty of situations where a player has gotten into legal trouble and been suspended and terminated. In my opinion, teams are not going to receive compensation.

I’m assuming player 1 was hart. That she intially had sex with. Her description of him appearing sweet screams hart.
- Stayin alive

thought the same thing. Also would add up with the previous rumors that he was in the room but didn’t participate (albeit in the later act with the group - he might have just been in the background eating chicken wings) but I’m still suspicious of the kid who immediately fled the country

I think the saddest part of this whole situation as it’s been reported is it’s very easy to happen and surely does often. 17 year olds. Alcohol. Girl maybe pressured into situation not fully comfortable with. This played out at hotel. Could’ve been a house or any number of locations and happens frequently. Thinking back to my own youth many many many situations could’ve went different ways when alcohol was involved and frankly some did. Maybe not to this extent but there were times when shall we say there were more than a few people engaging in sexual activity and all it would’ve taken was 1 person to be or even claim to be somewhat not comfortable to be put in life altering circumstances. poop for all I know maybe that actually happened and to this day don’t even know it.

Just wild to think about it actually
- Stayin alive

maybe youth sports needs to take these situations much more seriously?

All he needed was ample minutes and linemates to start finishing chances off. He's been the best forward at creating chances the entire season and now that process is turning into production. All those people who laughed about expected points are eating their hats now (or in some cases, doubling down on stupid).
- Tomahawk

He also needs Tortorella to stop screwing around with him.

The Sens pretty much cut ties with Formenton asap. I think Hart being under contract at the time saved him until now. It's the watchers in the room too that might get called to talk.

It talks about M.M. Mike McLeod?
- Hextall271

I read that as someone older/higher up like a trainer or coach but that certainly is interesting.

Let’s reserve conclusions until such time as we learn the actual facts. Are these guys being charged? If so then with what? What are the actual allegations? The proofs? Have they been charged by the police or have they been indicted by a grand jury? Of course these are American System questions as I don’t know Canadian criminal law and procedure, but one would presume they are at least somewhat similar. The point is, until you know, you don’t know. Let’s assume it’s a sexual assault charge similar to those in America. Is there proof beyond what the alleged victim says? Is it corroborated? Did the defendants talk and say the same things or different things? Is there video or audio? Is the victim credible (that question usually isnt found out until trial and at least in America the alleged victim must take the stand because there is this pesky 6th Amendment that gives the right to confront one’s accuser). Is there the same right of confrontation in Canada? Generally in the U.S., in such cases the victim being forced to testify in a public courtroom is a factor when the prosecutor considers how to prosecute and whether to go to trial or enter some type of plea agreement or dismiss. There are so many variables that are far from known at this point. Please be careful about making conclusions about the alleged victim and the defendants until you know the facts.
- mikeyo27

Well said!! Bravo!!

Too many keyboard warriors throwing out speculative and defamatory accusations at players without knowing the facts!

With this being such an awful day, some positive news. Michkov back on the ice playing

I’m assuming player 1 was hart. That she intially had sex with. Her description of him appearing sweet screams hart.
- Stayin alive

Oh god. I was thinking it was fomenton.

Not true. You can’t go back in time. Before contract signed. Is it moral to steal? So terminate a contract because a video comes out a player stole a candy bar when they were 8 years old?
- Stayin alive

If he is being arrested for it now, yes.

Alleged gang rape has nothing to with anyone being “woke”.

Unless you think that sort of behavior is somehow forgivable.
- hereticpride

We don’t fully know what happened. According to reports victim is on camera saying she was willing? Also reports to willing to just certain things? Was this clear gang rape? Was it regret after the fact? Some degree of both? We simply might never know. Or it might all come out.

It seems more likely this wasn’t clear gang rape. This reeks of alcohol in teenagers making bad decisions and situation going way to far.

The “woke” of it is simply labeling it as some gang rape without context. When I think of gang rape I certainly don’t think about not considering the whole situation. I in no way would ever condone gang rape. And if it comes out that victim was CLEAR she didn’t want sex beyond player 1 or was forced to stay etc etc etc then yes that’s gang rape and not woke. I simply don’t think that’s what happpened here. And I’m not saying she wasn’t raped or assaulted either. It’s a strange situation but 1 that easily can be believed. From either side actually.