carter and Richards?

- wcorvette

They played one playoff run with the Phantoms.

Then Frost needs to learn to show up consistently each and every shift. You will call this fantasy but to me Frost's biggest problem is he is not noticable every shift he plays, and that is the number 1 reason he is seeing 14 minutes a night, and only 11 minutes 5v5. It's also the reason Poehling gets 18 minutes, and TK got over 20 minutes last night.
- jd250

Is it really? Do you have any stats or factual information to show that? I have some factual information for you

Frost P/60 1.9 CF% 51.21 GF% 63.16 xGF% 56.85 SCF% 54.77 HDCF% 59.2
Poehling P/60 1.34 CF% 46.49 GF% 35.14 xGF% 49.50 SCF% 48.01 HDCF% 50

Here is what I notice. Your ability to notice anything in the sport of hockey. Is non-existent. Poehling is being overplayed by Tortorella and should not be getting more minutes at 5 on 5 over Frost. Frost is easily the superior player.

Fans are always quick to blame drafting but when ALL of your tweeners never seem to develop into anything that's gotta start falling on development at the AHL level.

(Cates is lucky he never had to play a single game for the Phantoms)

This team desperately needs some Phantom tweeners to start blossoming into Marchessaults, Slavins and Buntings.
- Tomahawk

Are you talking about Jaccob Slavin who played all of 14 games in the AHL?

If you look at the stats, the majority of top 4 defensemen and top 6 forwards in the NHL play under a seasons worth of games in the AHL. If the player is under 20 and is physically immature sometimes they will play longer but for the most part Marchessaults and Bunting are anomalies. Guys you spend a lot of time in the AHL usually end up as bottom of the roster types.

I'll post this again from the other thread to explain it to you.

The NHL season is 82 games long and it is a brutal grind. The Flyers in order to compete, have been playing at a playoff level of intensity since the beginning of the season. They need to in order to compete. The Flyers players instinctively know that they can't keep that up all season. They ran out of gas before the all star break. They aren't good enough to play without that level of intensity. So they coasted. Top teams due to their higher quality of players and talent, can play structured hockey without playoff level intensity and still play at a high level. The Flyers can't.
It's not that I don't recognize the difference between the two situations, as you asininely state. It's that I recognize and understand why the Flyers played as they did after getting up 4-0. They're hoping to survive the regular season with some gas in the tank for the stretch. Here endeth the lesson.
- MJL

no one expects the Flyers to win the cup this year... or even go far in the playoffs - if they make the playoffs at all.

It wouldn't matter to you if they came within one win of the Cup - you'll come back and say "I told you they just didn't have the talent and they will burn out" and you'll say you knew it all along just so you can say you were right.

but here's the thing. that's not really the "hot take" you think it is every year there are 31 other teams that "didn't have enough talent to get it done" or "burned themselves out playing hard every night" so you repeating ad nauseum they "won't have what it takes to keep it going" isn't your "hockey knowledge" schooling everyone - this is a very obvious and high-percentage prediction.

like, no sh!t...

oh, and the Flyers didn't let off the gas thinking "we better leave some energy for the rest of the games this season" - that doesn't even come into play here. at all.

He still looks like he is adjusting to how The Flyers play their zone as compared to the man to man the Ducks played. He has to unlearn what was probably automatic to him the last few years and learn to think differently on the ice.

You can see the skill. And he drew a penalty because of that. (not that it matters with this PP)
- MBFlyerfan

you can see the skill and ability, hope he stays healthy and builds his game.

They played one playoff run with the Phantoms.
- MBFlyerfan

and that was enough

I'll post this again from the other thread to explain it to you.

The NHL season is 82 games long and it is a brutal grind. The Flyers in order to compete, have been playing at a playoff level of intensity since the beginning of the season. They need to in order to compete. The Flyers players instinctively know that they can't keep that up all season. They ran out of gas before the all star break. They aren't good enough to play without that level of intensity. So they coasted. Top teams due to their higher quality of players and talent, can play structured hockey without playoff level intensity and still play at a high level. The Flyers can't.
It's not that I don't recognize the difference between the two situations, as you asininely state. It's that I recognize and understand why the Flyers played as they did after getting up 4-0. They're hoping to survive the regular season with some gas in the tank for the stretch. Here endeth the lesson.
- MJL

This is kind of a dumb take if you ask me (I know you didn't). I mean, you really think the players in game were thinking we better take our foot off the gas to save some energy for the rest of the season? I certainly don't think a hockey player's mind works that way in game! They got comfy with a big lead and took their foot off the pedal, and were lucky that they didn't get burned (thanks to the outstanding play between the pipes).

I'll post this again from the other thread to explain it to you.

The NHL season is 82 games long and it is a brutal grind. The Flyers in order to compete, have been playing at a playoff level of intensity since the beginning of the season. They need to in order to compete. The Flyers players instinctively know that they can't keep that up all season. They ran out of gas before the all star break. They aren't good enough to play without that level of intensity. So they coasted. Top teams due to their higher quality of players and talent, can play structured hockey without playoff level intensity and still play at a high level. The Flyers can't.
It's not that I don't recognize the difference between the two situations, as you asininely state. It's that I recognize and understand why the Flyers played as they did after getting up 4-0. They're hoping to survive the regular season with some gas in the tank for the stretch. Here endeth the lesson.
- MJL

Whoa, whoa...hold up there...not too long ago you told someone it was inappropriate to post from another thread. So as to avoid confusion, is it only ok if you post from another thread? Practice what you preach.

carter and Richards?

- wcorvette

They were top prospects.

Other teams occasionally develop their AHL tweeners into productive players. The Flyers haven't had a single one in over three decades.

Whoa, whoa...hold up there...not too long ago you told someone it was inappropriate to post from another thread. So as to avoid confusion, is it only ok if you post from another thread? Practice what you preach.

- Don Nachbaur

Only he can do it. All others are stains.

They were top prospects.

Other teams occasionally develop their AHL tweeners into productive players. The Flyers haven't had a single one in over three decades.
- Tomahawk

lindblom before cancer?

randy jones, freddy meyer, darrel powe. there's been a couple 4th line players, but the didn't develop into top line players. bunnie, nak,

This is kind of a dumb take if you ask me (I know you didn't). I mean, you really think the players in game were thinking we better take our foot off the gas to save some energy for the rest of the season? I certainly don't think a hockey player's mind works that way in game! They got comfy with a big lead and took their foot off the pedal, and were lucky that they didn't get burned (thanks to the outstanding play between the pipes).
- Phillywhiteout

You didn't ask me but your reply here is asinine. Yes, without a doubt, after getting up 4-0, they as a team took their foot off the gas and coasted the rest of the game. They were lucky they didn't get burned but they know as a team, that they can't play with playoff intensity for the rest of the season and have gas in the tank for the stretch of the regular season. They will burn out. This team has expended a huge amount of energy to this point in the season.

Whoa, whoa...hold up there...not too long ago you told someone it was inappropriate to post from another thread. So as to avoid confusion, is it only ok if you post from another thread? Practice what you preach.

- Don Nachbaur

You're a moron. I'm posting MY post from another thread. Not moving another posters post to another thread.

You didn't ask me but your reply here is asinine. Yes, without a doubt, after getting up 4-0, they as a team took their foot off the gas and coasted the rest of the game. They were lucky they didn't get burned but they know as a team, that they can't play with playoff intensity for the rest of the season and have gas in the tank for the stretch of the regular season. They will burn out. This team has expended a huge amount of energy to this point in the season.
- MJL

In what way is it asinine? You think they had a players only meeting on the bench when they got up 4-0 and said that's slow it down now to make sure that we have energy for the stretch run? Eh what?

They were top prospects.

Other teams occasionally develop their AHL tweeners into productive players. The Flyers haven't had a single one in over three decades.
- Tomahawk

is there data on that? We know the popular names but what is the % of players taking later in the draft and becoming a top 6 lock?

In what way is it asinine? You think they had a players only meeting on the bench when they got up 4-0 and said that's slow it down now to make sure that we have energy for the stretch run? Eh what?

- Phillywhiteout

Proving my point. Thank you.

is there data on that? We know the popular names but what is the % of players taking later in the draft and becoming a top 6 lock?
- wcorvette

lindblom before cancer?

randy jones, freddy meyer, darrel powe. there's been a couple 4th line players, but the didn't develop into top line players. bunnie, nak,
- Peter Richards

That's a pretty embarrassing list of replacement-level talent right there.

- Wingdestroyer

Also, this came from a post/article explaining how draft picks are over-valued.

Frost needs to work on the goal celebrations.
- mickel25

Torts agrees with this. And that's why Frosty will be scratched the next 3 games.

Does is seem Pitt has the easy schedule, they played the least games coming into AS break and now a lite schedule after, I mean if I could pick a schedule for an older team, it would be lite schedule early, then play bulk of games down the stretch. Maybe I am wrong.

That's a pretty embarrassing list of replacement-level talent right there.
- Tomahawk

Well…for some clubs I’m sure their first rounders have an easier time turning into bottom 6 contributors if they don’t hit their ceiling (like Laughton)….unfortunately for the Flyers, they have had a bunch over the last decade that didn’t even pan out at all.

Rubstov
Patrick
O’Brien

The Flyers development team didn’t hinder them

They played one playoff run with the Phantoms.
- MBFlyerfan

I went to a couple of those PO games and it was clear that Carter and Richards were a cut above all the other players on the team.

Frost needs to work on the goal celebrations.
- mickel25

He will, with more icetime 🧊 ⏲️

Torts agrees with this. And that's why Frosty will be scratched the next 3 games.
- Letterkenney

Honestly, that would be hysterical.