Honestly, that would be hysterical.
- mickel25

What's hysterical is the fact that there could be more than a grain of truth to that with Torts calling the shots.

Friedman on 32TP: "I believe the Flyers and Konecny are talking about this extension, I believe they've made it a priority and they're going to try and get it done. It's going to be a big number"

Proving my point. Thank you.
- MJL

Ran out of track didn't you? You look silly , but try to paint someone else in that slot. Too bad it doesn't work for you, but nice try.

Well…for some clubs I’m sure their first rounders have an easier time turning into bottom 6 contributors if they don’t hit their ceiling (like Laughton)….unfortunately for the Flyers, they have had a bunch over the last decade that didn’t even pan out at all.

Rubstov
Patrick
O’Brien

The Flyers development team didn’t hinder them
- Wingdestroyer

Not really talking about 1st-round picks tho. Talking about mid/late-round tweeners who get coached up, given time and get turned into legit NHL contributors.

Like think all the players that came out of the Syracuse/Norfolk pipeline for Tampa over the years: Colton, Killorn, Perbix, Cirelli, Gudas, Panik, Joseph, Palat, etc.

You could say that Tampa just found gems in the draft. But they also had good coaches like Cooper and Groulx in the AHL to develop those kids. If you put any of those names on the Phantoms over the years... I doubt any of them would have turned out the same.

Does is seem Pitt has the easy schedule, they played the least games coming into AS break and now a lite schedule after, I mean if I could pick a schedule for an older team, it would be lite schedule early, then play bulk of games down the stretch. Maybe I am wrong.
- wcorvette

Buttman will ALWAYS take care of the Penwhines. I'm sure he'll figure out a way to get them another generational talent soon.

Not really talking about 1st-round picks tho. Talking about mid/late-round tweeners who get coached up, given time and get turned into legit NHL contributors.

Like think all the players that came out of the Syracuse/Norfolk pipeline for Tampa over the years: Colton, Killorn, Perbix, Cirelli, Gudas, Panik, Joseph, Palat, etc.

You could say that Tampa just found gems in the draft. But they also had good coaches like Cooper and Groulx in the AHL to develop those kids. If you put any of those names on the Phantoms over the years... I doubt any of them would have been the same.
- Tomahawk

Ah, gotcha

Not really talking about 1st-round picks tho. Talking about mid/late-round tweeners who get coached up, given time and get turned into legit NHL contributors.

Like think all the players that came out of the Syracuse/Norfolk pipeline for Tampa over the years: Colton, Killorn, Perbix, Cirelli, Gudas, Panik, Joseph, Palat, etc.

You could say that Tampa just found gems in the draft. But they also had good coaches like Cooper and Groulx in the AHL to develop those kids. If you put any of those names on the Phantoms over the years... I doubt any of them would have turned out the same.
- Tomahawk

Coaching didn’t make these guys into good players. The player did that

In what way is it asinine? You think they had a players only meeting on the bench when they got up 4-0 and said that's slow it down now to make sure that we have energy for the stretch run? Eh what?

- Phillywhiteout

lol the players, in no way shape or form, think to themselves “we better let off the gas so we have some in the tank for two Thursdays from now. Maybe if it was a back to back - but recovery time for an athlete without injury is what, one, two days?

This is where never playing the sport really shines through some of his “arguments” 😂

Not really talking about 1st-round picks tho. Talking about mid/late-round tweeners who get coached up, given time and get turned into legit NHL contributors.

Like think all the players that came out of the Syracuse/Norfolk pipeline for Tampa over the years: Colton, Killorn, Perbix, Cirelli, Gudas, Panik, Joseph, Palat, etc.

You could say that Tampa just found gems in the draft. But they also had good coaches like Cooper and Groulx in the AHL to develop those kids. If you put any of those names on the Phantoms over the years... I doubt any of them would have turned out the same.
- Tomahawk

It is stunning how absolutely horrible the Flyers development has been over the years. I have a buddy who's kid was a prospect and never made it. I remember him telling me that a lot of the other prospect parents (him included) dreaded their kid getting drafted by the Flyers because of how crappy they are at developing young players. This was probably 5 or 6 years ago that I remember this conversation.

Proving my point. Thank you.
- MJL

Typical non-answer to being called out for your ridiculous take 😂

This is kind of a dumb take if you ask me (I know you didn't). I mean, you really think the players in game were thinking we better take our foot off the gas to save some energy for the rest of the season? I certainly don't think a hockey player's mind works that way in game! They got comfy with a big lead and took their foot off the pedal, and were lucky that they didn't get burned (thanks to the outstanding play between the pipes).
- Phillywhiteout

this is where you lost him

Ran out of track didn't you? You look silly , but try to paint someone else in that slot. Too bad it doesn't work for you, but nice try.
- Phillywhiteout

Ran out of track? It was a very simple concept that went over your head. You failed to grasp a very common and frequent occurrence in the game of hockey. Making a fool of yourself in calling it stupid.

That's a pretty embarrassing list of replacement-level talent right there.
- Tomahawk

then currently the two on the team that were later round picks or non drafted are Cates and Zamula.

and seeler found his stride here. later round picks always have a low percentage to make the nhl. always wonder what oscar would've become if he didn't get cancer.

Is it really? Do you have any stats or factual information to show that? I have some factual information for you

Frost P/60 1.9 CF% 51.21 GF% 63.16 xGF% 56.85 SCF% 54.77 HDCF% 59.2
Poehling P/60 1.34 CF% 46.49 GF% 35.14 xGF% 49.50 SCF% 48.01 HDCF% 50

Here is what I notice. Your ability to notice anything in the sport of hockey. Is non-existent. Poehling is being overplayed by Tortorella and should not be getting more minutes at 5 on 5 over Frost. Frost is easily the superior player.
- MJL

I have a question. When Frost gets traded at the deadline or this off-season, are you going to become a fan of his new team and start posting on their forum? When are you going to learn that these numbers are not as telling or important as you continue to make them out to be?

Friedman on 32TP: "I believe the Flyers and Konecny are talking about this extension, I believe they've made it a priority and they're going to try and get it done. It's going to be a big number"
- StepfordSam

Locking up wingers long term with no centers in the system. It’s a bold move Cotton. Let’s see how it plays out.

You can say that for every skater, every team, every game.
- Pelle31Forever

No I can't! TK is noticeable every single game he plays. That is just one example. There are dozens of players that I can say this about.

I have a question. When Frost gets traded at the deadline or this off-season, are you going to become a fan of his new team and start posting on their forum? When are you going to learn that these numbers are not as telling or important as you continue to make them out to be?
- jd250

Your response here is simply unintelligent. When are you going to learn anything about the game of hockey?

I'll post this again from the other thread to explain it to you.

The NHL season is 82 games long and it is a brutal grind. The Flyers in order to compete, have been playing at a playoff level of intensity since the beginning of the season. They need to in order to compete. The Flyers players instinctively know that they can't keep that up all season. They ran out of gas before the all star break. They aren't good enough to play without that level of intensity. So they coasted. Top teams due to their higher quality of players and talent, can play structured hockey without playoff level intensity and still play at a high level. The Flyers can't.
It's not that I don't recognize the difference between the two situations, as you asininely state. It's that I recognize and understand why the Flyers played as they did after getting up 4-0. They're hoping to survive the regular season with some gas in the tank for the stretch. Here endeth the lesson.
- MJL

I'm glad you posted this again because it was a dumb take the first time you posted it, and it's doubly dumb now. So you want me to believe that the Flyers cannot play a structured hockey game once they get a BIG lead because they don't have high quality of players and talent?

Are you Freak'n kidding me? And you have the audacity to come on this forum daily and state I don't know what I am talking about? You complete STOOGE!

He still looks like he is adjusting to how The Flyers play their zone as compared to the man to man the Ducks played. He has to unlearn what was probably automatic to him the last few years and learn to think differently on the ice.

You can see the skill. And he drew a penalty because of that. (not that it matters with this PP)
- MBFlyerfan

Torts talked about Drysdale at length in the pre-game yesterday. He said Drysdale has missed a lot of time due to injuries, thus he has a lot of learn about how to play defense and how the Flyers play defensive zone coverage, going from man-to-man coverage in Anaheim to zone coverage with the Flyers. I suspect that Drysdale will not be that noticeable offensively for a while as he is learning the coverages and working with Shaw on improving his defensive skills.

I'll post this again from the other thread to explain it to you.

The NHL season is 82 games long and it is a brutal grind. The Flyers in order to compete, have been playing at a playoff level of intensity since the beginning of the season. They need to in order to compete. The Flyers players instinctively know that they can't keep that up all season. They ran out of gas before the all star break. They aren't good enough to play without that level of intensity. So they coasted. Top teams due to their higher quality of players and talent, can play structured hockey without playoff level intensity and still play at a high level. The Flyers can't.
It's not that I don't recognize the difference between the two situations, as you asininely state. It's that I recognize and understand why the Flyers played as they did after getting up 4-0. They're hoping to survive the regular season with some gas in the tank for the stretch. Here endeth the lesson.
- MJL

you're contradicting yourself here. previously you said teams who DO have elite skill and talent can coast. Now you're saying the Flyers "coasted" because they don't have the elite talent or skill?

make up your mind

Torts talked about Drysdale at length in the pre-game yesterday. He said Drysdale has missed a lot of time due to injuries, thus he has a lot of learn about how to play defense and how the Flyers play defensive zone coverage, going from man-to-man coverage in Anaheim to zone coverage with the Flyers. I suspect that Drysdale will not be that noticeable offensively for a while as he is learning the coverages and working with Shaw on improving his defensive skills.
- jd250

From Torts right after Drysdale's first game :

“Yeah, he was up the ice. I want him to go more,” Tortorella said. “He’s a candidate to be like a rover. Not a defenseman, a rover. He’s just on top of the ice the way he skates. There were a couple of times where he was up the ice and we didn’t get him the puck. He was aggressive. … I think he’s more than willing to do that.”

also

Tortorella said they don’t want to throw too much at him too quickly — his system is very different from Anaheim’s. Want Drysdale to focus on offense, “and we’ll teach him defense.” -Tortorella via Bill Meltzer

It worked out pretty much how I expected it to. For all of Tort's talk about wanting Drysdale to focus on offense and not to worry about defense, it was just that, talk.

Friedman on 32TP: "I believe the Flyers and Konecny are talking about this extension, I believe they've made it a priority and they're going to try and get it done. It's going tpo be a big number"
- StepfordSam

That means flyer's won't TANK! "If" Konecny gets 9 mill per and 8 years! 🥳

From Torts right after Drysdale's first game :

“Yeah, he was up the ice. I want him to go more,” Tortorella said. “He’s a candidate to be like a rover. Not a defenseman, a rover. He’s just on top of the ice the way he skates. There were a couple of times where he was up the ice and we didn’t get him the puck. He was aggressive. … I think he’s more than willing to do that.”

also

Tortorella said they don’t want to throw too much at him too quickly — his system is very different from Anaheim’s. Want Drysdale to focus on offense, “and we’ll teach him defense.” -Tortorella via Bill Meltzer

It worked out pretty much how I expected it to. For all of Tort's talk about wanting Drysdale to focus on offense and not to worry about defense, it was just that, talk.
- Flyers_01

I’m not trying to pick apart every little nuance here, but in his presser it didn’t seem like his stance was “stop focusing on offense, stay back and learn to play defense!!”.

He was more just making comments on how he’s gotta learn the system…be AGGRESSIVE and come up and attack, not just offensively, but on defense as well. He mentioned he wanted Sanheim to do that more as well.

I'm glad you posted this again because it was a dumb take the first time you posted it, and it's doubly dumb now. So you want me to believe that the Flyers cannot play a structured hockey game once they get a BIG lead because they don't have high quality of players and talent?

Are you Freak'n kidding me? And you have the audacity to come on this forum daily and state I don't know what I am talking about? You complete STOOGE!
- jd250

Oh, you're hysterical. It's actually a simple concept that you're apparently incapable of grasping. You're not alone though.

For the sake of making a genuine attempt to enlighten you and teach you something. Despite your obvious ignorance and arrogance, I will explain it further.

Basic Point 1. The Flyers all season, have been playing with a high level of intensity under Tortorella in an attempt to compete. That game in and game out intensity, has helped lessen the gap in talent and roster wise between the Flyers and obviously more talented teams.

Basic Point 2. In the NHL, when teams get a substantial lead in a game, such as the 4-0 lead the Flyers had early in the 2nd period. Certain things tend to happen. One, the team with the lead will generally make a shift in strategy, such as going from a 2-1 forecheck to a 1-2 forecheck to play more conservatively. Not pushing offense and making safer plays with the puck such as a lot of chip outs and dump ins. Human nature also comes into play as teams with the lead will back off in intensity while teams behind will ramp up intensity, become more aggressive and take more risks offensively to try and get back in the game. It can be seen statistically in what is known as score effects.

The above is very basic stuff that hopefully you can grasp but I have my doubts.

Now as it applies to last nights game.

The Flyers after getting out to a 4-0 lead, clearly took their foot off of the gas to use a cliche. NHL players instinctively know as a team, that you simply can't play with playoff level intensity for 82 games and expect to have any energy in the tank left towards the end of the season. Players know that they have to take opportunities to conserve energy when they can. Its why early season hockey is generally less intense than hockey later in the season and into the playoffs. The Flyers however have done the opposite. They came right out of the gates this season with a high intensity level hockey.
Now its not that the Flyers can't play with the same structure when having a big lead. Its that once you remove that high level of intensity from the Flyers game, they lose the ability to compete. Teams with a higher talent level and more skill can still compete at a high level even when not playing their A game. We've seen that recently in games against Colorado and TB. When the Flyers don't play with that high level of energy and intensity, the gap between them and the better teams increases. The Flyers instinctively let off of intensity with the big lead to conserve energy. They don't have the talent and players to play at a high compete level without that high level intensity. That sums up what you don't understand about the Flyers and the game of hockey.

then currently the two on the team that were later round picks or non drafted are Cates and Zamula.

and seeler found his stride here. later round picks always have a low percentage to make the nhl. always wonder what oscar would've become if he didn't get cancer.
- Peter Richards

Cates never played a single game in LHV.

Zamula, we're still waiting to see what he becomes.

And Seeler was already an NHLer before he got here.