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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 1:30 PM ET
Vinny Prospal should be the power play coach next year.

Oh and I find your analysis of Torts shows the complexity of the man, also you are one of the few bloggers/authors who is not afraid to show the coach's warts. See you in Tampa. I'll be the only person on the planet wearing a Prospal 45 Flyers jersey.

- Jdhebner

The Flyers do have Briere, Sharp and LeClair all working for them. I understand they have their day jobs but even Clarkie as GM would come down and work with the centers on faceoffs from time to time. So why not have them get on the ice and work with the PP?
Firstofhisname
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2018

Feb 14 @ 1:31 PM ET
Torts would have been so pissed off that Voracek wasn't from North America, and he couldn't bench him in his home town.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Feb 14 @ 1:34 PM ET
how is that being rude? guess on 2024 anything offends someone. take a walk sweet cheeks
- hello it's me 2050

I am not offended, takes much more to get me rattled. Having lived in the USSR and having served in the Soviet army you don't even register on my "offensive" scale.
I am just showing up your incivility.
It's on you, not on me.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Feb 14 @ 1:36 PM ET
This isn’t Bill’s house, it’s his job. We’re supporting what he does by being here.
- roenick97

That was a funny way to demonstrate support
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 14 @ 1:40 PM ET
That was a funny way to demonstrate support
- missingmike

Bill pushes a little too.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 14 @ 1:40 PM ET
I am not offended, takes much more to get me rattled. Having lived in the USSR and having served in the Soviet army you don't even register on my "offensive" scale.
I am just showing up your incivility.
It's on you, not on me.

- missingmike

big yawn, as I said take a walk
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 1:41 PM ET
Just funny we can never talk raw points with frost, always has to be rates
- ClaudeFather

I know, isn't that interesting? For example, did you know that Frost is 11th on the team in scoring chances for? Frost has generated less scoring chances than Nick Seeler, and his total number of scoring chances for (377) is almost a factor of 2 less than Travis Konecny (637). Raw numbers, not percentages which are not telling because Frost's SCF and SCA totals are so low compared to Konecny's.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 14 @ 1:43 PM ET
Beat the Metro teams and you'll be fine. Flyers control their own destiny.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
I know, isn't that interesting? For example, did you know that Frost is 11th on the team in scoring chances for? Frost has generated less scoring chances than Nick Seeler, and his total number of scoring chances for (377) is almost a factor of 2 less than Travis Konecny (637). Raw numbers, not percentages which are not telling because Frost's SCF and SCA totals are so low compared to Konecny's.
- jd250


So Konecny is a better offensive player that also played ten more games than Morgan Frost. He should have more scoring chances.

Also, TK has generated 637 scoring chances this year?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
Bill, I thought this was a great blog from you today, thank you! I don't agree with you that Torts didn't have to ride Couts in the Kraken game because Couts has been below par IMO for a few weeks now, but I am happy you devoted some words of praise to Torts and his coaching staff!
- jd250


The reason why Couturier missed games 3 and 4 of the Flyers' five-game win streak, now that he's feeling better, was that he suffered a mild groin pull. He's fine now. But it was still not 100 percent until after the break. That has to be taken into to account, too. It's not an easy injury to hide.
GPerogie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hightstown, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Feb 14 @ 1:54 PM ET
Frost earned to be talked about. Three weeks he’s been much better and starting to shine. The last game he looked like a star. The details on his late arrival outlined by Bill just give a little perspective to fans who missed those details. Frost is playing great and deserves a little pat on the pack he’s working hard for every inch. I appreciate the write up sir
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 14 @ 1:55 PM ET
another frostsky blog.....
- hello it's me 2050

Frost is a Flyers, for now
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 1:56 PM ET
Regarding the PP, I think the Flyers have improved in zone entries as the season has gone a long, and even though they are not scoring have been generating more scoring chances on their PPs. Also their puck retrieval has improved. I still see problems that I can categorize as the following:

1. The Flyers have got to be better winning faceoffs on the PP. Against Arizona I thought Frost did really well in this area, but looking over the entire season, the Flyers lose too many draws in the offensive zone on the PP, and losing possession causes a loss of 20-30 seconds.

2. The Flyers do not have enough players that can one time a shot. We all saw Laughton's PP goal from the circle the other night. He took a nice pass from the top of the blue line and one timed it before the goalie could get set. The Flyers have too many players that need to settle the puck before they shoot, and in the NHL that second delay is enough for the goalie to react.

3. What to do once they get into the zone and set up. I feel the Flyers are still a bit lost in this area. I believe there are three patterns that teams use to generate shots on the PP, 1. use a bumper on either side that is fed from the half wall or from below the goal line for a quick 1-timer, 2. have a player set up at the top or either circle for a 1-timer fed either from the top of the umbrella or cross ice, and 3. the defenseman walks the blue line and releases a shot once a lane appears and a screen is in place (Zamula does this well). I would like to see the Flyers be much more focused on executing one of these patterns consistently, vs. just passing the puck around the perimeter looking for the perfect play.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 14 @ 1:57 PM ET
Torts would have been so pissed off that Voracek wasn't from North America, and he couldn't bench him in his home town.
- Firstofhisname

are you leaf fans really this pissed the flyers have more points than them?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 14 @ 1:57 PM ET
I know, isn't that interesting? For example, did you know that Frost is 11th on the team in scoring chances for? Frost has generated less scoring chances than Nick Seeler, and his total number of scoring chances for (377) is almost a factor of 2 less than Travis Konecny (637). Raw numbers, not percentages which are not telling because Frost's SCF and SCA totals are so low compared to Konecny's.
- jd250


Not sure where you are getting your numbers or the criteria you are using. But in terms of individual scoring chances by raw numbers (so not factoring in games played or ice time) Frost is ninth at 5-on-5 and eight when power play, 4-on-4 and PP are considered.

Source:
https://naturalstattrick....ines=single&draftteam=ALL

When you weigh on-ice expected goals share, Frost is No. 1 on the team.

Source: https://naturalstattrick....ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Lastly, when you way linemate scoring chances where Frost stood to get a primary assist (I can't find data on potential secondaries), he's 2nd in per/60 and fifth in raw count despite not playing in 11 games.



jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 1:57 PM ET
The reason why Couturier missed games 3 and 4 of the Flyers' five-game win streak, now that he's feeling better, was that he suffered a mild groin pull. He's fine now. But it was still not 100 percent until after the break. That has to be taken into to account, too. It's not an easy injury to hide.
- bmeltzer

I didn't know that, but now that you say it makes perfect sense, because I felt Couts has been behind the play quite a bit lately.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 1:58 PM ET
Not sure where you are getting your numbers or the criteria you are using. But in terms of individual scoring chances by raw numbers (so not factoring in games played or ice time) Frost is ninth at 5-on-5 and eight when power play, 4-on-4 and PP are considered.

Source:
https://naturalstattrick....ines=single&draftteam=ALL

When you weigh on-ice expected goals share, Frost is No. 1 on the team.

Source: https://naturalstattrick....ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Lastly, when you way linemate scoring chances where Frost stood to get a primary assist (I can't find data on potential secondaries), he's 2nd in per/60 and fifth in raw count despite not playing in 11 games.

- bmeltzer

My source was on-ice metrics from naturalstattrick using all situations, since Frost plays the PP.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 14 @ 1:58 PM ET
Regarding the PP, I think the Flyers have improved in zone entries as the season has gone a long, and even though they are not scoring have been generating more scoring chances on their PPs. Also their puck retrieval has improved. I still see problems that I can categorize as the following:

1. The Flyers have got to be better winning faceoffs on the PP. Against Arizona I thought Frost did really well in this area, but looking over the entire season, the Flyers lose too many draws in the offensive zone on the PP, and losing possession causes a loss of 20-30 seconds.

2. The Flyers do not have enough players that can one time a shot. We all saw Laughton's PP goal from the circle the other night. He took a nice pass from the top of the blue line and one timed it before the goalie could get set. The Flyers have too many players that need to settle the puck before they shoot, and in the NHL that second delay is enough for the goalie to react.

3. What to do once they get into the zone and set up. I feel the Flyers are still a bit lost in this area. I believe there are three patterns that teams use to generate shots on the PP, 1. use a bumper on either side that is fed from the half wall or from below the goal line for a quick 1-timer, 2. have a player set up at the top or either circle for a 1-timer fed either from the top of the umbrella or cross ice, and 3. the defenseman walks the blue line and releases a shot once a lane appears and a screen is in place (Zamula does this well). I would like to see the Flyers be much more focused on executing one of these patterns consistently, vs. just passing the puck around the perimeter looking for the perfect play.

- jd250



I think there's a good deal of accuracy here.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Feb 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
Hey Bill,

How many wins do you have as an NHL coach, just curious? 😂

You not liking that Torts got in Coot’s ear is soft, my friend. Get over it.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 14 @ 2:04 PM ET
RR out a month, what will the flyers do now. I smell IR for the rets of the year....cap space.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 2:05 PM ET
So Konecny is a better offensive player that also played ten more games than Morgan Frost. He should have more scoring chances.

Also, TK has generated 637 scoring chances this year?

- mickel25

TK has played 11 more games than Frost.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Feb 14 @ 2:08 PM ET
Hey Bill,

How many wins do you have as an NHl coach, just curious? 😂

You not liking that Torts got in Coot’s ear is soft, my friend. Get over it.

- anti-lame

Bill is your daddy. And like the good little son you are, you're here every day commenting on his blog under an alt account, even after the lashing he gave you. It's truly remarkable stuff. You are a role model to sons everywhere.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 2:09 PM ET
Just funny we can never talk raw points with frost, always has to be rates
- ClaudeFather


Rates gives the more accurate picture if comparing player to player.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Feb 14 @ 2:10 PM ET
I think Frost and Marco Rossi have had some things in common in their adjustment to the NHL. Rossi has seen a lot of ice with underperforming wings who can’t finish. He should have 30 assists by now. Rossi has compensated by going to the net scoring many of his goals from 2 feet away. He couldn’t do that last year because he was so easy to knock off the puck. Smaller finesse centers need to get stronger so that finesse doesn’t get neutralized by getting bodied.

mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 14 @ 2:10 PM ET
TK has played 11 more games than Frost.
- jd250


So he should have more scoring chances right. TK has also played first line minutes all year. Also 637 scoring chances is 12 per game for TK. That seems like a lot.

Frost is generating 8 a game which also seems high to me. That's 20 per game between the two of them. How many do the Flyers generate as a team?
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