It's coaching also. They don't have the shooters for one timers off he wing or in the bumper. So stop trying to make those plays. Stop passing it around trying to create those opportunities. Set up double screens at the net and get the puck to the net. Simplify the strategy to the personnel.
- MJL

So in your opinion Tippet, Laughton, TK and Foerster are not capable of shooting one-timers? And even if they couldn't they can practice them right?

Hmmm ... now I recall someone posting right here on this forum these exact words about Frost multiple times over the past two seasons. I wonder who that was ... OH .. IT WAS ME!

Suck on @MJL .. Suck on it! Even Bill, who is Frost's biggest proponent agrees this is a fair assessment. You Failure is Complete!
- jd250

LMAO, your the only guy who thinks that an issue a player had multiple seasons ago, stays with him forever. You have a reading comprehension issue. Frost not moving his feet was an issue he overcame a couple of seasons ago and is no longer an issue. The blog does not say that this is still an issue with Frost.

It's just another in a long line of examples of how you are easily manipulated.

So he should have more scoring chances right. TK has also played first line minutes all year. Also 637 scoring chances is 12 per game for TK. That seems like a lot.

Frost is generating 8 a game which also seems high to me. That's 20 per game between the two of them. How many do the Flyers generate as a team?
- mickel25

I was thinking the same thing, perhaps this metric is scoring chances that happen when they are on the ice, even if they were not the ones that generated them.

Rates gives the more accurate picture if comparing player to player.
- MJL

who does frost compare with in phantom points? you think he is near the league leaders?

so total points scored isn't more accurate?

LMAO, your the only guy who thinks that an issue a player had multiple seasons ago, stays with him forever. You have a reading comprehension issue. Frost not moving his feet was an issue he overcame a couple of seasons ago and is no longer an issue.

It's just another in a long line of examples of how you are easily manipulated.
- MJL

Oh no no no .. you are not getting any mercy from me. You're wrong .. admit it! Once again you have been exposed! Read this out loud in your basement, buddy!

I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good-looking. I'm not very attractive.

I know, isn't that interesting? For example, did you know that Frost is 11th on the team in scoring chances for? Frost has generated less scoring chances than Nick Seeler, and his total number of scoring chances for (377) is almost a factor of 2 less than Travis Konecny (637). Raw numbers, not percentages which are not telling because Frost's SCF and SCA totals are so low compared to Konecny's.
- jd250

Seeler has played 250 more minutes at 5 on 5 this season than Frost, you fool.


Rates are the accurate measure. You have a lot to learn.

I didn't know that, but now that you say it makes perfect sense, because I felt Couts has been behind the play quite a bit lately.
- jd250

You posted this season that Couturier is cooked as a player and can't keep up with the play. That was long before his recent groin injury.

You posted this season that Couturier is cooked as a player and can't keep up with the play. That was long before his recent groin injury.
- MJL

He had an injury then also that he was playing through. Look, I am not in the locker room, I don't know what injuries these players concealing. All I have to go by is what I see on the ice. You know, that 200 x 100 foot long white-ish thing the players play on, not the background of your excel sheet.

So in your opinion Tippet, Laughton, TK and Foerster are not capable of shooting one-timers? And even if they couldn't they can practice them right?
- jd250

My opinion is that none of those players have shown that they can consistently score on the PP with one timers. Not that they can't potentially get better at that in the future. The post was clearly about how they can improve the PP right now.

RR out a month, what will the flyers do now. I smell IR for the rets of the year....cap space.
- hello it's me 2050

I find it very interesting...Ristolainen SEEMS to always get an injury or bug when TDL rolls around. I wonder if it's in my head or if there is more to it. Coincidence?






Update: Seems like he always gets banged up in April after TDL

Bill is your daddy. And like the good little son you are, you're here every day commenting on his blog under an alt account, even after the lashing he gave you. It's truly remarkable stuff. You are a role model to sons everywhere.
- TobyFlenderson

He can lash at me all he wants. If he wants a comment section filled with people who agree with him then that’s…a choice.

If Frost was capable of doing this all along why is he only showing it after being coached by Torts. He can say he would have gotten here eventually without him but I will disagree. He doesn’t like Torts because he thinks he’s mean to Frost (and Coots apparently) - that’s fine. But I look at results and right now I don’t think anyone can complain about the results - so why write a manifesto against the coach that got us here?

He doesn’t want to give the coach any credit - but the players themselves do. I know who I’m going to listen to..

Oh no no no .. you are not getting any mercy from me. You're wrong .. admit it! Once again you have been exposed! Read this out loud in your basement, buddy!

I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good-looking. I'm not very attractive.
- jd250

Mercy! LOL. Read what was said! You're wrong and you've always been wrong about Frost and pretty much everything else. You're only making it worse for yourself.

He had an injury then also that he was playing through. Look, I am not in the locker room, I don't know what injuries these players concealing. All I have to go by is what I see on the ice. You know, that 200 x 100 foot long white-ish thing the players play on, not the background of your excel sheet.
- jd250

You posted early in the season that Couturier is cooked as a player. End of story. Another idiotic statement made by you. You have no clue what you're looking at on the ice. That's been proven.

He can lash at me all he wants. If he wants a comment section filled with people who agree with him then that’s…a choice.

If Frost was capable of doing this all along why is he only showing it after being coached by Torts. He can say he would have gotten here eventually without him but I will disagree. He doesn’t like Torts because he thinks he’s mean to Frost (and Coots apparently) - that’s fine. But I look at results and right now I don’t think anyone can complain about the results - so why write a manifesto against the coach that got us here?

He doesn’t want to give the coach any credit - but the players themselves do. I know who I’m going to listen to..
- Bill's son Francis

Maybe daddy will one day give you the attention you sorely crave.

Maybe daddy will one day give you the attention you sorely crave.
- TobyFlenderson

Do you respond with hockey related content ever? What is your opinion on a coach being too mean to his players?

We had to endure years of millionaire athletes not being held accountable and when we finally get someone who pushes the right buttons to get the most out of players we are sad that he’s too mean? Give me a break!

Do you respond with hockey related content ever? What is your opinion on a coach being too mean to his players?
- anti-lame

Teams should hire bench counselors so when a player needs to talk about their feelings then they can schedule an appointment. Sports has nothing to do about winning or losing or even performance...it's all about how you feel inside.

He can lash at me all he wants. If he wants a comment section filled with people who agree with him then that’s…a choice.

If Frost was capable of doing this all along why is he only showing it after being coached by Torts. He can say he would have gotten here eventually without him but I will disagree. He doesn’t like Torts because he thinks he’s mean to Frost (and Coots apparently) - that’s fine. But I look at results and right now I don’t think anyone can complain about the results - so why write a manifesto against the coach that got us here?

He doesn’t want to give the coach any credit - but the players themselves do. I know who I’m going to listen to..
- anti-lame

1) Not ALL the players do. Note that when the Rangers dismissed Torts, many players didn't exactly line up to sing his praises (nor have they since). A few did. Others did not. Vigneault, who wasn't beloved, did a better job with both the Canucks and Rangers in preceding/succeeding Torts. Got both to the Cup Final.


2) Did you actually read the blog? I gave Tortorella a lot of credit for the things i think he deserves credit for: structure, defining identity, getting systems buy-in. Disagree with me all you want but know what hell you are talking about and don't mischaracterize what I wrote by cherry-picking through it. Fact: I respect Torts. Doesn't mean I agree with about everything. But I've never agreed 100 percent of the time with any coach. They're not perfect.

3) I have been around this game a long time. I've never once criticized a coach for "being mean". I have criticized when I think a player is underestimated or not put in optimal position to succeed. Hitch did it here with Sharp. Torts did it in New York with Zuccarello. And then Torts he largely repeated it again with Frost. Hopefully, the relationship grows from here. We will see.

He can lash at me all he wants. If he wants a comment section filled with people who agree with him then that’s…a choice.

If Frost was capable of doing this all along why is he only showing it after being coached by Torts. He can say he would have gotten here eventually without him but I will disagree. He doesn’t like Torts because he thinks he’s mean to Frost (and Coots apparently) - that’s fine. But I look at results and right now I don’t think anyone can complain about the results - so why write a manifesto against the coach that got us here?

He doesn’t want to give the coach any credit - but the players themselves do. I know who I’m going to listen to..
- anti-lame

Actually I think Bill has given and did give Torts and his staff credit….at least that’s the way I read it. He just is using some situational examples to say that he’s not infallible.
Can you say you agree with all the things Torts says and does? I can’t. I do think for the most part Torts has great job, but there are some things I don’t agree with…Bill just seems to be pointing some of those things out.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits and Musings: Feb. 14, 2024
- bmeltzer

How dare you use facts to support Frost!!

He is an AHL talent and needs to put up points to stay in the lineup - It is that simple

1) Not ALL the players do. Note that when the Rangers dismissed Torts, many players didn't exactly line up to sing his praises (nor have they since). A few did. Others did not. Vigneault, who wasn't beloved, did a better job with both the Canucks and Rangers in preceding/succeeding Torts. Got both to the Cup Final.


2) Did you actually read the blog? I gave Tortorella a lot of credit for the things i think he deserves credit for: structure, defining identity, getting systems buy-in. Disagree with me all you want but know what hell you are talking about and don't mischaracterize what I wrote by cherry-picking through it. Fact: I respect Torts. Doesn't mean I agree with about everything. But I've never agreed 100 percent of the time with any coach. They're not perfect.

3) I have been around this game a long time. I've never once criticized a coach for "being mean". I have criticized when I think a player is underestimated or not put in optimal position to succeed. Hitch did it here with Sharp. Torts did it in New York with Zuccarello. And then Torts he largely repeated it again with Frost. Hopefully, the relationship grows from here. We will see.
- bmeltzer

Bill, he is the same poster that you labeled a fool with the screen name Black Francis. He is using an alt account. Same old foolish nonsense.

1) Not ALL the players do. Note that when the Rangers dismissed Torts, many players didn't exactly line up to sing his praises (nor have they since). A few did. Others did not. Vigneault, who wasn't beloved, did a better job with both the Canucks and Rangers in preceding/succeeding Torts. Got both to the Cup Final.

2) Did you actually read the blog? I gave Tortorella a lot of credit for the things i think he deserves credit for: structure, defining identity, getting systems buy-in. Disagree with me all you want, but know what hell you are talking about. I respect Torts. Doesn't mean I agree with about everything. But I've never agreed 100 percent of the time with any coach. They're not perfect.

3) I have been around this game a long time. I've never once criticized a coach for "being mean". I have criticized when I think a player is underestimated or not put in optimal position to succeed. Hitch did it here with Sharp. Torts did it in New York with Zuccarello. And then Torts he largely repeated it again with Frost. Hopefully, the relationship grows from here. We will see.
- bmeltzer

Thank you for the response Bill. Sports fans are passionate and that drives this whole machine. You’re right, not all players sing his praises. But I’d argue not all players are all that mature (see: Spittin’ Chiclets)

I disagree that players would just figure it out if the coach just leaves them alone. That’s when players get complacent. They might hate him in the moment but without that push I think it’s very easy for players like Frost to blend in. And now we all agree he’s playing better than ever. We can go back and forth on whether we think Torts helps or hinders in that regard, it’s hard to prove either way. I just know that we are getting results now and I think to dismiss Torts’ involvement in that seems biased.

As for Coots - everyone says Tort only holds those accountable who he doesn’t like. He loves Coots - but no one should get a free pass. As for why he doesn’t do this to every player all the time? Well that method gets old so you have to pick and choose your spots. This guy defends his players. The results are what matters and here we are arguing over coaching tactics when we are on a 4 game win streak and in a good position to make the playoffs.

Actually I think Bill has given and did give Torts and his staff credit….at least that’s the way I read it. He just is using some situational examples to say that he’s not infallible.
Can you say you agree with all the things Torts says and does? I can’t. I do think for the most part Torts has great job, but there are some things I don’t agree with…Bill just seems to be pointing some of those things out.
- landros 2

I’m more responding to the “being in Coots ear” criticism. We want accountability until we don’t apparently.

I don’t always agree with Torts or his decisions but I felt this one is just finding things to complain about.

Bill, he is the same poster that you labeled a fool with the screen name Black Francis. He is using an alt account. Same old foolish nonsense.
- MJL

What are you on about?

Frost has been playing his best hockey as of late… after his benchings and scratches and confrontation and meeting. There’s no evidence to support he’d be playing this well if coaches just left him alone. There’s plenty of players who never reached their potential because no one pushed them to be better.

As far as rangers players not liking him - Torts even admits he’s done a lot of growing up and has altered the way he carries himself since then. Coaches can grow too.