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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 10:43 PM ET
You're incapable of properly assessing anything in the sport of hockey. That has been proven with the public record of your posting for years. You can boast all you want. Your posting history says otherwise. Here are a few examples just off the top of my head.

"Fletcher has put the team on the definition of the path to the Stanley Cup"
"Ristolainen is the Flyers best defenseman and one of the best in the NHL"
"Charlie McAvoy is not one of the best defenseman in the NHL"
"I'd take Konecny over Pasternak and there are numerous hockey people who agree with me"
"Tortorella is hands down the Jack Adams award winner"
" Giroux is a fraud and screwed the Flyers. Fletcher was fleeced in the deal for only getting a 1st and a prospect in Tippett who can't hold down a spot in the lineup"
"Carter Hart is as good if not better that Connor Hellebuyck"

These are just a few examples of your hockey knowledge. As well as an exhibited complete lack of knowledge about anything in the game of hockey, including player assessment, any understanding of hockey strategy or systems. Yet you repeatedly claim that others have never played the game, without having the common sense that just making that statement makes you look like an ass.

- MJL

Yup, and I stand by a lot of these quotes too!

At the time Fletcher got Ellis and Risto, and Atkinson while dumping Voracek, I thought these moves would surely propel the Flyers into the playoffs. Who knew Ellis would only play 5 games and AV had lost the room and get fired 1 month into the season. We all know the story and I bet a lot of fans at the time were excited about getting Ellis and giving Risto a fresh start out of Buffalo. It didn't work out. That's life sometimes.

The context of the Risto comment was a stretch of about 20 or so games where clearly Risto was the best Flyer defender. The part about best in the NHL is fantasy that you made up.

I will say it again, Charlie McAvoy is NOT on of the best defenseman in the NHL IMO

I will say it again, Torts absolutely deserves the Jack Adams award. If the Flyers make the playoffs it's not even close.

Giroux is a HUGE fraud, almost as big of a fraud as you are. At the time I was disappointed in the return for Giroux but that BEFORE we all found out that Fraud Giroux had tied Fletcher's hands and only would accept a trade to Florida. Once this news came out, I repeatedly posted that I thought Fletcher did the best he could given the circumstances.

And finally, I believe Carter Hart is (or I guess was) just as good as any goalie in the NHL and could lead the Flyers in a long playoff run.

Just have put a little context around these statements and to any rational person, these are all very valid and defensible opinions.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 14 @ 10:44 PM ET
Oh no, it is you who live in fantasy land. The same fantasy land that has you believing Torts does not know how to coach offense, or how to develop young players, or how irrational he is. You know nothing about playing hockey because you have never actually played it, and you certainly know even less about how to coach people or teams, because I am sure you have never done that either. You repeatedly over the years have stated my observations about Frost were made up fantasies, from his need to be more assertive, not stay on the perimeter, move this feet and not coast, shoot more, improve his faceoffs etc. But here today has been presented irrefutable proof that *everything* I have said about Frost is 100% accurate, and that the only fraud in his own fantasy land is you!
- jd250


Far from everything....

I have never stated that Frost is the perfect player. There are none.

Frost has his weaker parts of his game like everyone does. But he also has great parts to his game.
Your full on support for all the scratchings, playing lesser players while better players could be playing those minutes.
What irkes me is that game in and game out, you are making comments on Frost...normally complaining about the way he is playing. Yet others are getting more minutes and doing less with it, you say nothing about. If feels like you have a genuine dislike for the player, and for the most part...feels unfounded.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 14 @ 10:45 PM ET
Their terrible strategy
- rayc16

It’s just the inevitable decaying of a star. They are starting to get pulled into the black hole now and there really isn’t much they can do. Shameful on ice product though. They shouldn’t be contenders/ very good, but they should be better than they show.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Feb 14 @ 10:50 PM ET
Yup, and I stand by a lot of these quotes too!

At the time Fletcher got Ellis and Risto, and Atkinson while dumping Voracek, I thought these moves would surely propel the Flyers into the playoffs. Who knew Ellis would only play 5 games and AV had lost the room and get fired 1 month into the season. We all know the story and I bet a lot of fans at the time were excited about getting Ellis and giving Risto a fresh start out of Buffalo. It didn't work out. That's life sometimes.

The context of the Risto comment was a stretch of about 20 or so games where clearly Risto was the best Flyer defender. The part about best in the NHL is fantasy that you made up.

I will say it again, Charlie McAvoy is NOT on of the best defenseman in the NHL IMO

I will say it again, Torts absolutely deserves the Jack Adams award. If the Flyers make the playoffs it's not even close.

Giroux is a HUGE fraud, almost as big of a fraud as you are. At the time I was disappointed in the return for Giroux but that BEFORE we all found out that Fraud Giroux had tied Fletcher's hands and only would accept a trade to Florida. Once this news came out, I repeatedly posted that I thought Fletcher did the best he could given the circumstances.

And finally, I believe Carter Hart is (or I guess was) just as good as any goalie in the NHL and could lead the Flyers in a long playoff run.

Just have put a little context around these statements and to any rational person, these are all very valid and defensible opinions.

- jd250



Yet you still fail to realize that it was Fletcher that tied his own hands by letting Florida, the Avs and others know that Giroux wanted to go to FL and that Fletcher had his eyes set on Tippet and Tippett only
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 14 @ 10:51 PM ET
The picture I posted yesterday of Frost in his younger days as a Phantom was meant to be a joke, but of course a moron like you wouldn't get it!

I responded to Bill and to you again with the link, read it and weep! The fact is when TK has been on the ice this season, the Flyers have generated more than 600 scoring chances. When Frost is on the ice, barely half of the scoring chances have been generated. FACT, not opinion.

You're the one that wants to be a smart-ass and say I posted this, and I posted that .. so prove it, show me the posts in full context .. or like I said .. STFU!

The fact is I have been posting what I thought Frost needed to do to be an effective NHL player for over two seasons now, and it's almost word for word what Bill posted in his blog today.

- jd250



Stop talking like a donkey...I won't shut up. I am not digging back through months of online blog messages just to say to some stranger online.."See..told ya"

You are right about certain parts of Frosts game, but also just as wrong on other parts.

Just wondering who the hell you think you are to tell me to shut the phuck up....seriously? This is so immature of you JD...I expect better.

I have not called you names or belittled you. I have not resorted to childish, playground behaviour. I am just chatting about the posts and posting my opinion. You don't have the right to tell me to do anything, and you really should try to stay an adult about things.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 10:55 PM ET
Far from everything....

I have never stated that Frost is the perfect player. There are none.

Frost has his weaker parts of his game like everyone does. But he also has great parts to his game.
Your full on support for all the scratchings, playing lesser players while better players could be playing those minutes.
What irkes me is that game in and game out, you are making comments on Frost...normally complaining about the way he is playing. Yet others are getting more minutes and doing less with it, you say nothing about. If feels like you have a genuine dislike for the player, and for the most part...feels unfounded.

- TheFreak

I have posted numerous times that I like Morgan Frost and I would like nothing more than for him to succeed. I have stated he seems like a nice kid, quiet, unassuming.

I never stated that you stated Frost is a perfect player. In fact, here is something for you to ponder. I NEVER not once have ever posted anything stating what you have posted, and I certainly have not made up quotes and said you posted them, as you have done to me.

And I don't start the Frost posts either. I may respond to posts that others make about Frost, but I don't start the conversation. That is because I have said all I want to say about Frost. I know what type of player he is, I know what his type of player needs to do consistently to be an effective player and I have posted it numerous times. I just hope he does it so the Flyers succeed. I have no loyalty to any one player. Growing up my favorite player was Bobby Clarke, and besides him my only hockey loyalty is to the Flyers. I just want the Flyers to win a cup. If Frost helps the Flyers win a cup I will be very happy. If Frost is traded and what comes back helps the Flyers win the cup, I will be equally as happy.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 14 @ 10:59 PM ET
You, who are on this forum 24/7 arguing with multiple posters for hours on end, are telling me to take a break and reassess?? Are you freak'n kidding me? It's one thing for me to have to deal with your ignorance every day, but I am not going to take out-right lies from some nobody who is obviously even dumber and lower than you are.
- jd250



Seriously, JD you don't know me at all. I am not some idiot.

You are extremely insulting today. I have always kept everything civil...and then today you are on a tirade.

What I posted, many, and I mean many others have stated. You have been overcritical, and you are refusing to back down on it. even after most have called you out on it.

Quit being a jerk.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 11:02 PM ET
Stop talking like a donkey...I won't shut up. I am not digging back through months of online blog messages just to say to some stranger online.."See..told ya"

You are right about certain parts of Frosts game, but also just as wrong on other parts.

Just wondering who the hell you think you are to tell me to shut the phuck up....seriously? This is so immature of you JD...I expect better.

I have not called you names or belittled you. I have not resorted to childish, playground behaviour. I am just chatting about the posts and posting my opinion. You don't have the right to tell me to do anything, and you really should try to stay an adult about things.

- TheFreak

You want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult. Stop lying about what I posted in the past when you have absolutely no evidence to back it up. If you want to have a conversation about hockey, that's fine. But when you start lying about me just to discredit me, I have a real problem with that and I won't stand for it. It's bad enough we have the other dope constantly throwing up posts others have made completely out of context, just to stroke his own ego. We don't need you doing the same. Now you said something here:

You are right about certain parts of Frosts game, but also just as wrong on other parts.

Ok, tell me the parts of Frost's game I have been wrong about, and lets have an adult conversation.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 11:05 PM ET
Seriously, JD you don't know me at all. I am not some idiot.

You are extremely insulting today. I have always kept everything civil...and then today you are on a tirade.

What I posted, many, and I mean many others have stated. You have been overcritical, and you are refusing to back down on it. even after most have called you out on it.

Quit being a jerk.

- TheFreak

Fine .. I think I have had too much salt tonight.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 11:07 PM ET
Yup, and I stand by a lot of these quotes too!


- jd250


Of course you do because you're a fool!



At the time Fletcher got Ellis and Risto, and Atkinson while dumping Voracek, I thought these moves would surely propel the Flyers into the playoffs. Who knew Ellis would only play 5 games and AV had lost the room and get fired 1 month into the season. We all know the story and I bet a lot of fans at the time were excited about getting Ellis and giving Risto a fresh start out of Buffalo. It didn't work out. That's life sometimes.


- jd250


Apparently despite all of your so called self announced hockey knowledge. You don't know the difference between putting the team on the path to the cup and just making the playoffs. I knew when the deals were made, that they were more likely to hurt the Flyers than help them and I posted that to you




The context of the Risto comment was a stretch of about 20 or so games where clearly Risto was the best Flyer defender. The part about best in the NHL is fantasy that you made up.


- jd250


You still can't grasp the simple concept of sample size and a player is never the best on the team based on a small sample of games. You labeled him one of the best in the NHL numerous times.


I will say it again, Charlie McAvoy is NOT on of the best defenseman in the NHL IMO


- jd250


You can say it again all you want. McAvoy is widely considered a top 10 NHL defenseman. He is a 2 time top 5 vote getter and 3 time top 10 vote getter in Norris Trophy voting. All before he reached 25 years of age. Saying it again just reinforces your ignorance


I will say it again, Torts absolutely deserves the Jack Adams award. If the Flyers make the playoffs it's not even close.


- jd250


You don't even know your own statements. You made that statement last season that Tortorella was hands down the Jack Adams award winner. He didn't receive a single vote. Even if the Flyers make the playoffs, he will not win the Jack Adams. He'll get some votes but he will not win



Giroux is a HUGE fraud, almost as big of a fraud as you are. At the time I was disappointed in the return for Giroux but that BEFORE we all found out that Fraud Giroux had tied Fletcher's hands and only would accept a trade to Florida. Once this news came out, I repeatedly posted that I thought Fletcher did the best he could given the circumstances.


- jd250


You're lying again. Multiple people, myself included told you numerous times that what you said was going to happen, get Newhook from Colorado or Lundell from Florida was not going to happen. Numerous people told you a few weeks before the deadline that Giroux only wanted to go to Florida. You refused to believe anyone. When the trade was made, you said that Fletcher got fleeced. You were ignorant to the facts as usual. Only well after the fact, after the sun came up, did you realize the sun came up. Around dinner time. LOL



And finally, I believe Carter Hart is (or I guess was) just as good as any goalie in the NHL and could lead the Flyers in a long playoff run.

Just have put a little context around these statements and to any rational person, these are all very valid and defensible opinions.

- jd250


Just more fantasy from you. Carter Hart is nothing more than at best an average NHL goaltender while Connor Hellebuck is an elite goaltender widely considered a top 3 NHL goalie and a favorite to win the Vezina trophy


There is no context that can justify your ignorant opinions.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 14 @ 11:07 PM ET
I have posted numerous times that I like Morgan Frost and I would like nothing more than for him to succeed. I have stated he seems like a nice kid, quiet, unassuming.

I never stated that you stated Frost is a perfect player. In fact, here is something for you to ponder. I NEVER not once have ever posted anything stating what you have posted, and I certainly have not made up quotes and said you posted them, as you have done to me.

And I don't start the Frost posts either. I may respond to posts that others make about Frost, but I don't start the conversation. That is because I have said all I want to say about Frost. I know what type of player he is, I know what his type of player needs to do consistently to be an effective player and I have posted it numerous times. I just hope he does it so the Flyers succeed. I have no loyalty to any one player. Growing up my favorite player was Bobby Clarke, and besides him my only hockey loyalty is to the Flyers. I just want the Flyers to win a cup. If Frost helps the Flyers win a cup I will be very happy. If Frost is traded and what comes back helps the Flyers win the cup, I will be equally as happy.

- jd250


I even said not word for word, but the gist of it.
Fact..you have said Frost is nothing more than an AHLer..repeatedly
Fact..you have said ND deserved his spot, because he serves a role, and Frost isn't earning his minutes


You have also said TK is a better player than Pastrnak...I don't have the exact quote on that either, but I did I misunderstand that one too?
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 14 @ 11:17 PM ET
You want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult. Stop lying about what I posted in the past when you have absolutely no evidence to back it up. If you want to have a conversation about hockey, that's fine. But when you start lying about me just to discredit me, I have a real problem with that and I won't stand for it. It's bad enough we have the other dope constantly throwing up posts others have made completely out of context, just to stroke his own ego. We don't need you doing the same. Now you said something here:

You are right about certain parts of Frosts game, but also just as wrong on other parts.

Ok, tell me the parts of Frost's game I have been wrong about, and lets have an adult conversation.

- jd250



I didn't lie JD. Get off your high horse.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 11:21 PM ET
I even said not word for word, but the gist of it.
Fact..you have said Frost is nothing more than an AHLer..repeatedly
Fact..you have said ND deserved his spot, because he serves a role, and Frost isn't earning his minutes


You have also said TK is a better player than Pastrnak...I don't have the exact quote on that either, but I did I misunderstand that one too?

- TheFreak

At the time I posted that I was afraid Frost would be nothing more than an AHL player, which was like December of 2022, that is what I felt based on what I saw. He was on his 3rd NHL coach, was being benched, and clearly not playing very well. To his credit, Frost has improved greatly since then and I will state again, I am very happy for him and more importantly, happy for the Flyers because I also posted numerous times that the Flyers could not afford to miss on yet another 1st round pick.

And yes, I posted ND deserved him spot as a 4th liner getting 8 minutes a night and I also posted at the start of this year that Frost was not earning his minutes. I stand by both of those statements. However I should note that given the recent play of ND, I now believe he should lose his spot in the lineup because he is an unmitigated disaster out there.

I never posted TK is better than Pastrnak. I posted that I think TK is a better all around player than Pastrnak. Clearly Pastrnak is a better and more gifted scorer, but I think TK is just as effective 5v5 as Pastrnak and clearly is a better PKer. I did post and I stand behind my statement that if I were starting a team today and I had a choice between TK or Pastrnak, I am picking TK all day. If you want a taste of what folks in Boston think about Pastrnak, start at the 46 second mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q-dIb2AVIs
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 11:21 PM ET
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...boards/180967/thread.php?


"Frost absolutely is a tweener, and IMO will be an AHL player for the most part. He does not have size, so he is not physical. That is OK if he has the speed and can play the game as fast as a player like Johhny G, but Frost is no where close. Frost is not a finisher, we clearly see that. We also see Frost is not good on faceoffs. So you have a small player with average speed, good skill, who can't finish, doesn't hit, is poor on faceoffs and has a problem with consistency away from the puck. I mean, this is what he is .. I am not making this up."

jd250


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 11:25 PM ET
At the time I posted that I was afraid Frost would be nothing more than an AHL player, which was like December of 2022, that is what I felt based on what I saw. He was on his 3rd NHL coach, was being benched, and clearly not playing very well. To his credit, Frost has improved greatly since then and I will state again, I am very happy for him and more importantly, happy for the Flyers because I also posted numerous times that the Flyers could not afford to miss on yet another 1st round pick.

And yes, I posted ND deserved him spot as a 4th liner getting 8 minutes a night and I also posted at the start of this year that Frost was not earning his minutes. I stand by both of those statements. However I should note that given the recent play of ND, I now believe he should lose his spot in the lineup because he is an unmitigated disaster out there.

I never posted TK is better than Pastrnak. I posted that I think TK is a better all around player than Pastrnak. Clearly Pastrnak is a better and more gifted scorer, but I think TK is just as effective 5v5 as Pastrnak and clearly is a better PKer. I did post and I stand behind my statement that if I were starting a team today and I had a choice between TK or Pastrnak, I am picking TK all day. If you want a taste of what folks in Boston think about Pastrnak, start at the 46 second mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q-dIb2AVIs

- jd250


They're talking about one shootout attempt, you fool! It's not a taste of what folks in Boston think of Pasternak. It's commentary from one person on one play! LOL Konecny is not close to being as effective at 5 on 5 as Pasternak. That is a foolish statement. Pasternak is an NHL superstar. Konecny is not. You're the only person alive who would make that asinine choice.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 14 @ 11:28 PM ET
At the time I posted that I was afraid Frost would be nothing more than an AHL player, which was like December of 2022, that is what I felt based on what I saw. He was on his 3rd NHL coach, was being benched, and clearly not playing very well. To his credit, Frost has improved greatly since then and I will state again, I am very happy for him and more importantly, happy for the Flyers because I also posted numerous times that the Flyers could not afford to miss on yet another 1st round pick.

And yes, I posted ND deserved him spot as a 4th liner getting 8 minutes a night and I also posted at the start of this year that Frost was not earning his minutes. I stand by both of those statements. However I should note that given the recent play of ND, I now believe he should lose his spot in the lineup because he is an unmitigated disaster out there.

I never posted TK is better than Pastrnak. I posted that I think TK is a better all around player than Pastrnak. Clearly Pastrnak is a better and more gifted scorer, but I think TK is just as effective 5v5 as Pastrnak and clearly is a better PKer. I did post and I stand behind my statement that if I were starting a team today and I had a choice between TK or Pastrnak, I am picking TK all day. If you want a taste of what folks in Boston think about Pastrnak, start at the 46 second mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q-dIb2AVIs

- jd250


But earlier you said I was lying that you said that.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 11:35 PM ET
Apparently despite all of your so called self announced hockey knowledge. You don't know the difference between putting the team on the path to the cup and just making the playoffs. I knew when the deals were made, that they were more likely to hurt the Flyers than help them and I posted that to you


You still can't grasp the simple concept of sample size and a player is never the best on the team based on a small sample of games. You labeled him one of the best in the NHL numerous times.


You can say it again all you want. McAvoy is widely considered a top 10 NHL defenseman. He is a 2 time top 5 vote getter and 3 time top 10 vote getter in Norris Trophy voting. All before he reached 25 years of age. Saying it again just reinforces your ignorance


You don't even know your own statements. You made that statement last season that Tortorella was hands down the Jack Adams award winner. He didn't receive a single vote. Even if the Flyers make the playoffs, he will not win the Jack Adams. He'll get some votes but he will not win



You're lying again. Multiple people, myself included told you numerous times that what you said was going to happen, get Newhook from Colorado or Lundell from Florida was not going to happen. Numerous people told you a few weeks before the deadline that Giroux only wanted to go to Florida.

- MJL

I can only respond to a few things here, because frankly axn exposed fraud like you isn't worth my time. So let's just go down the list.
1. You are negative about everything the Flyers do, so eventually when something does not work out, you pout your chest and tell everyone how smart you are. Unfortunately for us, a lot has gone wrong for the Flyers over the past few years so you get to bask in all the blackness.
2. You stating I stated Risto is one of the best defenseman in the NHL is pure fantasy. Present evidence or just continue to embarrass yourself. You know what I said and the context in which I said it.
3. Tkachuk and the Panthers completely exposed McAvoy for the weak defenseman he is in last year's playoffs. McAvoy was a turnover machine, just get physical with him on the forecheck, and he will cough up the puck all day long. Figures a fraud like you would like a fraud like McAvoy. Good offensively but all around weak defenseman.
4. I know my own statements. Torts was the best NHL coach last year AND he is the best NHL coach this year, hands down.
5. Finally, I don't lie, that is your department. You could not possibly have stated that Giroux only wanted to go to Florida because that was not reported until well after the trade was completed. All the way up to the deadline, Colorado, Florida and Minnesota where reportedly in on Giroux. Look it up. Find me one publication dated before that year's trade deadline that stated Giroux would only accept a trade to Florida before March 19, 2022. I'll wait.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 11:40 PM ET
I can only respond to a few things here, because frankly axn exposed fraud like you isn't worth my time. So let's just go down the list.
1. You are negative about everything the Flyers do, so eventually when something does not work out, you pout your chest and tell everyone how smart you are. Unfortunately for us, a lot has gone wrong for the Flyers over the past few years so you get to bask in all the blackness.
2. You stating I stated Risto is one of the best defenseman in the NHL is pure fantasy. Present evidence or just continue to embarrass yourself. You know what I said and the context in which I said it.
3. Tkachuk and the Panthers completely exposed McAvoy for the weak defenseman he is in last year's playoffs. McAvoy was a turnover machine, just get physical with him on the forecheck, and he will cough up the puck all day long. Figures a fraud like you would like a fraud like McAvoy. Good offensively but all around weak defenseman.
4. I know my own statements. Torts was the best NHL coach last year AND he is the best NHL coach this year, hands down.
5. Finally, I don't lie, that is your department. You could not possibly have stated that Giroux only wanted to go to Florida because that was not reported until well after the trade was completed. All the way up to the deadline, Colorado, Florida and Minnesota where reportedly in on Giroux. Look it up. Find me one publication dated before that year's trade deadline that stated Giroux would only accept a trade to Florida before March 19, 2022. I'll wait.

- jd250


I'll just address this and skip the rest of your nonsense. It was well reported for a couple of weeks that Giroux was only going to waive to go to Florida. before the deal was made. Numerous people were aware of it that posted on here and that was told to you numerous times before the trade was made.

I don't know how it can be that a coach that is hands down the Jack Adams award winner didn't receive a single vote. The coach that did win, received 78 first place votes out of 82 voters but Tortorella was the hands down winner. This is an example of the fantasy world that you live in.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 11:44 PM ET
https://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/180967/thread.php?


"Frost absolutely is a tweener, and IMO will be an AHL player for the most part. He does not have size, so he is not physical. That is OK if he has the speed and can play the game as fast as a player like Johhny G, but Frost is no where close. Frost is not a finisher, we clearly see that. We also see Frost is not good on faceoffs. So you have a small player with average speed, good skill, who can't finish, doesn't hit, is poor on faceoffs and has a problem with consistency away from the puck. I mean, this is what he is .. I am not making this up."

jd250



- MJL

Yes, this is the post in full context. I clearly stated accurately what Frost was at the time. Go back and watch the games he played. Based on what I saw, I did not see him as much more than a tweener, just as I posted.

You tell me, is Frost the same player now as he was then? If not, then why can't my opinion of him change also? Frost has clearly developed. He still needs work on faceoffs, I still want to see him shoot more and he still is on the smallish side. But he has improved his game speed, defense and is even physical when he needs to be. He has developed, thanks in large part to Torts and his staff, and likewise my opinion of Frost has developed also. What is wrong with this?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 11:45 PM ET
But earlier you said I was lying that you said that.
- TheFreak

When you take posts out of context, you are lying.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 11:46 PM ET
Yes, this is the post in full context. I clearly stated accurately what Frost was at the time. Go back and watch the games he played. Based on what I saw, I did not see him as much more than a tweener, just as I posted.

You tell me, is Frost the same player now as he was then? If not, then why can't my opinion of him change also? Frost has clearly developed. He still needs work on faceoffs, I still want to see him shoot more and he still is on the smallish side. But he has improved his game speed, defense and is even physical when he needs to be. He has developed, thanks in large part to Torts and his staff, and likewise my opinion of Frost has developed also. What is wrong with this?

- jd250


No, it was not accurate. You've never been accurate concerning Frost or anything else for that matter. Now you're doing what the Freak says you do and he's right. Trying to move the goalposts.

You're busted jd. Stop being a jackass. You owe numerous people an apology for calling them a liar.

You still keep trying to credit Tortorella for Frost. Bill Meltzer called you out on that the other day. Frost is a good player in spite of Tortorella. Tortorella's handling of Frost has been abysmal. If it was up to Tortorella, Frost would not be a Flyer today. He wanted him gone in November of the 22/23 season


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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 14 @ 11:53 PM ET
I'll just address this and skip the rest of your nonsense. It was well reported for a couple of weeks that Giroux was only going to waive to go to Florida. before the deal was made. Numerous people were aware of it that posted on here and that was told to you numerous times before the trade was made.

I don't know how it can be that a coach that is hands down the Jack Adams award winner didn't receive a single vote. The coach that did win, received 78 first place votes out of 82 voters but Tortorella was the hands down winner. This is an example of the fantasy world that you live in.

- MJL

You should know, but maybe you don't, how these awards work. They are front runner awards, popularity contests, nothing more. Montgomery came to a Bruins team that came off of a 51 win, 107 point season. They were already established as a perennial contender. Now, they had the highest point total in a regular season, but it's not like Monty had to do too much. Just getting out of Cassidy's discipline style was enough to make this happen all by itself. This year people are talking about Tocchet, but he stepped into a team that has Quinn Hughes, Elias Pettersson and a career season from JT Miller. And now the team just got Lindholm. I mean, it's next to impossible to not have a good regular season with a team stacked like this. What does Torts have to work with? He inherited a 61 point team playing for a dysfunctional organization lead by an incompetent fool (not you in this case, Dave Scott) and in cap jail. And now the team in only 2 years in about to make the playoffs. Yes, Torts by far is doing the best coaching job on anyone since joining the Flyers.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Feb 14 @ 11:55 PM ET
When you take posts out of context, you are lying.
- jd250



No me lying is saying something that I know is not true.

I did not lie that you said Frost was an AHL talent.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 11:56 PM ET
You should know, but maybe you don't, how these awards work. They are front runner awards, popularity contests, nothing more. Montgomery came to a Bruins team that came off of a 51 win, 107 point season. They were already established as a perennial contender. Now, they had the highest point total in a regular season, but it's not like Monty had to do too much. Just getting out of Cassidy's discipline style was enough to make this happen all by itself. This year people are talking about Tocchet, but he stepped into a team that has Quinn Hughes, Elias Pettersson and a career season from JT Miller. And now the team just got Lindholm. I mean, it's next to impossible to not have a good regular season with a team stacked like this. What does Torts have to work with? He inherited a 61 point team playing for a dysfunctional organization lead by an incompetent fool (not you in this case, Dave Scott) and in cap jail. And now the team in only 2 years in about to make the playoffs. Yes, Torts by far is doing the best coaching job on anyone since joining the Flyers.
- jd250


That's an absurd post. Again, you claimed that last season Tortorella was the hands down winner of the Jack Adams. He did not receive a single vote. The winner received 78 out of 82 first place votes. Who was the hands down winner? LOL


He's not going to win it this year either.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Feb 14 @ 11:57 PM ET
Seriously, JD you don't know me at all. I am not some idiot.

You are extremely insulting today. I have always kept everything civil...and then today you are on a tirade.

What I posted, many, and I mean many others have stated. You have been overcritical, and you are refusing to back down on it. even after most have called you out on it.

Quit being a jerk.

- TheFreak


Not really
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