Not really
- anti-lame

enlighten me as to when I resorted to name calling and the such

No, it was not accurate. You've never been accurate concerning Frost or anything else for that matter. Now you're doing what the Freak says you do and he's right. Trying to move the goalposts.

You're busted jd. Stop being a jackass. You owe numerous people an apology for calling them a liar.

You still keep trying to credit Tortorella for Frost. Bill Meltzer called you out on that the other day. Frost is a good player in spite of Tortorella. Tortorella's handling of Frost has been abysmal. If it was up to Tortorella, Frost would not be a Flyer today. He wanted him gone in November of the 22/23 season


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=186603&page=9
- MJL

This is Bill's opinion and I respect his opinion, but I don't agree with his opinion. Just because Bil believes something doesn't make him right or you right.

And I am not busted, you just proved me right in the post you dug up. I clearly stated what I thought Frost was at the time, which is 100% what I have stated I posted all along. At the time, I didn't think he would be anything more than an AHL player because that is exactly how he was playing. He has developed, and my opinion has also developed. Again, what is wrong with that? This is how rational people should act. When facts change, their opinions should change accordingly.

That's an absurd post. Again, you claimed that last season Tortorella was the hands down winner of the Jack Adams. He did not receive a single vote. The winner received 78 out of 82 first place votes. Who was the hands down winner? LOL


He's not going to win it this year either.
- MJL

When are you going to get it through your thick skull? I don't care what people voted for. In MY OPINION, Torts is the hands down best coach in the NHL, PERIOD! Mic Drop!

This is Bill's opinion and I respect his opinion, but I don't agree with his opinion. Just because Bil believes something doesn't make him right or you right.

And I am not busted, you just proved me right in the post you dug up. I clearly stated what I thought Frost was at the time, which is 100% what I have stated I posted all along. At the time, I didn't think he would be anything more than an AHL player because that is exactly how he was playing. He has developed, and my opinion has also developed. Again, what is wrong with that? This is how rational people should act. When facts change, their opinions should change accordingly.
- jd250

You stated that Frost will be mainly an AHL player for the most part. You don't even have simple common sense. Frost was not in the AHL at the time. He hasn't been in the AHL since. Your statement implies what he will be for his career. It is not a statement of just what you think he was in that period of time. You don't even understand your own comments. You've embarrassed yourself exponentially more than you normally do tonight. I pity you.

No me lying is saying something that I know is not true.

I did not lie that you said Frost was an AHL talent.
- TheFreak

This is what I posted, from what MJL dug up:

"Frost absolutely is a tweener, and IMO will be an AHL player for the most part."

I NEVER stated Frost was an AHL talent. I said he will be an AHL player FOR THE MOST PART, because at the time that is how he was playing under this 3rd head coach in 2+ seasons. I'm not making this up, its FACT, not opinion.

When are you going to get it through your thick skull? I don't care what people voted for. In MY OPINION, Torts is the hands down best coach in the NHL, PERIOD! Mic Drop!
- jd250

No poop it's your opinion. The voting shows that your opinion is epically stupid. You can't get that through your thick skull! He didn't get a single vote. It's not a popularity contest,

This is what I posted, from what MJL dug up:

"Frost absolutely is a tweener, and IMO will be an AHL player for the most part."

I NEVER stated Frost was an AHL talent. I said he will be an AHL player FOR THE MOST PART, because at the time that is how he was playing under this 3rd head coach in 2+ seasons. I'm not making this up, its FACT, not opinion.
- jd250

That is a ridiculous logic fail. On that note, time for bed. Get a grip jd.

You stated that Frost will be mainly an AHL player for the most part. You don't even have simple common sense. Frost was not in the AHL at the time. He hasn't been in the AHL since. Your statement implies what he will be for his career. It is not a statement of just what you think he was in that period of time. You don't even understand your own comments. You've embarrassed yourself exponentially more than you normally do tonight. I pity you.
- MJL

No, you don't understand because you are thick! At the time, knowing that Frost would have to play in the top 6 to make the NHL, I didn't see him making it because of the way he was playing, and he was on his 3rd head coach in 2+ seasons and struggled under all 3 coaches. To his credit, and to Tort's credit, Frost has developed and thus my opinion also has developed, and honestly I couldn't be happier since now the Flyers have a real asset in their organization. At the time I posted this, Frost was far from being an asset.

That is a ridiculous logic fail. On that note, time for bed. Get a grip jd.
- MJL

It's ridiculous to you because you can't grasp the simplest of concepts, like as facts change opinions change. But you are right about one thing, it's time for bed.

That is a ridiculous logic fail. On that note, time for bed. Get a grip jd.
- MJL

Wow.. Wait a second. You guys actually sleep? I just figured you both discussed frost all night back and forth here without anyone.. like an echo chamber.

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/180967/thread.php?


"Frost absolutely is a tweener, and IMO will be an AHL player for the most part. He does not have size, so he is not physical. That is OK if he has the speed and can play the game as fast as a player like Johhny G, but Frost is no where close. Frost is not a finisher, we clearly see that. We also see Frost is not good on faceoffs. So you have a small player with average speed, good skill, who can't finish, doesn't hit, is poor on faceoffs and has a problem with consistency away from the puck. I mean, this is what he is .. I am not making this up."

jd250



- MJL

The fact you keep a document of dates, times, threads, what people post to go back and reference is without a doubt pure entertainment.

This is what makes my day go by much faster.

Wow.. Wait a second. You guys actually sleep? I just figured you both discussed frost all night back and forth here without anyone.. like an echo chamber.
- Hextall271

he will be back in an hour. 12-16 hours a day 7 days a week. Entertainment at its finest.

I think this sums up the Flyers approach to this trade deadline nicely (from fourth period):

As Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek suggested on “32 Thoughts” last week, extending Walker seemed to be on the table if the Flyers were able to move off of Ristolainen’s contract. Sources have told TFP that the Walker camp is looking for an AAV of at least $5 million; the Flyers would essentially be re-allocating Ristolainen’s money to Walker, in such a scenario. While all options are on the table, I’ve heard, I tend to think extending Walker will be difficult given Ristolainen’s injury and subsequent removal from the Trade Market until the off-season.

In the case of Nick Seeler, the Flyers are still planning to re-sign him as long as the money is right. Talks have yet to pick up, but I’d imagine an AAV in the $2.5M-$3M range is likely the sweet spot.

I think this sums up the Flyers approach to this trade deadline nicely (from fourth period):
- jd250

what's the approach?

he will be back in an hour. 12-16 hours a day 7 days a week. Entertainment at its finest.
- hello it's me 2050

Wow.. Wait a second. You guys actually sleep? I just figured you both discussed frost all night back and forth here without anyone.. like an echo chamber.
- Hextall271

Lmao! Frosty 24/7!

Penguins looking like sellers. Think the isles will be the only team to keep an eye on

And devils. Forgot about them lol
- Just5

they should sell all they can this is year is done imo. then regroup in the off season since they are no going to rebuild.

I would tell the holy trinity we are rebuilding and if you want to stay great, if not tell me where you want to go.

The fact you keep a document of dates, times, threads, what people post to go back and reference is without a doubt pure entertainment.

This is what makes my day go by much faster.
- hello it's me 2050

Lol pure entertainment indeed! It is public record, so I for one am thankful for all the work and time he puts in to keep us entertained.

So on the captains...

They announced yesterday, as we know, that Coots is getting his due and has been named captain. I am 100% ok with that as I don't see Coots ever being traded. I think he will retire as the longest serving Flyer of all time.

TK as an "A"...while his play and skillset, position in the core etc make this a no-brainer...it cements the fact he is not going anywhere and he will be signing here long term. I am fine with the player...he is homegrown, a good player and has a great attitude, I do worry about term and AAV on a new contract. 4 contracts running for at least 6 more years with the current core can spell trouble. I also worry his signing signifies that the Flyers are going to hurry the rebuild, make the same mistakes as yesteryear, and we will again get stuck in the perpetual placement of top 3 in division, but not good enough to really compete in a series with the big boys. We are definitely not just a piece or two away. It is what it is, and signing a guy longterm could be worse. 100% prefer TK at 8 years than I ever liked the concept of Hayes at any years.

Laughton named 2nd "A"....
This one I have issues with. We should be gearing up to trade him...not naming him as an "A". I have always thought Laughton has failed to live up to his draft position, and don't feel he really does anything really well. I just feel that by naming him the "A", we are not looking to trade him. I mean, does it make sense to name the captains, and then trade one a month later? This worries me, as again it seems to signify a rush to the rebuild.

Just my 2 sense. Hope I didn't lie about anything inhere today....

So on the captains...

They announced yesterday, as we know, that Coots is getting his due and has been named captain. I am 100% ok with that as I don't see Coots ever being traded. I think he will retire as the longest serving Flyer of all time.

TK as an "A"...while his play and skillset, position in the core etc make this a no-brainer...it cements the fact he is not going anywhere and he will be signing here long term. I am fine with the player...he is homegrown, a good player and has a great attitude, I do worry about term and AAV on a new contract. 4 contracts running for at least 6 more years with the current core can spell trouble. I also worry his signing signifies that the Flyers are going to hurry the rebuild, make the same mistakes as yesteryear, and we will again get stuck in the perpetual placement of top 3 in division, but not good enough to really compete in a series with the big boys. We are definitely not just a piece or two away. It is what it is, and signing a guy longterm could be worse. 100% prefer TK at 8 years than I ever liked the concept of Hayes at any years.

Laughton named 2nd "A"....
This one I have issues with. We should be gearing up to trade him...not naming him as an "A". I have always thought Laughton has failed to live up to his draft position, and don't feel he really does anything really well. I just feel that by naming him the "A", we are not looking to trade him. I mean, does it make sense to name the captains, and then trade one a month later? This worries me, as again it seems to signify a rush to the rebuild.

Just my 2 sense. Hope I didn't lie about anything inhere today....
- TheFreak

Doesn’t Laughton already where an A?

Doesn’t Laughton already where an A?
- ClaudeFather

He did,but to reintroduce him as an "A" when TK and Coots are introduced as captains is the point. Gives the impression he is not getting traded.

I wish they would have waited to the off season, or until after the trade deadline. Trade Laughton..name the 3 captains in the days afterwards. Now it seems they are sticking with Laughton, which is another big mistake.

Phenomenal article Bill. Thanks for your dedicated time and effort!

So on the captains...

They announced yesterday, as we know, that Coots is getting his due and has been named captain. I am 100% ok with that as I don't see Coots ever being traded. I think he will retire as the longest serving Flyer of all time.

TK as an "A"...while his play and skillset, position in the core etc make this a no-brainer...it cements the fact he is not going anywhere and he will be signing here long term. I am fine with the player...he is homegrown, a good player and has a great attitude, I do worry about term and AAV on a new contract. 4 contracts running for at least 6 more years with the current core can spell trouble. I also worry his signing signifies that the Flyers are going to hurry the rebuild, make the same mistakes as yesteryear, and we will again get stuck in the perpetual placement of top 3 in division, but not good enough to really compete in a series with the big boys. We are definitely not just a piece or two away. It is what it is, and signing a guy longterm could be worse. 100% prefer TK at 8 years than I ever liked the concept of Hayes at any years.

Laughton named 2nd "A"....
This one I have issues with. We should be gearing up to trade him...not naming him as an "A". I have always thought Laughton has failed to live up to his draft position, and don't feel he really does anything really well. I just feel that by naming him the "A", we are not looking to trade him. I mean, does it make sense to name the captains, and then trade one a month later? This worries me, as again it seems to signify a rush to the rebuild.

Just my 2 sense. Hope I didn't lie about anything inhere today....
- TheFreak

as someone mentioned eerier, maybe naming the 2 new "leaders" is a prelude to moving out Laughton.

now I will believe it when I see it.

So on the captains...

They announced yesterday, as we know, that Coots is getting his due and has been named captain. I am 100% ok with that as I don't see Coots ever being traded. I think he will retire as the longest serving Flyer of all time.

TK as an "A"...while his play and skillset, position in the core etc make this a no-brainer...it cements the fact he is not going anywhere and he will be signing here long term. I am fine with the player...he is homegrown, a good player and has a great attitude, I do worry about term and AAV on a new contract. 4 contracts running for at least 6 more years with the current core can spell trouble. I also worry his signing signifies that the Flyers are going to hurry the rebuild, make the same mistakes as yesteryear, and we will again get stuck in the perpetual placement of top 3 in division, but not good enough to really compete in a series with the big boys. We are definitely not just a piece or two away. It is what it is, and signing a guy longterm could be worse. 100% prefer TK at 8 years than I ever liked the concept of Hayes at any years.

Laughton named 2nd "A"....
This one I have issues with. We should be gearing up to trade him...not naming him as an "A". I have always thought Laughton has failed to live up to his draft position, and don't feel he really does anything really well. I just feel that by naming him the "A", we are not looking to trade him. I mean, does it make sense to name the captains, and then trade one a month later? This worries me, as again it seems to signify a rush to the rebuild.

Just my 2 sense. Hope I didn't lie about anything inhere today....
- TheFreak

Laughton already had the "A", so I think he still could be traded. TK wasn't going anywhere this year and pending negotiations in the off season he still could be moved although I doubt it. I have a problem with the Coots and Sanheim contracts, but it is what it is. I like Coots as a player, but I still think that contract is gonna age horribly. I'm just not a huge fan of Sanheim and never really have been, but I've already made that clear. The one good thing here is that the salary cap should go up markedly over the next several years.

So on the captains...

They announced yesterday, as we know, that Coots is getting his due and has been named captain. I am 100% ok with that as I don't see Coots ever being traded. I think he will retire as the longest serving Flyer of all time.

TK as an "A"...while his play and skillset, position in the core etc make this a no-brainer...it cements the fact he is not going anywhere and he will be signing here long term. I am fine with the player...he is homegrown, a good player and has a great attitude, I do worry about term and AAV on a new contract. 4 contracts running for at least 6 more years with the current core can spell trouble. I also worry his signing signifies that the Flyers are going to hurry the rebuild, make the same mistakes as yesteryear, and we will again get stuck in the perpetual placement of top 3 in division, but not good enough to really compete in a series with the big boys. We are definitely not just a piece or two away. It is what it is, and signing a guy longterm could be worse. 100% prefer TK at 8 years than I ever liked the concept of Hayes at any years.

Laughton named 2nd "A"....
This one I have issues with. We should be gearing up to trade him...not naming him as an "A". I have always thought Laughton has failed to live up to his draft position, and don't feel he really does anything really well. I just feel that by naming him the "A", we are not looking to trade him. I mean, does it make sense to name the captains, and then trade one a month later? This worries me, as again it seems to signify a rush to the rebuild.

Just my 2 sense. Hope I didn't lie about anything inhere today....
- TheFreak

I agree that the Flyers are going to repeat the same failed strategies. Couturier is a no brainer for the C. As far as Laughton is concerned. He already had an A and he was heavily rumored to be traded. I know rumors are just rumors but I don't think that changes anything as far as the Flyers plan. What their plan actually is, is anybody's guess.

Signing Konecny to a long term deal in the 9M range is a mistake and if the report is true. Wanting to re-sign Walker in the 5M range is also a mistake.