That's Tortorella. He can't help himself. The negatives far outweigh the positives with this guy.
- MJL

I told you what Frost was 2 years ago and you didn't want to listen to me, and now your only out is it's Tort's fault. Of course it is. Far be it that you are once again wrong with your assessment of a player. I told you Frost is all fluff and no stuff! I see it, Torts sees is, anyone who coaches real hockey sees it. Just accept it and admit that I am once again right, and you are wrong. I am smart and you are dumb. I'm good looking and you are not attractive at all ... well .. by now you know the drill.

Tippett is below-average defensively, not a particularly easy linemate to play with (he rarely finds seams and gets open for passes), goes through stretches where he misses the net far more often than he puts it on net. And the bottom line, Tippett's points-per-game are damn near identical to Frost's -- 0.67 vs. 0.66 -- dating back to early Dec. 2022.

But one's players inconsistencies and perceived flaws get harped on ad nauseum. The other's get excused amid an 8-year contract extension and endless leeway when he isn't on his game.
- bmeltzer

Yes Bill, because one of the players can single-handedly take over a game while the other player can't finish a play and likes to defer to other players. Your not wrong in your assessment of Tippet, you just underestimate the value he adds when he is on his game, versus the value Frost brings to the lineup.

It appears that Ryan Johansen is dealing with injuries and it is still unclear if he'll report to LV - something seemingly out of left field.

Johansen is a buyout candidate this summer (if healthy). Injured players cannot be bought out.

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I told you what Frost was 2 years ago and you didn't want to listen to me, and now your only out is it's Tort's fault. Of course it is. Far be it that you are once again wrong with your assessment of a player. I told you Frost is all fluff and no stuff! I see it, Torts sees is, anyone who coaches real hockey sees it. Just accept it and admit that I am once again right, and you are wrong. I am smart and you are dumb. I'm good looking and you are not attractive at all ... well .. by now you know the drill.
- jd250

You're wrong about Frost and have always been wrong about him. Your post is idiotic rhetoric. To be expected.

I hardly heard Frost's name mentioned as the deadline approached, is there even a market for him? If there isn't, shouldn't that tell us something?

Yes Bill, because one of the players can single-handedly take over a game while the other player can't finish a play and likes to defer to other players. Your not wrong in your assessment of Tippet, you just underestimate the value he adds when he is on his game, versus the value Frost brings to the lineup.
- jd250

You can't claim to know the sport of hockey and claim that you know more than others when you categorize primary assists as deferring to other players. All you're doing is further degrading and embarrassing yourself. The facts tell us that Frost brings more value to the lineup than Tippett.

I hardly heard Frost's name mentioned as the deadline approached, is there even a market for him? If there isn't, shouldn't that tell us something?
- jd250

More stupidity. I hardly heard York's name or Drysdale's name mentioned. Must mean that there was no market for them. Shouldn't that tell us something?

You're not intelligent jd. Simple common sense should keep you from posting that. You obviously don't have any.

And the other's are in the assist department -- weighted toward primaries. But are needed on a team.
- bmeltzer

Still harder to put it in the back of the net Bill; let’s not start pretending two guys with the same points per game while one is scoring more goals is the same thing. The goal scorer always gets the nod.

Still harder to put it in the back of the net Bill; let’s not start pretending two guys with the same points per game while one is scoring more goals is the same thing. The goal scorer always gets the nod.
- ClaudeFather

Goal scorers won't be scoring many goals without someone passing them the puck. The goal scorer gets the glory. The playmaker does the work.

I hardly heard Frost's name mentioned as the deadline approached, is there even a market for him? If there isn't, shouldn't that tell us something?
- jd250

why do you hate him so much

Goal scorers won't be scoring many goals without someone passing them the puck. The goal scorer gets the glory. The playmaker does the work.
- MJL

Talk about hyperbole, stuff it Cliff

Talk about hyperbole, stuff it Cliff
- ClaudeFather

You've quickly reached the limit of your intelligence. It's not hyperbole. It's an often stated sentiment in the sport of hockey. You're trying to make a biased and uninformed argument. It's simply not smart.

why do you hate him so much
- 2Real

Because he wants to be right for once and his head is so far up Torts ass, that when Torts poops, he calls it “taking a JD”

You've quickly reached the limit of your intelligence. It's not hyperbole. It's an often stated sentiment in the sport of hockey. You're trying to make a biased and uninformed argument. It's simply not smart.
- MJL

It’s even dumber in context for this argument because a ton of Tippets goals are either self created or him doing the heavy lifting through a great shot or individual effort. Take a seat, you’re wrong. I’m moving on.

More stupidity. I hardly heard York's name or Drysdale's name mentioned. Must mean that there was no market for them. Shouldn't that tell us something?

You're not intelligent jd. Simple common sense should keep you from posting that. You obviously don't have any.
- MJL

why do you make personal attacks? Does trying to knock someone else down make you feel better about yourself? Usually when someone makes a personal attack means they lose the arguement and thats what they have to resort to

The reality is that the Flyers negotiated with Walker to try and get a new contract done. They wanted to re-sign Walker. His demands were too high for their taste so they moved him.
- MJL

He’s been a good player. You and I have no idea how far negotiations actually got. Not having those conversations is not doing due diligence. It’s a good sign that he was traded.

What is the script. Rebuild, retool, winning 2 games in the first round?
- THE EVIL WITHIN

No one knows if what they or any teams plan will work. The flyers to me appear to be doing what they’re saying which is fielding a competitive club that people can be proud of while placing a premium on the long term picture

Goal scorers won't be scoring many goals without someone passing them the puck. The goal scorer gets the glory. The playmaker does the work.
- MJL

you can get a goal without an assist, cant get an assist without a goal.

It’s even dumber in context for this argument because a ton of Tippets goals are either self created or him doing the heavy lifting through a great shot or individual effort. Take a seat, you’re wrong. I’m moving on.
- ClaudeFather

You're clueless. The context is a comparison between Frost and Tippett and how they're viewed. Both by the coach and the fan base. You're trying to make an ignorant argument by attempting to say that a goal scorer is more important than a playmaker to a team. In reality, they're both important and rely on each other. The goal scorer needs playmakers to create scoring opportunities for them. The playmaker needs a goal scorer to finish their plays.

When we look at all the data, its clear that while both are good young players. Frost has a more positive impact on the team. This is mostly due to Tippett's subpar play away from the puck.

He’s been a good player. You and I have no idea how far negotiations actually got. Not having those conversations is not doing due diligence. It’s a good sign that he was traded.
- Just5

We know they weren't able to reach a deal. That's all we need to know. They didn't trade Walker because they wanted to commit to a rebuild. They traded him because they didn't want to pay him what he wanted. That's what matters. They wanted to re-sign him.

You're clueless. The context is a comparison between Frost and Tippett and how they're viewed. Both by the coach and the fan base. You're trying to make an ignorant argument by attempting to say that a goal scorer is more important than a playmaker to a team. In reality, they're both important and rely on each other. The goal scorer needs playmakers to create scoring opportunities for them. The playmaker needs a goal scorer to finish their plays.

When we look at all the data, its clear that while both are good young players. Frost has a more positive impact on the team. This is mostly due to Tippett's subpar play away from the puck.
- MJL

And now the goal posts have moved. I already agreed with Bill but clearly stated the points per game is the same is not some nod to frost.

And now the goal posts have moved. I already agreed with Bill but clearly stated the points per game is the same is not some nod to frost.
- ClaudeFather

Nothing was moved. You just don't know what the conversation was about. You also have difficulty reading. Bill clearly stated that the points per game were identical. So how was he trying to say that's a nod to Frost? LOL. What he said is the coach has vitriol towards Frost when Frost is an equal to Tippett in point production, while being a significantly better player away from the puck than Tippett. That is what separates them.

Since Frost was moved up in the lineup last season: 0.66 points per game.

Tippett from exact same point: 0.67 points per game.

Both inconsistent. One much improved defensively (Frost), one who is still a defensive liability (Tippett). Yet you'd never know it from the head coach.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ssists&page=0&pageSize=50
- bmeltzer

There's no underlying logic to any of it. Just personal bias.

The same treatment awaits Michkov.

There's no underlying logic to any of it. Just personal bias.

The same treatment awaits Michkov.
- Tomahawk

The sooner they get rid of Tortorella, the better.

Nothing was moved. You just don't know what the conversation was about. You also have difficulty reading. Bill clearly stated that the points per game were identical. So how was he trying to say that's a nod to Frost? LOL. What he said is the coach has vitriol towards Frost when Frost is an equal to Tippett in point production, while being a significantly better player away from the puck than Tippett. That is what separates them.
- MJL

Use your head Cliff. Enjoy the night.