I have them losing and I am already looking to the offseason and how they move forward.

Like do they buyout Atkinson or Johanson. Can Johanson be useful and eventually a TDL move? Can you move Ristolianen or Deslaurier? If i already have Poehling signed and I like Cates, do I really need Laughton or can I move him?

They have a lot to do to get try and build this roster into something for when they want Michkov to come over.
- J35Bacher

Please no more wasted money. It’s likely not needed next year (the extra cap space)

Can’t wait for habs to AGAIN expose these frauds tonight.

Johansen will never play under Torts.

I think people were blinded by the Flyers being a competitive in the worst division in hockey. It's not that the Flyers were that great, it's that they looked better because so much of the division is that bad. Even though the Flyers have failed win a single division game in 3 months, the fact that other teams failed to take advantage of it until the past week allowed people to delude themselves that this was a good team.

The underlying metrics have never been great. People forget that when the Flyers were winning in in OCT and NOV the team was still bad but Hart was playing at something like a .940% in the wins and when he didn't they lost. He only had 1 win the entire season where played average and they won.

A lot of things went the Flyers way early in the season for the Flyers that weren't sustainable or predictors of future success but nobody cared to acknowledge or fix the problems when they were winning.

That being said, tonight is anyone's game and it would be very Flyerslike to drag this out.
- Flyers_01

Flyers fans are starved for success. To the point where they get excited about mediocrity. I said the entire time that the Flyers "success" was a mirage. It was never sustainable. Tortorella's methods are not going to lead to anything. The Flyers are right back in the worst spot a team can be in. Too good to get a high pick and not close to being a contender or even on the path to that. They blew it with the fruit they received in Gauthier.

Anyone have faith in Errson tonight?
- WhiskeyMan

Not really but overall no faith in the team. Expect a lopsided loss.

I'm starting to dread watching the Flyers again like I did all of last year. Their play the last 2 weeks has looked identical to the disaster that was 22/23. We'll see if they have any pride left tonight.

This is exactly how I feel too. I never expected them to compete for a spot this year, but somehow I got sucked into it. And then the epic collapse.
And I have been generally supportive of Torts, even disagreeing with some posters here. But as a coach myself, it is never a good idea to "insult" players into finding their game. Most times has the opposite effect, reduces morale.
Pretty sure we know Jonesy can see this. Wonder how they will approach it in the off season.
Don't even know if I can turn on the game tonight.
- BluehorseShoe64

Jones and Hilferty view Tortorella as the spiritual leader of the team. I would be shocked if he goes anywhere other than by his choice.

I don't think we were blinded at all. They were playing exciting hockey and outworking teams without having the goalies completely sh!t the bed. Certainly, the collapse isn't all on the goalies, but they do play a big part in this recent mess. Simply outworking teams isn't going to cut it all year, especially in the final playoff drive when every team steps up their work ethic. The team looks worn out, have lost their structure which is tantamount on team that's bereft of talent, and the goalies are letting in bad goals way too often. And the coach has mismanaged the situation by going public and embarrassing some of the players, which is demoralizing. Add those factors up and we have what we are watching the past 2 weeks.

The season is over and the worst part of it is that we don't have exciting hockey to watch for the next week. The only potential caveat is that there may be players who are playing for next year, with the Flyers or some other team.
- Letterkenney

Low bar there. Hard working hockey. That should be a base no matter what. Those that thought this team was good weren’t blinded. They were dumb to think it.

And you have PLENTY of exciting hockey to watch. Turn a pens game on… or many other teams.

What EVERYONE should’ve been wanting watching flyers was the young guys getting ice time in ALL scenarios. Instead we got slob fest on coots and nd fights etc while players like frost yo-yo around and brink in and out. Ginning attard lyksell waiting etc etc etc.

Hardly the blueprint to a “rebuild”. Much more like status quo marketing money grab well played as SUCKERS that are flyers fans bought it hook line and sinker for yet another year.


Time to wake up and simply admit it and not accept it anymore. Then MAYBE they will get it. Stop being fools and buying tickets and going to games chanting let’s go flyers as they cream in their pants as the money rolls in.

Flyers fans are starved for success. To the point where they get excited about mediocrity. I said the entire time that the Flyers "success" was a mirage. It was never sustainable. Tortorella's methods are not going to lead to anything. The Flyers are right back in the worst spot a team can be in. Too good to get a high pick and not close to being a contender or even on the path to that. They blew it with the fruit they received in Gauthier.
- MJL

Totally agree 100%.

pro scouts did a hell of job with the Johnson acquisition.

HEY!!! Keep your negative thoughts to yourself, please.
- Letterkenney

exactly..win this with a late 3rd period goal, no OT please

I'm starting to dread watching the Flyers again like I did all of last year. Their play the last 2 weeks has looked identical to the disaster that was 22/23. We'll see if they have any pride left tonight.

- Letterkenney

I agree. I really need to finish the taxes tonight and I may choose that over watching the game. I just can't stomach this sh!t anymore.

Flyers fans are starved for success. To the point where they get excited about mediocrity. I said the entire time that the Flyers "success" was a mirage. It was never sustainable. Tortorella's methods are not going to lead to anything. The Flyers are right back in the worst spot a team can be in. Too good to get a high pick and not close to being a contender or even on the path to that. They blew it with the fruit they received in Gauthier.
- MJL

Don't you get tired of trumpeting the same sh!t on here day after day? We get it!! You were right, but just make sure you employ the same principal when you are wrong. Thanks!

Don't you get tired of trumpeting the same sh!t on here day after day? We get it!! You were right, but just make sure you employ the same principal when you are wrong. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Don't you get tired of making yourself look stupid and juvenile? I guess not. Recent examples of me admitting and acknowledging that I was wrong was concerning my belief that the Flyers were going to make the playoffs doesn't seem like it's going to be right. This was in direct conversation with you. I guess that you don't remember that. Also when I said I thought the Flyers were going to win the Columbus game. Didn't see that pathetic performance coming. It's all there but guys like you just can't comprehend

Don't you get tired of making yourself look stupid and juvenile? I guess not. Recent examples of me admitting and acknowledging that I was wrong was concerning my belief that the Flyers were going to make the playoffs doesn't seem like it's going to be right. This was in direct conversation with you. I guess that you don't remember that. Also when I said I thought the Flyers were going to win the Columbus game. Didn't see that pathetic performance coming. It's all there but guys like you just can't comprehend
- MJL

I'm calling you out. That isn't stupid or juvenile. Maybe try to employ that self awareness thing that you tell everyone else to employ. Comments like "I knew it the entire time" are annoying. I'll be glad to shake your hand if we ever meet in person!
Now that would be a hoot if all the locals on here actually met somewhere. Just make sure you keep me from wiping the floor up with BH and all should be good.

I'm calling you out. That isn't stupid or juvenile. Maybe try to employ that self awareness thing that you tell everyone else to employ. Comments like "I knew it the entire time" are annoying. I'll be glad to shake your hand if we ever meet in person!
Now that would be a hoot if all the locals on here actually met somewhere. Just make sure you keep me from wiping the floor up with BH and all should be good.
- Phillywhiteout

Calling me out for what, being right?


The comment of wiping the floor with BH is an example of juvenile and stupid.

Calling me out for what, being right?


The comment of wiping the floor with BH is an example of juvenile and stupid.
- MJL

Calling you out for being obnoxious about telling everyone that your right 55 times a day. That's all...

Calling you out for being obnoxious about telling everyone that your right 55 times a day. That's all...
- Phillywhiteout

You calling out someone for being obnoxious. There has never been a more ironic statement made in the history of hockeybuzz.

I'm going to do you a favor and give you some advice. You have really two choices. Deal with it or ignore it. I'm not going to apologize to you or anyone else for knowing what I'm talking about with the sport of hockey. The best thing for you to do is learn from it.

You calling out someone for being obnoxious. There has never been a more ironic statement made in the history of hockeybuzz.
- MJL

Are you inferring that I am obnoxious? Come on man, I'm the most gentile guy on here and you know it! I am a class act from top to bottom!

You calling out someone for being obnoxious. There has never been a more ironic statement made in the history of hockeybuzz.

I'm going to do you a favor and give you some advice. You have really two choices. Deal with it or ignore it. I'm not going to apologize to you or anyone else for knowing what I'm talking about with the sport of hockey. The best thing for you to do is learn from it.
- MJL

I'm not really asking for an apology or advice. You do you! I'm just kind of in one of my smart ass moods. You actually don't bother me that much.

Can we please not this FN BS banter where people attack each other. This is a hockey board. I come here less because of all the BS. I just would like a place where hockey is discussed.

Please no more wasted money. It’s likely not needed next year (the extra cap space)
- mikeyo27

It's either wasted roster spot or they retain money in a trade. If push came to shove I would rather keep those retain slots so maybe there is something better I can do at the TDL or a bigger deal in the offseason. I just don't see both of those guys on the roster after this season.

Don't you get tired of trumpeting the same sh!t on here day after day? We get it!! You were right, but just make sure you employ the same principal when you are wrong. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

No, I don't he is right at all!

Can we please not this FN BS banter where people attack each other. This is a hockey board. I come here less because of all the BS. I just would like a place where hockey is discussed.
- WhiskeyMan

but there would only be 10 comments then.

Can we please not this FN BS banter where people attack each other. This is a hockey board. I come here less because of all the BS. I just would like a place where hockey is discussed.
- WhiskeyMan

You calling out someone for being obnoxious. There has never been a more ironic statement made in the history of hockeybuzz.

I'm going to do you a favor and give you some advice. You have really two choices. Deal with it or ignore it. I'm not going to apologize to you or anyone else for knowing what I'm talking about with the sport of hockey. The best thing for you to do is learn from it.
- MJL

sniffin that ass again I see