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I’ll see if I can find the link, sorry. He mentioned that Michkov was more playmaker than scoring threat, while Demidov was both. Also mentioned that Demidov’s skills were better in most offensive areas, and that two way play is easier for Demidov than Michkov. - ObeseOprah
Second hand info, but what I've read was that Michkov is more of a goal scorer while Demidov was more of a playmaker, but that they are considered kind of similar in terms of who is better. I think Michkov got to play more against men (KHL) and Demidov played more against lower level competition. (MHL)
I think the people that are high on Demidov point to his production in Russian Jr as being better, but it's hard to compare as at the same age Michkov was playing in the KHL rather than back to Jr. Probably going to take time to see who really is, but Michkov being exactly one year older (their birthdays one day apart) he is obviously further along the development curve right now. |
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I don't know who the hell they are going to draft. Hopefully they are right on whoever it is - BetweenTheDots
Just have to trust KD is smart enough to weigh the evidence and make the right choice. I will choose to have faith in KD more than any other reason is this: He really cannot get this wrong; he has to pursue due diligence. The issue may boil down to, cannot be sure Lindstrom or Demidov won’t have the issues develop which have been noted
If you are safe take Leveshunov. Kind of hoping though that KD decides not to go with the dman.
I would prefer a forward at #2 and it is a close call. While Lindstrom might be held more valuable for his size and pugnacious play, I have to wonder if he may not become a big scorer. Nonetheless similar to Byfield he could be a load to handle and teams need a center like Byfield/Lindstrom
Forced to choose though I believe you win with the talent first not the brawn therefore I take Demidov
I am not convinced that Leveshunov is going to grade out as a top end first pair more than D*ckinson but would be thrilled if we move up and draft either. I ask my scouts who they like more but the prospects who play RD might sway to select. Not knowing how the future pans out for each of the dmen presently here and those who could be drafted, a RD is better or prudent selection at #6 unless your scouts really like someone else more.
I tend to shy away from Buiun and Parekt - perhaps unfairly - due to the reporting that they could be too soft. They may turn out to not have a big issue with that issue
I am aware though not to have too many prospects too much alike. Would D*ckinson be too much like Phillips? Maybe not if D*ckinson is mean and willingly checks.
I don’t know if the scouts are too divided upon how good defensively Yaremchuk turns out, but would love to take him at # 6 instead of others if scouts can agree. You win games with players go can attack like Yaremchuk |
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I do. It’s the guy half the board will love and half the board will say they reached for him. - Chunk
That's a stretch, Chunk. Barely half the board liked Kane! The only guy liked by half the board was Hossa. Seabs would got there but he was hammered for his contract at the end. |
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Just have to trust KD is smart enough to weigh the evidence and make the right choice. I will choose to have faith in KD more than any other reason is this: He really cannot get this wrong; he has to pursue due diligence. The issue may boil down to, cannot be sure Lindstrom or Demidov won’t have the issues develop which have been noted
If you are safe take Leveshunov. Kind of hoping though that KD decides not to go with the dman.
I would prefer a forward at #2 and it is a close call. While Lindstrom might be held more valuable for his size and pugnacious play, I have to wonder if he may not become a big scorer. Nonetheless similar to Byfield he could be a load to handle and teams need a center like Byfield/Lindstrom
Forced to choose though I believe you win with the talent first not the brawn therefore I take Demidov
I am not convinced that Leveshunov is going to grade out as a top end first pair more than D*ckinson but would be thrilled if we move up and draft either. I ask my scouts who they like more but the prospects who play RD might sway to select. Not knowing how the future pans out for each of the dmen presently here and those who could be drafted, a RD is better or prudent selection at #6 unless your scouts really like someone else more.
I tend to shy away from Buiun and Parekt - perhaps unfairly - due to the reporting that they could be too soft. They may turn out to not have a big issue with that issue
I am aware though not to have too many prospects too much alike. Would D*ckinson be too much like Phillips? Maybe not if D*ckinson is mean and willingly checks.
I don’t know if the scouts are too divided upon how good defensively Yaremchuk turns out, but would love to take him at # 6 instead of others if scouts can agree. You win games with players go can attack like Yaremchuk - jhawk59
You win regular season games when you attack, you win playoffs when you defend.
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That's a stretch, Chunk. Barely half the board liked Kane! The only guy liked by half the board was Hossa. Seabs would got there but he was hammered for his contract at the end. - mohel
Yeah, imagine if he was like Magic Gus!! Everyone would have loved him then. |
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You win regular season games when you attack, you win playoffs when you defend. - paulr
You need guys who'd rather sniff smelling salts than lavender, Chief. Ya know, mouth breathers; the type that laugh when you punch 'em. |
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You win regular season games when you attack, you win playoffs when you defend. - paulr
Blackhawks are very proud to select from OHL London Knights..Sam Richardinson! |
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Second hand info, but what I've read was that Michkov is more of a goal scorer while Demidov was more of a playmaker, but that they are considered kind of similar in terms of who is better. I think Michkov got to play more against men (KHL) and Demidov played more against lower level competition. (MHL)
I think the people that are high on Demidov point to his production in Russian Jr as being better, but it's hard to compare as at the same age Michkov was playing in the KHL rather than back to Jr. Probably going to take time to see who really is, but Michkov being exactly one year older (their birthdays one day apart) he is obviously further along the development curve right now. - breadbag
My mistake, I got it reversed on the scoring vs playmaking. |
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Blackhawks are very proud to select from OHL London Knights..Sam Richardinson! - MjulQvist
Interesting. What do you like about him more than Levshunov? I'm not saying anything against him at all. It's just that most of what I've read is that Levshunov is the most complete D-man available.
I always love when guys are projected to be a top 2 or 3 pick, then the only issue is that there is too much time to pick them apart. |
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Interesting. What do you like about him more than Levshunov? I'm not saying anything against him at all. It's just that most of what I've read is that Levshunov is the most complete D-man available.
I always love when guys are projected to be a top 2 or 3 pick, then the only issue is that there is too much time to pick them apart. - Chunk
Skating, defending, IQ..almost a year younger.
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My mistake, I got it reversed on the scoring vs playmaking. - ObeseOprah
Honestly, at the end of the day probably both guys will be pretty effective at putting up points. Goals or Assists.
If we draft Demidov and/or bring over Kantserov, I hope we look at adding a veteran Russian player to help them feel more at ease. Even if it's a depth player who doesn't play every night, it would be good to have someone here that first year or two in that scenario. |
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paulr
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You need guys who'd rather sniff smelling salts than lavender, Chief. Ya know, mouth breathers; the type that laugh when you punch 'em. - mohel
I laugh when I get punched but it has more to do with my diminished capacities than my toughness. |
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Honestly, at the end of the day probably both guys will be pretty effective at putting up points. Goals or Assists.
If we draft Demidov and/or bring over Kantserov, I hope we look at adding a veteran Russian player to help them feel more at ease. Even if it's a depth player who doesn't play every night, it would be good to have someone here that first year or two in that scenario. - breadbag
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Honestly, at the end of the day probably both guys will be pretty effective at putting up points. Goals or Assists.
If we draft Demidov and/or bring over Kantserov, I hope we look at adding a veteran Russian player to help them feel more at ease. Even if it's a depth player who doesn't play every night, it would be good to have someone here that first year or two in that scenario. - breadbag
I’ve wanted Orlov on this team for years. |
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I am gonna guess that Zeev Buium can drop down, but not to #18 slot.
Anton Silayev is more likely to have teams thinking twice and passing.
The story of the Buium brothers (Shai & Zeev), sons of Israeli nationals migrating to San Diego never skating until they took a firld trip see their cousin play, and fell in love with the game.
After the early pronouncemnet that this draft was "first pair" defenseman heavy, i believe the critics have come back to Earth, realizing that despite the fact the big six defense prospects are all so different in skills and toolboxes; a Carter Yakemchuk has as much of a chance to impact a NHL roster as all of the rest.
FOUR of the big six, have very desirable size.
Both Parekh and Buium are going to make you decide just what their high impact on the offensive side, and will accept what you see as their current defensive high water mark, and accept it for the offense.
This is true whether they are finished growing at six foot or he actually grew some. I just don't see climbing up the board for Buium.
(Remeber eveyone grows about an inch when the NHL programs are printed.
I am lovin me some Memorial Cup - wiz1901
Wiz, are you mixing guys up or do you think Buium is below or even average defensively? Besides being near elite in gap control Buium's reads (brains) in all 3 zones are better IMO than any draft eligible Dman (except for Parekh in the Ozone). ..... This kid breaks up plays and gets the puck out of his zone quick with his feet or brains. At the NCAA level, as a true freshman.
Would not surprise me a bit if Buium ends up the best Dman out of his class and yea, I'm one who sees D!ckinson, Silayev, Levshunov and Buium with "1st pairing" upside. You don't?
Now, will all 4 of these guys be 1st pairing NHL Dmen? Top 2 NHL Dmen are rare so the odds say no but it's also rare, but less so, that a prospect has the tools to even project as a top 2 guy and IMO there are 4 in this draft. ...... You don't? |
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The Blackhawks re-sign Z Sanford to a 1 year, 2-way deal. |
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Looks like Misiak got a deal
https://twitter.com/NHLBl...hq9zuT0uX_9O2hHKY44Q&s=19 - BetweenTheDots
Mis bust or Bustiak? Interested to see what he can do next year in Rockford.
Rockford is already getting stuffed full of prospects
Dach - Slaggert - Rolston
Savoie - Saarela - Hayes
Luypen - Ludwinski
Misiak
and Marcel 2 if he get signed again
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The Blackhawks re-sign Z Sanford to a 1 year, 2-way deal. - DarthKane
The Hawks finally get Bedard a linemate. |
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The Hawks finally get Bedard a linemate. - Chunk
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Misbust or Bustiak? Interested to see what he can do next year in Rockford.
Rockford is already getting stuffed full of prospects
Dach - Slaggert - Rolston
Savoie - Saarela - Hayes
Luypen - Ludwinski
Misiak
and Marcel2 if he get signed again - totem
I'm wondering about Marcel Marcel, since he didn't have the best season in Rockford and ended up in the ECHL at the start of March.
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Second hand info, but what I've read was that Michkov is more of a goal scorer while Demidov was more of a playmaker, but that they are considered kind of similar in terms of who is better. I think Michkov got to play more against men (KHL) and Demidov played more against lower level competition. (MHL)
I think the people that are high on Demidov point to his production in Russian Jr as being better, but it's hard to compare as at the same age Michkov was playing in the KHL rather than back to Jr. Probably going to take time to see who really is, but Michkov being exactly one year older (their birthdays one day apart) he is obviously further along the development curve right now. - breadbag
They wont allow demidov to play in the khl because he declared he wanted to go to ythe nhl after his current contract expires after this upcoming season. |
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I think its fair to expect 30 goals, minimum. - DarthKane
I mean Connor McDavid has a Zach (Hyman), so it's only fair that we have a Zach (Sanford) for Bedard. Probably gonna be the exact same results from the Connor -Zach combination. Definitely. |
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Mr Ricochet
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Interesting. What do you like about him more than Levshunov? I'm not saying anything against him at all. It's just that most of what I've read is that Levshunov is the most complete D-man available.
I always love when guys are projected to be a top 2 or 3 pick, then the only issue is that there is too much time to pick them apart. - Chunk
Watch D!ckinson for even a little while and you can see some Shea Weber in him. ... Kid is 6ft 3in 200ish lbs and at the CHL Prospect Game weekend he finished 2nd in the skating portion of the skills events. 2nd! And he hits like a train with the feet to carry the thing from end to end and the hands to finish.
Physical, mobile and mean in his end with a fine reach and stick. Tons and tons of poise allows him to dictate terms and pace. ..... Skates effortlessly with the forwards when he jumps in as a 4th forward.... Showing em all in the Memorial Cup he has the offense people question. Kid walks the line with poise and fantastic feet, when he sees a seam he snaps it off and it bites and is accurate. Many times bar down or post and in from 40 ft.
BUT, on his team he's 2nd pairing and 2nd unit PP!! Already drafted on the loaded London squad are Dmen George and Bonk who are 1st pairing. On the #1 PP they use 1 Dman, Bonk, and he's the net front guy!!....... So, some will question D!ckinson cuz he ain't taking the opponents top line.
He too could very well be the best Dman of this class when the careers are done. |
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They wont allow demidov to play in the khl because he declared he wanted to go to ythe nhl after his current contract expires after this upcoming season. - LFS
Yep, that was his punishment, but just pointing out he hasn't played against men very much and we haven't seen as much of him. |
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