It's really a 8-10 year process overall. You can certainly compete and win some in the playoffs along the way but overall that's what it's going to take. The more the Flyers try and cheat the process. The longer it's going to take. A case can be made that the drafting of Michkov, if he works out. Is the start of it. For the Flyers to add the added elite talent that it's going to take, plus development time. Looking at somewhere in the next decade for this team. If they adopt the correct plan. They never will.
- MJL

The sad part is I think a lot of people realize that and the Flyers keep restarting the clock with poor decisions after poor decisions.

The Flyers timeline is predicated on a special anniversary, they either want to win the cup on their 50th or 100th anniversary since their last cup.
- Glak18

That is funny!!

Also kind of depends of the definition of hitting on a pick. Some would say getting a 1st rounder that plays X amount of games in the NHL is hitting on a pick. Is Laughton hitting on a pick? They got a solid NHL player with the pick and the Flyers do a decent job at hitting on those picks. The Flyers need to figure out how to bunt on a pick and get a homerun out of it for once.
- Glak18

agree, but hitting on a pick for a playoff team and a contending team is different. Tampa hit with Point, that is the kind of hits they need. Just as important as 1st round picks are a volume 2nd round and later. The Flyers missed on to many first, then you think of Allison, Laberge and Ratcliffe as 2nd rounders, Throw in a Patrick and Rubstov and just wow. Don't even go back to 2013 and 2014, just ugly.

https://www.hockeydb.com/...aft/teams/dr00007439.html

That was under chuckles , the Flyers at the time were the bronze standard of the nhl, now they are the gold standard

Big difference
- corduroy

Again, talking about Rizzo/TDA swap where we heard the trade was going down for weeks and it kinda kept dragging on before it finally happened in two stages.

https://www.thefourthperi...rk-trade-talks-picking-up

Rumblings Wednesday over a potential Ottawa/Philadelphia trade have led to endless speculation over what that could mean. I’m not sure what it may look like, but here’s what we know: the Flyers have had interest in Jakob Chychrun and the Senators have had interest in Scott Laughton. Philly is also looking to move up in the Draft. Do the dots connect?

Also on the Flyers, they are open to trading winger Joel Farabee and have been shopping him.

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/ullmark-trade-talks-picking-up

Rumblings Wednesday over a potential Ottawa/Philadelphia trade have led to endless speculation over what that could mean. I’m not sure what it may look like, but here’s what we know: the Flyers have had interest in Jakob Chychrun and the Senators have had interest in Scott Laughton. Philly is also looking to move up in the Draft. Do the dots connect?

Also on the Flyers, they are open to trading winger Joel Farabee and have been shopping him.
- hello it's me 2050

Could you imagine if some how Briere shocks us all and moves Laughton, Farabee and Konecny in moves and comes back with packages that include picks 7 and 11 along with 12 and 32.

Could you imagine if some how Briere shocks us all and moves Laughton, Farabee and Konecny in moves and comes back with packages that include picks 7 and 11 along with 12 and 32.
- J35Bacher

A team without Laughton, Farabee & Konecny will make Torts look bad.

A team without Laughton, Farabee & Konecny will make Torts look bad.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

That team would finish in bottom 3 also, and I am just fine with that so next year we can go after one of the Top end centers in the draft.

Defensemen this year center next year is how they should play it.

It's really a 8-10 year process overall. You can certainly compete and win some in the playoffs along the way but overall that's what it's going to take. The more the Flyers try and cheat the process. The longer it's going to take. A case can be made that the drafting of Michkov, if he works out. Is the start of it. For the Flyers to add the added elite talent that it's going to take, plus development time. Looking at somewhere in the next decade for this team. If they adopt the correct plan. They never will.
- MJL

“No teams fanbase will agree to a 10 year rebuild”~mjl

A team without Laughton, Farabee & Konecny will make Torts look bad.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Not if they trade/sign 3 Ryan Poehlings.

Could you imagine if some how Briere shocks us all and moves Laughton, Farabee and Konecny in moves and comes back with packages that include picks 7 and 11 along with 12 and 32.
- J35Bacher

I’d personally drive to Philly and give db that hauk-tuah… spit in that thang

It's really a 8-10 year process overall. You can certainly compete and win some in the playoffs along the way but overall that's what it's going to take. The more the Flyers try and cheat the process. The longer it's going to take. A case can be made that the drafting of Michkov, if he works out. Is the start of it. For the Flyers to add the added elite talent that it's going to take, plus development time. Looking at somewhere in the next decade for this team. If they adopt the correct plan. They never will.
- MJL

Ok, then forget about a rebuild and let’s just do some crazy poop. I’m not going to live forever and I want some fun hockey before I croak.

Could you imagine if some how Briere shocks us all and moves Laughton, Farabee and Konecny in moves and comes back with packages that include picks 7 and 11 along with 12 and 32.
- J35Bacher

In theory sounds great and I would be ok with that, but a little concerned so many 1sts in one draft class will most certainly come with duds.

The other issue I can't get over is, it's not always the GM (Briere in this case) that doesn't want to move pieces, every single GM wants to move players, but there has to be a taker. Just because a player has value to the current team doesn't mean any other teams are willing to pay the price for that player at that time.

I like Farabee, but are you saying he is that unique of a player other teams don't have similar already? Then on top pay a price for that player...

Forget about the stat history of players, what do they provide to the team when they get them? Every player starts off with 0 points right after they get traded, so if they scored 20/30 goals do they score that again in the new environment, less/more minutes?

“No teams fanbase will agree to a 10 year rebuild”~mjl
- Stayin alive

MJL is the smartest poster on hockeybuzz"- Stayin alive

Ok, then forget about a rebuild and let’s just do some crazy poop. I’m not going to live forever and I want some fun hockey before I croak.
- Dkos

I've experienced plenty of fun hockey in my life. My sights are set higher.

Trading Farabee is a mistake in my opinion. Unless the return is substantial and they jettison TK/Laughton.

Trading Farabee is a mistake in my opinion. Unless the return is substantial and they jettison TK/Laughton.
- StepfordSam

I don't know anything about this draft and I think that Farabee is a good player who can get better. However, if you have a chance to move up in the draft and snag a potential #1 defenseman or center by trading Farabee. You have to do it.

Besides the LEAGUE bailing teams out, not many teams have "tanked" for a short span and were successful. It all comes down to the person's definition of when the tank began.

As an example just look at Tampa's 1st round selection looks like from the beginning, there's a clear pattern.

Not many teams have won a cup when they are drafting consistently in the teens and higher 5 years or more before winning it.

Pissburgh took 7-8 years (not when they drafted Crosby) when they started to rebuild before they won a cup. Edmonton is already on year 8-9 now (not including pre-McDavid tank years) before reaching the finals.

If it takes 8-10 years to do it when drafting generational talent, how long does it take if you just get a top 10 pick here and there?

Answer: start at 50 and guess.
- Glak18

Edmonton’s issue was they kept drafting forwards. From 2004-2017, they drafted only 2 defenseman in the first round. This contributed to them continuing to struggle in the 4 years after he was selected, where they had 3 more top 10 picks. Bouchard finally developing into a top pair defenseman is a big reason they’re in the Final. Chiarelli was hired in 2015 right before they took McDavid but he couldn’t right the ship because it’s nearly impossible to acquire top pair defenseman outside of the draft. Even Holland has struggled to fix that hole until Bouchard, a 2018 pick, developed internally.

That is why I badly want the Flyers to move up to get one of them in this draft. As we’ve seen with Edmonton, even having the offensive firepower they have, defense has held them back for most of McDavid’s career. Defenseman take longer to develop so you need to get them in the organization as early as possible. Michkov not coming over right away could work to the Flyers advantage if they would embrace the rebuild. They could move up to get one of the defenseman this year. Then in the next 2 years hopefully draft a 1C & 2C. Michkov then comes over and you’ve got a strong core to build around.

I don't know anything about this draft and I think that Farabee is a good player who can get better. However, if you have a chance to move up in the draft and snag a potential #1 defenseman or center by trading Farabee. You have to do it.
- MJL

In theory you are trading Farabee and Yackemchuck (12) for Richardinson (7). All theoretical but a way to look at it. I guess if you think you are getting a #1 vs a #3 D you strongly consider it. I personally don’t love the idea but in this light it isn’t terrible. I’d prefer to trade Laughton to move up if that is the play and possible. I think (young and cost controlled) Farabee is part of the solution in Philly.

Could you imagine if some how Briere shocks us all and moves Laughton, Farabee and Konecny in moves and comes back with packages that include picks 7 and 11 along with 12 and 32.
- J35Bacher

I’d be curious to see the deals that allow him to get 7 & 11 while keeping 12 & 32.

That team would finish in bottom 3 also, and I am just fine with that so next year we can go after one of the Top end centers in the draft.

Defensemen this year center next year is how they should play it.
- Flyerloon

Yep, and 2026 too. Goal should be one of Hagans or McKenna between the ‘25 & ‘26 drafts.

MJL is the smartest poster on hockeybuzz"- Stayin alive
- MJL

Lmao well played sir… well played indeed

I’d be curious to see the deals that allow him to get 7 & 11 while keeping 12 & 32.
- Schmojo

Tk + probably gets you 11. Can’t imagine getting 7 without giving up 12 or 32 involved somehow.

https://x.com/ArizonaCoyo...tatus/1804275335514517618

It appears as though the dream is dead in Arizona.

Not against a team being there, but for God's sake, the league has to find a competent ownership group... something that never really existed in the history of the Coyotes.

So is the consensus Silayev will not be the 2nd Dman off the board? Obviously, the Flyers have done extensive scouting in Russia the last few years. Silayev is such a unicorn from measureable and skating speed, they may view him with more offensive upside then the rest of the league.