Yeah. Can’t argue that. I guess if you can find an NHL player that late, even a 3rd/4th liner you take it and maybe it has value somewhere. I don’t like those kinds of picks inside the first 2 rounds.

Guess they felt differently.
- peesinwind

correct you need to take your shot on high ceiling types imo.

you can find those other types later and you should be able to develop them as well. flyers haven't even been able to develop a 4th line center in god knows how many years. comical really. hell 4th line players period.

$10m/yr was rumored to be what he was looking for a few months ago.

I would have guessed he would come down a little after a few recent signings, but this could just be his agent starting with a high price to hear how Philly counters.

I bet he’d be over the moon with 9, so they’re playing this knowing the Flyers would want to be near 8, and if nothing can get done, then worst case for him is he leaves this rebuilding team and can strike a deal a year later when the market is reset.
- Hesh_

they know the flyers will not trade him so he is standing pat.

who do you think blinks first?

they know the flyers will not trade him so he is standing pat.

who do you think blinks first?
- hello it's me 2050

His agent knows he’s holding the cards.

The only way they lose is if he suffers a significant injury between now and his next deal.

$10m/yr was rumored to be what he was looking for a few months ago.

I would have guessed he would come down a little after a few recent signings, but this could just be his agent starting with a high price to hear how Philly counters.

I bet he’d be over the moon with 9, so they’re playing this knowing the Flyers would want to be near 8, and if nothing can get done, then worst case for him is he leaves this rebuilding team and can strike a deal a year later when the market is reset.
- Hesh_

Loved when they moved up to draft TK. Was even more excited to see him develop into a quality NHL so quickly. He is good. Not great but good (subjectively). I would rather see him flipped for strong capital helping this years team finish lower, then signing him to 9+ mil for years into his mid 30’s.

Loved when they moved up to draft TK. Was even more excited to see him develop into a quality NHL so quickly. He is good. Not great but good (subjectively). I would rather see him flipped for strong capital helping this years team finish lower, then signing him to 9+ mil for years into his mid 30’s.
- peesinwind

Yeah, I’m saying 9 would still be such a significant aav he’d be thrilled.

He knows he’s in the 8s. They’d like it to be upper 8s. By saying 10, I think it just clarifies to Danny not to bother with any offers in the 7s.

Reinhart and Guentzel deals kinda hurt his ambitions for even 9. Lindholm helped a little, though.

***** Briere was left with almost 0 org depth at this position. Not sure what the issue is here. If they drafted no centers you would be complaining they did not draft any centers...

***** Why would they not think Jett can be a "#1" center? Their scouts have seen him play. Have you? Has anyone here actually seen him play in person? Anyone? Why are dmen taken after him projected 1 D, but Jett is not a 1C? This is agenda driven nonsense based on nothing.

***** Conversely, next yrs draft is already rated better and most likely that pick will be closer to the 20s than the Edm 2024 finish. Also, they will be trading 1 or more of those 6 top 45 or so picks and that draft pick prob has more nhl asset value than whatever player they would have drafted at 32 this yr. This is an example of the kind of decision you make when you rebuild. If you as a fan really want a rebuild you must be prepared to wait on assets used.

***** Playmaking and outstanding PP player are grinder qualities? Blazing speed and good in front of the next are grinder qualities? It's not 100% he will be a 1C, but the kid is almost a full yr younger than most. You almost have to wait until the conclusion of this upcoming year and then base his 24/25 play against others drafted around him and their play in 23/24. The Flyers took a risk that his play will continue to improve and the 25 Jett will prob slot in the top 7 or 8 in that 24 draft class. Thats the kind of a risk you take in a rebuild.

***** I hate to state the obvious, but they did draft the biggest player out of Russia since OV. How does that point not force you to hedge this paragraph with at least a modicum of objectivity and credibility? If you want to argue they should have taken the dman at 12, I think thats a sound argument, but discrediting the player they drafted at 13 is a bit shortsighted at this point simply because you never saw him play. Ever... his age and his skillset are forecastable as a 1C
- 26912 PP

It's really hard to respond when you mix your response into random spots of the original post but i think i have all the sections?

Centers. The next draft has been endlessly hyped for centers so, no, I wouldn't have cared if they drafted centers in this draft. My understanding is that they could draft better/more centers next draft without having to move up so why wouldn't they do that? Even the 2 centers they did draft in the 2nd and 4th aren't projected to have an offensive impact on the team, if they even make it to the NHL so why should i be excited about them?

Your opinion is not based on anything other than wanting to give the Flyers the benefit of the doubt. Mine is based on what scouts have published. Not saying it's correct but i have a better basis.

You are doing alot of optimistic projecting regarding EDM pick. You could be right but EDM may go deep in the playoffs again so you can't count on it being in the low 20s. I didn't say it was a bad decision, I just said it isn't the stroke of genius some made it out to be. Without knowing who the Flyers would've drafted this year with it and who they draft next year with it, who can say?

I will say if the Flyers had drafted Buium and then Jett with the (32nd+ 2nd rnd pick (or even both 2nds) I would be much happier with the draft than the 2 stiffs they drafted in the 2nd. 2 players that could potentially play in the top 6/1st pair of the lineup and be excited about. That's the type of risk i am looking for in the Flyers. You are more optimistic on what the Flyers do (can do) with those picks than i am.

Jett. He is a physical high energy player who is an above average skater and has trouble scoring. Other than his excellent skating, absolutely what you look in your energy line players. Will he be more than that, yes, but the Flyers have a "type" of player they look for.

They drafted Michkov because it was a no-brainer. I can't give them credit for picking what many thought was the 2nd most skilled player in the draft at 7th. Again with Jett, how/who has forecasted his skills as 1C?

Looked up that draft since you mentioned it. Man, only 21 franchises then. I’ve forgotten what it was like to have any of the big 4 with so few teams. Anyway…

1st Round -
Mike Ricci (4th)

2nd Round -
Chris Simon (25)
Mikael Renberg (40)
Terran Sandwith (42)

3rd Round -

Kimbi Daniels (44)
Bill Armstrong (46)
Chris Therrien (47)

Al Kinisky was 52nd.

4 solid NHL hits. Ofc some dude named Jagr was the 5th overall selection, but hey, Ricci was a coveted piece by the Nords in the Lindros deal, so travel the butterfly effect if you want, but no need really.
- Hesh_

Ricci played 2 seasons for the Flyers. I don't see how the Lindros trade 2 years after Ricci was tdrafted would have anything to do with were Ricci was drafted or who they drafted him over. That trade wasn't 2 years in the making. Just saying.

Ricci played 2 seasons for the Flyers. I don't see how the Lindros trade 2 years after Ricci was tdrafted would have anything to do with were Ricci was drafted or who they drafted him over. That trade wasn't 2 years in the making. Just saying.
- TheFreak

I was only hinting that the pick turned out useful regardless of what ended up happening, and that there didn’t need to be whining over a 34 year old choice.

It never occurred to me that someone would take that how you did. It’s obviously illogical to go down that path. Nobody else did.

Lately there just always seems to be a lot of drama around the Flyers. Not saying it’s the Flyers fault (some blame in some of the situations) but jeeez.

Quitter

Carter Hart

Koloslov

The Fedotov Russian situation

Coach announcing no captain. Flyers naming a captain. The captain then getting benched

The mysterious injuries (multi-layered), unknown (Johansen) and the ill-timed surgeries.

That’s just off the top of my head but bad luck, drama or whatever seems to follow this team anymore and it doesn’t feel good.

they know the flyers will not trade him so he is standing pat.

who do you think blinks first?
- hello it's me 2050

So I am going against the grain. I think if they get the right offer he gets moved. I have a weird feeling that one of these playoffs teams who aren't completely sold on their top 6 eventually come in with an offer.

Maybe wishful thinking but I could see it happen. Especially if he isn't resigned before camp.

I have no idea what they are going to draft next year. They don’t even know. Brier did say that it was a deep draft especially at center compared to most drafts.

Maybe they viewed Zeev as not a top pair prospect and viewed Luchanko as a 1C/2C talent. Maybe. I don’t know.

I’m saying that I liked the trade. It can’t be any worse than a lateral move and most likely will be a higher pick (based on odds). As well as what is regarded a deeper draft.

They did pick up a couple of long shot/grinder type centers outside the 1st round. At this point Luchanko and Gill are the two with the highest upside in my opinion from last years draft.

I like the fact that they have a lot of capital. And I agree with you that they need quality at this point. They have said that publicly that they need more skill in the system and the line up. Michkov is one that Danny said brought a type of skill that they needed in the system. They need more.

I’m hopeful that they can use all this capital to upgrade the high level skill. 6 picks in the top 50 (if that’s how it plays out) gives them a lot of capital.
- peesinwind

Everything I have read is Jett's ceiling is a 2C and most likely a 3rd C

https://x.com/avappleyard/status/1813518491695120538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1813518491695120538%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

make it happen danny boy.
- hello it's me 2050

would be absolute insanity if they even contemplated signing TK at that AAV

So I am going against the grain. I think if they get the right offer he gets moved. I have a weird feeling that one of these playoffs teams who aren't completely sold on their top 6 eventually come in with an offer.

Maybe wishful thinking but I could see it happen. Especially if he isn't resigned before camp.
- J35Bacher

i don’t see it before the season.

I suppose maybe a team knockin on the door could offer up a fat deal before the trade deadline. You wouldn’t be getting a high 1st in that case. It would be about collecting a couple low 1sts. Colorado and Edmonton can’t swing that deal since we already possess those picks. Gotta be someone else.

In the off chance of that occurring, would that satisfy you guys? Couple low 1sts and not having to worry about overpayment/free agency?

would be absolute insanity if they even contemplated signing TK at that AAV
- Flyfly

They’re not. It’s a strong arm tactic.

They better not.

It's really hard to respond when you mix your response into random spots of the original post but i think i have all the sections?

Centers. The next draft has been endlessly hyped for centers so, no, I wouldn't have cared if they drafted centers in this draft. My understanding is that they could draft better/more centers next draft without having to move up so why wouldn't they do that? Even the 2 centers they did draft in the 2nd and 4th aren't projected to have an offensive impact on the team, if they even make it to the NHL so why should i be excited about them?

Your opinion is not based on anything other than wanting to give the Flyers the benefit of the doubt. Mine is based on what scouts have published. Not saying it's correct but i have a better basis.

You are doing alot of optimistic projecting regarding EDM pick. You could be right but EDM may go deep in the playoffs again so you can't count on it being in the low 20s. I didn't say it was a bad decision, I just said it isn't the stroke of genius some made it out to be. Without knowing who the Flyers would've drafted this year with it and who they draft next year with it, who can say?

I will say if the Flyers had drafted Buium and then Jett with the (32nd+ 2nd rnd pick (or even both 2nds) I would be much happier with the draft than the 2 stiffs they drafted in the 2nd. 2 players that could potentially play in the top 6/1st pair of the lineup and be excited about. That's the type of risk i am looking for in the Flyers. You are more optimistic on what the Flyers do (can do) with those picks than i am.

Jett. He is a physical high energy player who is an above average skater and has trouble scoring. Other than his excellent skating, absolutely what you look in your energy line players. Will he be more than that, yes, but the Flyers have a "type" of player they look for.

They drafted Michkov because it was a no-brainer. I can't give them credit for picking what many thought was the 2nd most skilled player in the draft at 7th. Again with Jett, how/who has forecasted his skills as 1C?
- Flyers_01

Really good post. And as for the bolded part - nobody. Most think Jett is a 3C and his upside is a 2C. Maybe he turns into something but I much rather have Zeev and Jett compared to what they picked.

It's really hard to respond when you mix your response into random spots of the original post but i think i have all the sections?

Centers. The next draft has been endlessly hyped for centers so, no, I wouldn't have cared if they drafted centers in this draft. My understanding is that they could draft better/more centers next draft without having to move up so why wouldn't they do that? Even the 2 centers they did draft in the 2nd and 4th aren't projected to have an offensive impact on the team, if they even make it to the NHL so why should i be excited about them?

Your opinion is not based on anything other than wanting to give the Flyers the benefit of the doubt. Mine is based on what scouts have published. Not saying it's correct but i have a better basis.

You are doing alot of optimistic projecting regarding EDM pick. You could be right but EDM may go deep in the playoffs again so you can't count on it being in the low 20s. I didn't say it was a bad decision, I just said it isn't the stroke of genius some made it out to be. Without knowing who the Flyers would've drafted this year with it and who they draft next year with it, who can say?

I will say if the Flyers had drafted Buium and then Jett with the (32nd+ 2nd rnd pick (or even both 2nds) I would be much happier with the draft than the 2 stiffs they drafted in the 2nd. 2 players that could potentially play in the top 6/1st pair of the lineup and be excited about. That's the type of risk i am looking for in the Flyers. You are more optimistic on what the Flyers do (can do) with those picks than i am.

Jett. He is a physical high energy player who is an above average skater and has trouble scoring. Other than his excellent skating, absolutely what you look in your energy line players. Will he be more than that, yes, but the Flyers have a "type" of player they look for.

They drafted Michkov because it was a no-brainer. I can't give them credit for picking what many thought was the 2nd most skilled player in the draft at 7th. Again with Jett, how/who has forecasted his skills as 1C?
- Flyers_01

agree with most but Jett was touted for his playmaking ability and he played on a bad team, there is upside for sure, DB took a swing, can hate it but he took a swing

I was only hinting that the pick turned out useful regardless of what ended up happening, and that there didn’t need to be whining over a 34 year old choice.

It never occurred to me that someone would take that how you did. It’s obviously illogical to go down that path. Nobody else did.
- Hesh_

I thought you were saying they picked Ricci because Quebec wanted him as part of the Lindros trade. Misunderstood what you were saying.

i don’t see it before the season.

I suppose maybe a team knockin on the door could offer up a fat deal before the trade deadline. You wouldn’t be getting a high 1st in that case. It would be about collecting a couple low 1sts. Colorado and Edmonton can’t swing that deal since we already possess those picks. Gotta be someone else.

In the off chance of that occurring, would that satisfy you guys? Couple low 1sts and not having to worry about overpayment/free agency?
- Hesh_

Yes, I would take that. I would take a first and a prospect too

agree with most but Jett was touted for his playmaking ability and he played on a bad team, there is upside for sure, DB took a swing, can hate it but he took a swing
- wcorvette

The evaluation of Buium bothers me the most. He has been compared to Hughes and Makar with some of his attributes and is one of the most decorated rookie defensemen in college history.

Take a swing on Jett when everyone around him has question marks of their own but when you have the gift horse staring you in the face, at a position the team has found impossible to fill for a decade and you go "nahhhh" boggles my mind. There is also a very plausible scenario where they have both players but Briere would rather have the 1st rnd pick for next year and the 2nds for marginal energy players.

https://denverpioneers.co...%20on%20five%20occasions.

A first-team All-American, Buium was DU's first freshman defenseman to earn the national accolade and the Pios' first rookie since forward Henrik Borgstrom (first team) in 2017. Buium helped the Pioneers win their NCAA-record 10th national championship in April in Minnesota and earned a spot on the Frozen Four All-Tournament Team. He was also recognized as the NCHC Rookie of the Year, the NCHC Offensive Defenseman of the Year and was a finalist for the Tim Taylor Award as the national rookie of the year. ... and on and on.

Sorry but if Buium goes on to be a 1D, it really won't matter what Jett does, the Flyers would've made the wrong decision in foresight and hindsight.

Bill Meltzer: Seven Flyers Prospects Named to WJSS
- bmeltzer

Glad to see our second round pick was selected. It goes to show Tucker’s and grinders are needed at all levels of hockey and not just in Philadelphia

I thought you were saying they picked Ricci because Quebec wanted him as part of the Lindros trade. Misunderstood what you were saying.
- TheFreak

No worries

His agent knows he’s holding the cards.

The only way they lose is if he suffers a significant injury between now and his next deal.
- Hesh_

Disagree. If he doesn’t take 8x8, I’d tell him you’re a goner. Some of the arguments that support that, are:
1. He loses the extra year of big money when he will be out of his prime.
2. Risk of being injured this year. If he plays scared, he will be ineffective and drop his value.
3. He’s worth less to any other team, as he would not be getting as much prime time ice, ie. Power play, offensive zone starts.
4. He’s a smallish player who will not age well playing a physical game.
5. Demonstrates his selfishness.
6. The time value of money by getting those a extra millions a year earlier.

I’m sure I left out some others, but that’s what comes to mind immediately.

I don’t want him at anywhere near 10. 8x8 is fair, or try to trade him at the deadline, or prior to the season. F him and his agent!

agree with most but Jett was touted for his playmaking ability and he played on a bad team, there is upside for sure, DB took a swing, can hate it but he took a swing
- wcorvette

When you've had an organizational black hole with drafting and developing a 1D and there is a player available who has 1D upside. With the extreme importance and need of the position. Why on earth would you take a swing at another player?

Disagree. If he doesn’t take 8x8, I’d tell him you’re a goner. Some of the arguments that support that, are:
1. He loses the extra year of big money when he will be out of his prime.
2. Risk of being injured this year. If he plays scared, he will be ineffective and drop his value.
3. He’s worth less to any other team, as he would not be getting as much prime time ice, ie. Power play, offensive zone starts.
4. He’s a smallish player who will not age well playing a physical game.
5. Demonstrates his selfishness.
6. The time value of money by getting those a extra millions a year earlier.

I’m sure I left out some others, but that’s what comes to mind immediately.

I don’t want him at anywhere near 10. 8x8 is fair, or try to trade him at the deadline, or prior to the season. F him and his agent!
- Hokeeguy9

I do not want the Flyers to start the season without him traded or signed. If he gets hurt during the year and he is not signed they would really be screwed. I do not want him signed but going into the season without a decision is a gamble they should not take.

When you've had an organizational black hole with drafting and developing a 1D and there is a player available who has 1D upside. With the extreme importance and need of the position. Why on earth would you take a swing at another player?
- MJL

didn't need him with andrae, JD and york.