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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 20 @ 4:18 PM ET
goodbye Farabee lol

(I hope not)

- anti-lame

many reports all summer said he has been available.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:19 PM ET
They should be. The problem is whether or not Nashville has any interest in any Flyers not named MM.
- Letterkenney


I dont see the fit. The Flyers would need to move Ersson. You cant move Fedotov without pissing off a lot of ppl. He also isnt going to want to be in the AHL. I guess you could run 3 Goalies but I dont know that anyone will be happy with that.

It is just hard to move a guy like Ersson whos shown he can be good at the NHL level for a prospect whos hyped up that has average AHL numbers. Two 0.911SV% seasons in the AHL doesnt scream slam dunk G prospect. If it works it could set us ahead years on the rebuild, if it doesnt it sets us back quite a bit
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:20 PM ET
I know we'll never agree on this, but I have no doubt in my mind that Richards' (and Carter's to a lesser extent) behavior off ice led to them being moved.
- Dkos


We won't agree especially when we know that other players such as Briere and Hartnell were involved with the social activities. There was no on ice indication that Richards and Carter's off ice behavior was a problem as Flyers.


roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Aug 20 @ 4:21 PM ET
I by no means come on here everyday and complain about how this team is being run. I wait for the results and make my judgements this way. With this said, I hope the Flyers fall on their face with this Ryan Johansson news. You traded for the player. Regardless of the reasoning, which was he was attached to a first round pick, you still took him on and believed it would be easy to blackball his career based on what another organization said. "He's a jerk but if you take him, we'll give you a first round pick". Well surprise, surprise, the jerk isn't going to make things easy on you. I think Johansson made a reasonable offer. I'll work through my issues with Torts and play for you. The Flyers were concerned Ryan Johansson would poison the kids, and ruined the culture. Well to me that's stupid, I don't really give a crap if everybody is best friends in the locker room as long as they work well together on the ice. I'm pretty sure Brendan Shanahan and Chris Chelios hated each other and still manage to win cups.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Aug 20 @ 4:21 PM ET
I dont see the fit. The Flyers would need to move Ersson. You cant move Fedotov without pissing off a lot of ppl. He also isnt going to want to be in the AHL. I guess you could run 3 Goalies but I dont know that anyone will be happy with that.

It is just hard to move a guy like Ersson whos shown he can be good at the NHL level for a prospect whos hyped up that has average AHL numbers. Two 0.911SV% seasons in the AHL doesnt scream slam dunk G prospect. If it works it could set us ahead years on the rebuild, if it doesnt it sets us back quite a bit

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


It's not a rebuild.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Aug 20 @ 4:21 PM ET
I dont see the fit. The Flyers would need to move Ersson. You cant move Fedotov without pissing off a lot of ppl. He also isnt going to want to be in the AHL. I guess you could run 3 Goalies but I dont know that anyone will be happy with that.

It is just hard to move a guy like Ersson whos shown he can be good at the NHL level for a prospect whos hyped up that has average AHL numbers. Two 0.911SV% seasons in the AHL doesnt scream slam dunk G prospect. If it works it could set us ahead years on the rebuild, if it doesnt it sets us back quite a bit

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


He’s the shiny new toy I’d stay away from unless they are giving him away
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:22 PM ET
goodbye Farabee lol

(I hope not)

- anti-lame


ha ha ha. It wouldn't be wise for the Flyers to have a vendetta against an agent, but no one ever accused the Flyers' FO of being wise.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 20 @ 4:23 PM ET
I dont see the fit. The Flyers would need to move Ersson. You cant move Fedotov without pissing off a lot of ppl. He also isnt going to want to be in the AHL. I guess you could run 3 Goalies but I dont know that anyone will be happy with that.

It is just hard to move a guy like Ersson whos shown he can be good at the NHL level for a prospect whos hyped up that has average AHL numbers. Two 0.911SV% seasons in the AHL doesnt scream slam dunk G prospect. If it works it could set us ahead years on the rebuild, if it doesnt it sets us back quite a bit

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think it would be very easy for a prospect who has a higher ceiling.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:23 PM ET
god no wonder the avs hated this jack-off so much
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:34 PM ET
It's not a rebuild.
- Flyers_01


You can keep saying that, it doesnt make it true. Teams that retool, move picks and young assets for immediate help or replacing key players with other NHL players. That is not what the Flyers are doing. You will not see the Flyers move Picks and prospects for middle age stars until they exit the rebuild. Until then it is move what they dont want for picks and keep the rest.

They feel Konecny is part of the future. I disagree and would have traded him but It is what it is. How Michkov does in year one determines what they do. If he has a great year, they may speed up that time line.

Flyers goals this season will be to evaluate Michkov, Drysdale, Ersson, Fedotov and Frost to see where they all fit in the Flyers plans and to Move Ristolainen out.

People also need to forget about projections. Projections are fancy ways of saying We guess. Flyers had one of the best prospect pools in 2018 and the only player that really stood out was Konecny. People overhype a lot of prospects. You just have to wait an see what the become.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:40 PM ET
I think it would be very easy for a prospect who has a higher ceiling.
- hello it's me 2050


Maybe if it was Ersson for Askarov but NSH isnt going to take that. You know theres def going to need to be a 1st involved at least as well. Maybe even a prospect. Thats a lot to give a way for a guy who could be great or could be worse. Id be different if the guy was killing it in the AHL but he isnt.

Carter Hart was also a goalie prospect with a high ceiling that was also hyped up by fans. We all know how that Saga went.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:51 PM ET
You can keep saying that, it doesnt make it true. Teams that retool, move picks and young assets for immediate help or replacing key players with other NHL players. That is not what the Flyers are doing. You will not see the Flyers move Picks and prospects for middle age stars until they exit the rebuild. Until then it is move what they dont want for picks and keep the rest.

They feel Konecny is part of the future. I disagree and would have traded him but It is what it is. How Michkov does in year one determines what they do. If he has a great year, they may speed up that time line.

Flyers goals this season will be to evaluate Michkov, Drysdale, Ersson, Fedotov and Frost to see where they all fit in the Flyers plans and to Move Ristolainen out.

People also need to forget about projections. Projections are fancy ways of saying We guess. Flyers had one of the best prospect pools in 2018 and the only player that really stood out was Konecny. People overhype a lot of prospects. You just have to wait an see what the become.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


It's not a rebuild. It never has been. Teams that are rebuilding don't re-sign Konecny, Hathaway and Johnson. Don't re-sign Nick Seeler and have basically zero roster spots open for young talent other than Michkov. The Flyers goal this season is the same as last year. To compete for the playoffs. You don't re-sign Konecny not to. The only thing stopping the Flyers from speeding up the timeline, is a lack of cap space. Once they get it, it will be more of the same.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Aug 20 @ 5:04 PM ET
So should the Flyers be interested in Askarov?
- mickel25


If he refuses to play in Milwaukee he sure as sh!t isn't playing in Lehigh.

Nashville also doesn't want a goalie in return in a trade.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Aug 20 @ 5:18 PM ET
OMG, what the hell has happened to this organization. Last year a recent draft pick decided he didn't want to play in Philly, then a veteran ( that has played all season ) decides he is hurt once he gets traded to the Flyers and now a recently drafted goalie changes agents to try to get out of signing with the Flyers. Not to mention the Carter Hart fiasco. Mr. Snider must be going bonkers up there seeing what Camillo and these other slugs, now running the show, have done to what was recently the pinnacle of sports ownership.
- jtb3rd

The Hart fiasco is not on the flyer organization, (or the Alumni). He must face the music! Even if he only cheered on or took part in the ritual.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 20 @ 5:30 PM ET
It's not a rebuild. It never has been. Teams that are rebuilding don't re-sign Konecny, Hathaway and Johnson. Don't re-sign Nick Seeler and have basically zero roster spots open for young talent other than Michkov. The Flyers goal this season is the same as last year. To compete for the playoffs. You don't re-sign Konecny not to. The only thing stopping the Flyers from speeding up the timeline, is a lack of cap space. Once they get it, it will be more of the same.
- MJL


Most of their team is young players..... Every Team has a EJ. No team out there uses a young player in the 7th D role. Its always some Vet whos not good enough to play 82 games. As of right now 12 players are 25 and younger. Just 4 players on Forward 26 or older, excluding RyJO, 3 D 26 and older not counting EJ whos not really going to play. 1 goalie over 26. Less than half team even if you count EJ are Vets.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 5:37 PM ET
Most of their team is young players..... Every Team has a EJ. No team out there uses a young player in the 7th D role. Its always some Vet whos not good enough to play 82 games. As of right now 12 players are 25 and younger. Just 5 players on Forward 26 or older 3 D 26 and older not counting EJ whos not really going to play. 1 goalie over 26. Less than half team even if you count EJ are Vets.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


As a rebuilding team, there is no issue having a player like Johnson as a 7th, if you have open roster spots for rookies to break in. As a rebuilding team, it's okay to have Johnson if you don't have Ristolainen and Seeler. The Flyers stated in part that they passed on Buium due to having Andrae. They see him as so good, that there isn't a roster spot for him. Or for Ginning or Attard. Other than the spot being given to Mitchkov. There are no open roster spots available for young talent to step up and make the team.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 20 @ 5:41 PM ET
It's not a rebuild. It never has been. Teams that are rebuilding don't re-sign Konecny, Hathaway and Johnson. Don't re-sign Nick Seeler and have basically zero roster spots open for young talent other than Michkov. The Flyers goal this season is the same as last year. To compete for the playoffs. You don't re-sign Konecny not to. The only thing stopping the Flyers from speeding up the timeline, is a lack of cap space. Once they get it, it will be more of the same.
- MJL


A couple of weeks ago, he provided definitions.

Rebuild: Gradually replace older/inessential players with picks/prospects/younger players.
Tanking: Extreme form of rebuild
Retool: Replace one set of players for another (irrespective of other factors).

You might just be arguing about different meanings of the word.

I know you don't like to argue for the sake of arguing, so I am providing a public service clarification.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 5:44 PM ET
A couple of weeks ago, he provided definitions.

Rebuild: Gradually replace older/inessential players with picks/prospects/younger players.
Tanking: Extreme form of rebuild
Retool: Replace one set of players for another (irrespective of other factors).

You might just be arguing about different meanings of the word.

I know you don't like to argue for the sake of arguing, so I am providing a public service clarification.

- PT21


Whether it's a rebuild or not is not determined by and is not about one person's individual opinion. Although there is certainly some grey area. A rebuild is pretty easy to spot in hockey. The Flyers don't rebuild. They don't know what a rebuild is.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 20 @ 5:47 PM ET
He wasnt terminated but they tried to.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


No they didn't. His moron of a coach told him that.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 20 @ 5:59 PM ET
Whether it's a rebuild or not is not determined by and is not about one person's individual opinion. Although there is certainly some grey area. A rebuild is pretty easy to spot in hockey. The Flyers don't rebuild. They don't know what a rebuild is.
- MJL



You managed to state your own opinion about what a rebuild is right after stating that a rebuild is not determined by 1 person's opinion.

Then you acknowledged there is a grey area, and right after that, you said it is pretty easy to spot (in spite of that grey area).

I honestly feel that Ek should charge for this poop. It's so effortless, so spontaneous, and unseen on these shores since Groucho.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Aug 20 @ 6:07 PM ET
Flyers should have a fight on their hands. Love him or hate him, Ryan Johansson is a productive NHL player that seems to be getting blackballed by being sent to the AHL and now having his deal terminated.
- roenick97


But he wasn’t productive in COL. He was good on faceoffs and had some shootout success. He’s too slow and isn’t physical. He wasn’t a top six anymore and his skill set isn’t a fit in the bottom six. He’s cooked.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 6:45 PM ET
You managed to state your own opinion about what a rebuild is right after stating that a rebuild is not determined by 1 person's opinion.

Then you acknowledged there is a grey area, and right after that, you said it is pretty easy to spot (in spite of that grey area).

I honestly feel that Ek should charge for this poop. It's so effortless, so spontaneous, and unseen on these shores since Groucho.

- PT21


Stating that a rebuild is pretty easy to spot, is not stating what a rebuild is. The grey area is due to not every rebuild is exactly the same. Not a difficult concept.

You're trying so hard dude. You reek of desperation

You haven't yet figured out that this superior being schtick you attempt doesn't work for you. It's just makes you look like a fool.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 20 @ 7:11 PM ET
If he refuses to play in Milwaukee he sure as sh!t isn't playing in Lehigh.

Nashville also doesn't want a goalie in return in a trade.

- Pelle31Forever

Askarov would win the starting job here. At worst get a 50/50 split to start.

Flyers should be all over Nashville to make that trade but we know they won’t. They don’t make serious efforts to pursue elite talent.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 20 @ 8:21 PM ET
There is no statement made in that post on what my opinion of what a rebuild is. Stating that a rebuild is pretty easy to spot, is not stating what a rebuild is. The grey area is due to not every rebuild is exactly the same. Not a difficult concept.

You're trying so hard dude. You reek of desperation

You haven't yet figured out that this superior being schtick you attempt doesn't work for you. It's just makes you look like a fool.

- MJL


So saying that a rebuild is easy to spot, has grey areas, and what the Flyers are doing is not a rebuild is not an opinion about what a rebuild is?
.
I thonk a non-moron is easy to spot on HB, though there are grey areas, and what you are saying is not evidence of a non-moron.

Please note. Nowhere here am I saying you are a moron. And even if I did, one person's opinion doesn't make for the definition of a non-moron.

🤣

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 8:35 PM ET
So saying that a rebuild is easy to spot, has grey areas, and what the Flyers are doing is not a rebuild is not an opinion about what a rebuild is?
.
I thonk a non-moron is easy to spot on HB, though there are grey areas, and what you are saying is not evidence of a non-moron.

Please note. Nowhere here am I saying you are a moron. And even if I did, one person's opinion doesn't make for the definition of a non-moron.

🤣

- PT21


No, none of that is describing what a rebuild is nor was it offering an opinion on what a rebuild is. Please note. I think you're a moron and there is no grey area there.

On another note, I appreciate the opportunity to make you look stupid and petty. By all means, continue.

Remember when you said you could ignore me? Yea,not so much. I'm in your head.

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