If they trade Pettersson they're going into full rebuild, something they don't want to do, and, they will probably see Quinn Hughes walk away into free agency in two years because of that. Allvin was obviously pissed off when he spoke about the nonsense going on in the locker room but he was really unserious about trading Petey IMO.

Trading headcase Miller on the other hand, now that's a different story...Miller must go.
- Pacificgem

Agreed. If they trade Petey, it'll more than likely be a full rebuild, unless someone truly overpays for him. But that's doubtful.

Do a quick reset trading Miller, and work out the defense in the offseason. If they get a young 2-ish C plus top 4 D in trading Miller, and then graduate Willander for next season, that's a whole new top of the defense next year.

This is true, but it shows what other fans think Pouty may be worth.
- Reubenkincade

Fans always overrate their own players, Canuck fans no different. But Pouty’s stats can’t be ignored. If you trade him you must expect equal value, equal potential, or at least receive players who fill glaring holes in the team’s roster. That Winnipeg trade offer did none of that.

This is true, but it shows what other fans think Pouty may be worth.
- Reubenkincade

Trading you're number one center isn't just about Pettersson's current worth, it's more involved than that, it's about the franchise, where they currently are and where they want to be next year. Considering the eight years of crap they went through with Jim Benning, I just don't see them wanting to go back into that rebuilding space.

Agreed. If they trade Petey, it'll more than likely be a full rebuild, unless someone truly overpays for him. But that's doubtful.

Do a quick reset trading Miller, and work out the defense in the offseason. If they get a young 2-ish C plus top 4 D in trading Miller, and then graduate Willander for next season, that's a whole new top of the defense next year.
- NewYorkNuck

You just NEVER get full value when trading the best player under duress, it's rare. Unless they get a #1 center back, which is highly unlikely unless it's a deal that has a lot of players involved, you're in a losing situation and you're going to be taking a further step back.

Trading you're number one center isn't just about Pettersson's current worth, it's more involved than that, it's about the franchise, where they currently are and where they want to be next year. Considering the eight years of crap they went through with Jim Benning, I just don't see them wanting to go back into that rebuilding space.
- Pacificgem

You also have to take into account the President and GM. I don't think Rutherford has ever fathomed a rebuild in any sense

You also have to take into account the President and GM. I don't think Rutherford has ever fathomed a rebuild in any sense
- NewYorkNuck

100% - those guys are gonna want to get back around that 109 point space they found themselves in last year as soon as possible. Rutherford and Allvin are not interested in rebuilding with futures, potential and picks, especially with Quinn Hughes where he is.

You just NEVER get full value when trading the best player under duress, it's rare. Unless they get a #1 center back, which is highly unlikely unless it's a deal that has a lot of players involved, you're in a losing situation and you're going to be taking a further step back.
- Pacificgem

Only situation it could work is a team like Buffalo that's also in duress. Petey for Cozens and Power or something

100% - those guys are gonna want to get back around that 109 point space they found themselves in last year as soon as possible. Rutherford and Allvin are not interested in rebuilding with futures, potential and picks, especially with Quinn Hughes where he is.
- Pacificgem

Sometimes futures, potentials and picks can get you the pieces you need to compete. 3 way trades aren't super rare. Trade Miller for futures, trade futures for help now.

Only situation it could work is a team like Buffalo that's also in duress. Petey for Cozens and Power or something
- NewYorkNuck

Yes, that's a situation where you're getting an actual top six center to remain competitive and a kid who went first overall and has tremendous potential to become a great defenceman. This is a plausible deal. It addresses the present and the future.

Now, personally I don't think they're going to be competitive with Cozens, but at least it's workable and addresses some of the defense. With D-Petey, Willander and Power, along with Quinn Hughes, you're future looks good back there for a long time.

Fans always overrate their own players, Canuck fans no different. But Pouty’s stats can’t be ignored. If you trade him you must expect equal value, equal potential, or at least receive players who fill glaring holes in the team’s roster. That Winnipeg trade offer did none of that.
- bloatedmosquito

Sometimes you need to give up a player to fill those holes, unfortunately that proposal didn't offer a good defenseman, so it is a non-starter. It did offer speed, which both nhl players provide.
Just thought I would throw it out there though.

Sometimes futures, potentials and picks can get you the pieces you need to compete. 3 way trades aren't super rare. Trade Miller for futures, trade futures for help now.
- Retinalz

Very true, if there's multiple things at play, sure, they could stay in a competitive window but it's just so hard to make trades with a salary cap let alone multiple team deals.

Very true, if there's multiple things at play, sure, they could stay in a competitive window but it's just so hard to make trades with a salary cap let alone multiple team deals.
- Pacificgem

A fine Jim Benning quote.

Very true, if there's multiple things at play, sure, they could stay in a competitive window but it's just so hard to make trades with a salary cap let alone multiple team deals.
- Pacificgem

Yes Jim, it is.

Yes, that's a situation where you're getting an actual top six center to remain competitive and a kid who went first overall and has tremendous potential to become a great defenceman. This is a plausible deal. It addresses the present and the future.

Now, personally I don't think they're going to be competitive with Cozens, but at least it's workable and addresses some of the defense. With D-Petey, Willander and Power, along with Quinn Hughes, you're future looks good back there for a long time.
- Pacificgem

Ya, it's not perfect, just something along the lines of the (over)payment I'd want the Canucks to get if they're trading Petey. In that situation they'd have to be pretty certain Miller can keep up his 1C play for another 2 seasons, while Conzens can grow into that role and take it over as Miller slides back down. Or spend more assets to be competitive. But, having this as your top 4 D looks good:

Hughes - Willander
Power - Hronek

A fine Jim Benning quote.
- Reubenkincade

however, it's not untrue, at least until some teams accrue some cap space.

Yes Jim, it is.
- Danny Bomber

however, it's not untrue, at least until some team accrue some cap space.
- Pacificgem

Would this be necessary if teams would stop overpaying some players?
Every million dollar overpayment is just a million less to acquire a better player.
Same problem Jim Benning had.

Rick Tocchet: “There’s some guys here that we need to play better — a chunk of them. You can't worry about their first 40 (games); they've got to worry about the next 40.”

Tocchet: “It was one of Petey’s best games of the year. Blocked shots and one on a backdoor play that was high hockey-I.Q.”

#Canucks

Rick Tocchet: “There’s some guys here that we need to play better — a chunk of them. You can't worry about their first 40 (games); they've got to worry about the next 40.”
- Pacificgem

That’s deep.

That’s deep.
- TurdFergeson

Right....he's the master of meaningless one-liners.

FYI - I'm just posting his comments for those that don't have X.

Tocchet: I’ve got to own up to whatever I’ve got to own...I think I can teach everything and I think we can win. I would never take this job, or I wouldn't coach, if I just came to the rink and thought, 'it's not me, it's the players.' I've got to take responsibility"

(via Imac)

Tocchet: I’ve got to own up to whatever I’ve got to own...I think I can teach everything and I think we can win. I would never take this job, or I wouldn't coach, if I just came to the rink and thought, 'it's not me, it's the players.' I've got to take responsibility"

(via Imac)
- Pacificgem

Hell ya he does. The team's inability to start a game with urgency is as much on him as it is the players.

Most telling quote from Tocchet's interview with Imac:

"I've (spent) a lot of energy around different things."