Jarry waived. what a bad contract by dubas. add graves to that and 2 bad choices.
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I dont think its all on Jarry, That team flat out sucks defensively. Id be interested to see how he could fair elsewhere. You kind of saw it with Blackwood, sucked with NJ and SJ but has been very good with COL. Goalies are weird some just perfortm better under some cercumstances. Bryz was good with ANH and ARI but mediocre with us. Mike Smith was good with ARI, Sucked with CGY and then was decent with EDM

Jarry was really good for them when the team was good.

All irrelevant. The GM isnt going to go out and say heres the price but Im willing to take less. That just poor negotiating. Briere is doing the right think making his prices firm. Teams will make offeres and Briere can then determine whether to be flexible on prices or hold. If you let peopole know you are willing to take less, then teams will always look to offer less. There is no doubt in my mind the Flyers can get a 1st for either player. The contending teams have no issues throwing 1sts around. Tampa has done it for years, not to mention both players come with term so they are not just rentals. Leafs are one team that prefers to add players with term rather than rentals
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The point of article is that the Flyers are firm in their asking price. Not that they're using it as a starting point for negotiation's sake. What can be taken from is that the Flyers overvalue players and actually think that there are important reasons to keep both players. There isn't.

Super quick read but this guy seems to have maturity beyond his years. This attitude is the attitude of champions. He’s gonna wear the “C” some day.

https://thehockeynews.com...s-and-grind-of-nhl-season

The point of article is that the Flyers are firm in their asking price. Not that they're using it as a starting point for negotiation's sake. What can be taken from is that the Flyers overvalue players and actually think that there are important reasons to keep both players. There isn't.
- MJL

Part of good deal-making is asking for everything you want, and then pulling back to something you deem is still a favorable deal. Asking for a lot doesn’t mean a deal won’t get done. A bad negotiating tactic is starting with your lowest level of an acceptable trade. Unfortunately, many of us view Briere’s approach as the latter. I hope we’re wrong.

That being said, maybe it’s not crazy to think a first rounder for Laughton or Risto is a possibility from a true Stanley Cup contender. Also, is that alleged price of 1st round picks mean only picks, or would a former first round pick work for Briere?

I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong, and I hope I am, but I’m not hopeful in GMDB’s ability, will, and aggressiveness to get any such deal done.

Part of good deal-making is asking for everything you want, and then pulling back to something you deem is still a favorable deal. Asking for a lot doesn’t mean a deal won’t get done. A bad negotiating tactic is starting with your lowest level of an acceptable trade. Unfortunately, many of us view Briere’s approach as the latter. I hope we’re wrong.

That being said, maybe it’s not crazy to think a first rounder for Laughton or Risto is a possibility from a true Stanley Cup contender. Also, is that alleged price of 1st round picks mean only picks, or would a former first round pick work for Briere?

I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong, and I hope I am, but I’m not hopeful in GMDB’s ability, will, and aggressiveness to get any such deal done.
- mikeyo27

You posted the same thing that the post I responded to said. Everyone knows how a negotiation works. That is not the point. The point is that the Flyers overvalue both players to the point where what their willing to trade either player for, if they are, is too high. It's a higher value than the rest of the leagues sees. They feel that both players have value to them for the future in keeping them when neither player does.

The point of article is that the Flyers are firm in their asking price. Not that they're using it as a starting point for negotiation's sake. What can be taken from is that the Flyers overvalue players and actually think that there are important reasons to keep both players. There isn't.
- MJL

correct 100%

All irrelevant. The GM isnt going to go out and say heres the price but Im willing to take less. That just poor negotiating. Briere is doing the right think making his prices firm. Teams will make offeres and Briere can then determine whether to be flexible on prices or hold. If you let peopole know you are willing to take less, then teams will always look to offer less. There is no doubt in my mind the Flyers can get a 1st for either player. The contending teams have no issues throwing 1sts around. Tampa has done it for years, not to mention both players come with term so they are not just rentals. Leafs are one team that prefers to add players with term rather than rentals
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Of course, it is irrelevant when you a flyers felator.

Asking for the sun and moon is a poor negotiating. It turns off the other GM’s. It is 2025 the GM’s are fully aware of the negotiating measures. Then again not all GM’s went to Wharton on line and have a certificate. Well, briere has already shown he wont budge when it comes to Laughton, a player who is getting severely overrated around here.

Wasn’t it “Jonesy” who said they want to be fair and have both teams win the trade.

What players have the leaf’s added at the deadline with term? Off the top of my head they have acquired more UFA than players with trim

Of course, it is irrelevant when you a flyers felator.

Asking for the sun and moon is a poor negotiating. It turns off the other GM’s. It is 2025 the GM’s are fully aware of the negotiating measures. Then again not all GM’s went to Wharton on line and have a certificate. Well, briere has already shown he wont budge when it comes to Laughton, a player who is getting severely overrated around here.

Wasn’t it “Jonesy” who said they want to be fair and have both teams win the trade.

What players have the leaf’s added at the deadline with term? Off the top of my head they have acquired more UFA than players with trim
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I disagree, you always ask high at the moment we a month 6 or 7 weeks from trade deadline you are in no rush to lower your price.

And what does 2025 have to do with trades that the last 10 years couldn't tell you.

You ask high, especially if you don't really need to trade the player.

With term on a contract you really don't have lower if you choose not 2.


But more then likely he starts high and will come down by a bit come deadline so the buying team thinks they negotiated a better price

I disagree, you always ask high at the moment we a month 6 or 7 weeks from trade deadline you are in no rush to lower your price.

And what does 2025 have to do with trades that the last 10 years couldn't tell you.

You ask high, especially if you don't really need to trade the player.

With term on a contract you really don't have lower if you choose not 2.


But more then likely he starts high and will come down by a bit come deadline so the buying team thinks they negotiated a better price
- SlNlSTER

Do you not see the difference in setting a high ask and an unrealistic ask? Then not budging on said unrealistic ask? They should be proactive and set the market. Not wait and be passengers. This of course implies they offers are not low ball offers.

You are not pulling the wool over a GM’s eyes anymore for the most part unless there is Chuck Fletcher out there; hence the 2025 reference.

It is clear to me with the current info available the flyers have zero intention of trading either player unless a team meets their ask.

Briere has already proven he will not come down in price in regard to Laughton. To say he will is 100% false at this time.

Do you think they will move players out they deem critical to the team while in the wild card picture?

Do you not see the difference in setting a high ask and an unrealistic ask? Then not budging on said unrealistic ask? They should be proactive and set the market. Not wait and be passengers. This of course implies they offers are not low ball offers.

You are not pulling the wool over a GM’s eyes anymore for the most part unless there is Chuck Fletcher out there; hence the 2025 reference.

It is clear to me with the current info available the flyers have zero intention of trading either player unless a team meets their ask.

Briere has already proven he will not come down in price in regard to Laughton. To say he will is 100% false at this time.

Do you think they will move players out they deem critical to the team while in the wild card picture?
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In regards to The Room GMDB has already publicly said they would "need to be blown away" w an offer. I understand why a team would want SL but do not understand why anyone would pay more ("blown away") than he is worth at this point. Last year or the year before was the time to sell SL.

Do you not see the difference in setting a high ask and an unrealistic ask? Then not budging on said unrealistic ask? They should be proactive and set the market. Not wait and be passengers. This of course implies they offers are not low ball offers.

You are not pulling the wool over a GM’s eyes anymore for the most part unless there is Chuck Fletcher out there; hence the 2025 reference.

It is clear to me with the current info available the flyers have zero intention of trading either player unless a team meets their ask.

Briere has already proven he will not come down in price in regard to Laughton. To say he will is 100% false at this time.

Do you think they will move players out they deem critical to the team while in the wild card picture?
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To me it looks like lip service. They can point to any offer they got and claim they were open for business and are trying to make deals but they didn't get a deal they felt was "fair". When in reality what they are doing is setting the price high enough they know they wont actually get a deal, while saying they "tried". It just wasn't in the cards, or didn't make sense for us, or we felt the offer wasn't up to the value of the player and we don't want to send the wrong message to the locker room, and on and on..

To me it looks like lip service. They can point to any offer they got and claim they were open for business and are trying to make deals but they didn't get a deal they felt was "fair". When in reality what they are doing is setting the price high enough they know they wont actually get a deal, while saying they "tried". It just wasn't in the cards, or didn't make sense for us, or we felt the offer wasn't up to the value of the player and we don't want to send the wrong message to the locker room, and on and on..
- MBFlyerfan

100%

To me it looks like lip service. They can point to any offer they got and claim they were open for business and are trying to make deals but they didn't get a deal they felt was "fair". When in reality what they are doing is setting the price high enough they know they wont actually get a deal, while saying they "tried". It just wasn't in the cards, or didn't make sense for us, or we felt the offer wasn't up to the value of the player and we don't want to send the wrong message to the locker room, and on and on..
- MBFlyerfan

Well said.

Well said.
- Flyfly

the flyers like joe biden think people are dumb. sadly, many are and buy into it.

To me it looks like lip service. They can point to any offer they got and claim they were open for business and are trying to make deals but they didn't get a deal they felt was "fair". When in reality what they are doing is setting the price high enough they know they wont actually get a deal, while saying they "tried". It just wasn't in the cards, or didn't make sense for us, or we felt the offer wasn't up to the value of the player and we don't want to send the wrong message to the locker room, and on and on..
- MBFlyerfan

Maybe chuckles trade app is setting the price for the players and gmdb does not want to go against the app?

To me it looks like lip service. They can point to any offer they got and claim they were open for business and are trying to make deals but they didn't get a deal they felt was "fair". When in reality what they are doing is setting the price high enough they know they wont actually get a deal, while saying they "tried". It just wasn't in the cards, or didn't make sense for us, or we felt the offer wasn't up to the value of the player and we don't want to send the wrong message to the locker room, and on and on..
- MBFlyerfan

Hard to have a “rebuild” when you are incapable of making tough decisions. The trades so far are low hanging fruit moves. Guys that the coach didn’t mesh with. Just because you are a bad team….with young guys doesn’t mean you are in a rebuild….the plan is simply that you “hope” to add guys and eventually get better through the draft.

Maybe chuckles trade app is setting the price for the players and gmdb does not want to go against the app?
- corduroy

To me it looks like lip service. They can point to any offer they got and claim they were open for business and are trying to make deals but they didn't get a deal they felt was "fair". When in reality what they are doing is setting the price high enough they know they wont actually get a deal, while saying they "tried". It just wasn't in the cards, or didn't make sense for us, or we felt the offer wasn't up to the value of the player and we don't want to send the wrong message to the locker room, and on and on..
- MBFlyerfan

No question and in my opinion, the noise we are hearing the media is propaganda from the Flyers. Coordinated PR that is being leaked to make things look good.

No question and in my opinion, the noise we are hearing the media is propaganda from the Flyers. Coordinated PR that is being leaked to make things look good.
- MJL

yep, look at us we are trying

To me it looks like lip service. They can point to any offer they got and claim they were open for business and are trying to make deals but they didn't get a deal they felt was "fair". When in reality what they are doing is setting the price high enough they know they wont actually get a deal, while saying they "tried". It just wasn't in the cards, or didn't make sense for us, or we felt the offer wasn't up to the value of the player and we don't want to send the wrong message to the locker room, and on and on..
- MBFlyerfan

The thin facade of the fake rebuild... just buying time until they're ready to "pull a Vegas".

The thin facade of the fake rebuild... just buying time until they're ready to "pull a Vegas".
- Tomahawk

last time I tried that almost got divorced

does Bill still do those podcast with that Jason guy? any links?

does Bill still do those podcast with that Jason guy? any links?
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Open your podcast app. Search for the Flyers. Click on the one hosted by that Jason guy. Hope this helps.

The thin facade of the fake rebuild... just buying time until they're ready to "pull a Vegas".
- Tomahawk

Some people pull the lever and get a jackpot. Not the Flyers.

Open your podcast app. Search for the Flyers. Click on the one hosted by that Jason guy. Hope this helps.
- Dkos

only app I now are mozzarella sticks