http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/34837/senators-had-talks-with-leafs-about-obtaining-clarkson

Sounds like it was the Senators initiating the talks, perhaps still infatuated with the idea of Clarkson after he played hard to get with them?
- Feeling Glucky?

Oh so wrong, again.


Bryan Murray confirmed an ESPN report Friday he spoke to the leafs about Clarkson ..........................

"What happened was (Nonis) called me and asked if we'd be interested in talking about (Clarkson)," Murray told the Sun. "I think (Clarkson) will be better elsewhere and there's no question that what happened in toronto was not a good thing for him or the team.

"I threw some names at (Nonis) and he said he would take their contracts and I said, 'It has to be more than that and you'd have to eat some money to.' We just talked one day and I told him I'd think about it."

Murray said he sat on the idea of acquiring Clarkson for a couple of days while doing his due-diligence. His concern was the leafs weren't going to be taking back enough money and the way contract is structured there is so much in signing bonus that toronto couldn't pick up enough to have it make sense.

http://www.ottawasun.com/...david-clarkson-from-leafs

Someone needs to call some scientists, or mathematicians. Canucks, Habs, and Oiler fans have all said similar things. Somehow, I manage to spend 388% of my time on HB talking about other teams. I guess I spend -288%, at the very least (very most, technically) talking about the Leafs?
- prock

I think you spend at least 90% of your time crocheting yourself underwear.

Oh so wrong, again.


Bryan Murray confirmed an ESPN report Friday he spoke to the leafs about Clarkson ..........................

"What happened was (Nonis) called me and asked if we'd be interested in talking about (Clarkson)," Murray told the Sun. "I think (Clarkson) will be better elsewhere and there's no question that what happened in toronto was not a good thing for him or the team.

"I threw some names at (Nonis) and he said he would take their contracts and I said, 'It has to be more than that and you'd have to eat some money to.' We just talked one day and I told him I'd think about it."

Murray said he sat on the idea of acquiring Clarkson for a couple of days while doing his due-diligence. His concern was the leafs weren't going to be taking back enough money and the way contract is structured there is so much in signing bonus that toronto couldn't pick up enough to have it make sense.

http://www.ottawasun.com/...david-clarkson-from-leafs
- Doppleganger

well, of course he's going to cover his ass now that it came out he wanted to trade assets for one of the worst contracts in the league

I think you spend at least 90% of your time crocheting yourself underwear.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I see Dopps as more of a prepper type than prock.

I see Dopps as more of a prepper type than prock.
- Feeling Glucky?

Fail to plan...........plan to fail.

Fail to plan...........plan to fail.
- Doppleganger

Go back to your bunker

Go back to your bunker
- Feeling Glucky?

I can't, they've discovered it. I was setting up a place to stay for the Pan Am games.

I can't, they've discovered it. I was setting up a place to stay for the Pan Am games.
- Doppleganger

Damn liberals! Damn multiculturalism!

this is when some no-name Goalie comes out of no-where to lead the sens to a few wins in a row..to solidify that 8-10 pick
- senstroll

Bump

Sens sitting with 9th pick
they could climb as high as 11th pick

Bump

Sens sitting with 9th pick
they could climb as high as 11th pick
- senstroll

Some of their fans seem to think 15th

Some of their fans seem to think 15th


- Feeling Glucky?

such a leafy finish to this season for them. late push, feeling positive for next season when they dont make it.. then repeat next season

bad place to be..floating in the middle.. we know what that is all about

such a leafy finish to this season for them. late push, feeling positive for next season when they dont make it.. then repeat next season

bad place to be..floating in the middle.. we know what that is all about
- senstroll

The big difference is that by far the majority of the players on the Senators roster, have been Drafted, Developed and elevated to the NHL by the Senators.

This has never been done, in my memory, by the leafs.

The leafs have tried the retirement contract route, trades and UFAs as a means to building a team, and those methods have failed to produce a team that made it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Finally, someone in the leaf management brains-trust has figured out that in a Cap driven league, you will increase your odds of contending for the Cup, by drafting and developing, like the Senators and many other teams have been doing since the implementation of the Cap.


So you're misinterpreting what you're seeing what the Senators doing lately, they're not doing to trade out, or not re-sign, half of their roster like the leafs typically do, the Senators will come back next season with pretty much the same line up you see today..........a roster with somewhere between 15 and 20 drafted and developed players on their roster..........But with more experience, and will continue to develop as a team together.



So, nothing like the leafs have been doing, spinning their wheels for more than a decade now.

"It's a mediocre at best group"
"Yes, but it's OUR mediocre at best group"

The big difference is that by far the majority of the players on the Senators roster, have been Drafted, Developed and elevated to the NHL by the Senators.

This has never been done, in my memory, by the leafs.

The leafs have tried the retirement contract route, trades and UFAs as a means to building a team, and those methods have failed to produce a team that made it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Finally, someone in the leaf management brains-trust has figured out that in a Cap driven league, you will increase your odds of contending for the Cup, by drafting and developing, like the Senators and many other teams have been doing since the implementation of the Cap.


So you're misinterpreting what you're seeing what the Senators doing lately, they're not doing to trade out, or not re-sign, half of their roster like the leafs typically do, the Senators will come back next season with pretty much the same line up you see today..........a roster with somewhere between 15 and 20 drafted and developed players on their roster..........But with more experience, and will continue to develop as a team together.



So, nothing like the leafs have been doing, spinning their wheels for more than a decade now.
- Doppleganger

If they aren't trading anyone, how are they going to get any difference makers?

If they aren't trading anyone, how are they going to get any difference makers?
- Feeling Glucky?

I know the Draft & Develop method of building a team to get to the Stanley Cup Finals, is completely foreign to you, but you'll get it eventually if the leafs actually emulate
the Senators, who have done it in the past, and are on the road to doing it again.


The Senators had about 15 players, on their 2007 Stanley Cup Finalist team, that were Drafted and developed by Senator Management.


I know you don't completely recognize that most teams that have reached the Stanley Cup Finals over the past decade have followed the Draft & Develop method of building a team ......... you're clinging onto the tried a true method of failure that the leafs have used over that same period of time.

The big difference is that by far the majority of the players on the Senators roster, have been Drafted, Developed and elevated to the NHL by the Senators.

This has never been done, in my memory, by the leafs.

The leafs have tried the retirement contract route, trades and UFAs as a means to building a team, and those methods have failed to produce a team that made it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Finally, someone in the leaf management brains-trust has figured out that in a Cap driven league, you will increase your odds of contending for the Cup, by drafting and developing, like the Senators and many other teams have been doing since the implementation of the Cap.


So you're misinterpreting what you're seeing what the Senators doing lately, they're not doing to trade out, or not re-sign, half of their roster like the leafs typically do, the Senators will come back next season with pretty much the same line up you see today..........a roster with somewhere between 15 and 20 drafted and developed players on their roster..........But with more experience, and will continue to develop as a team together.



So, nothing like the leafs have been doing, spinning their wheels for more than a decade now.
- Doppleganger

there are different routes to take to mediocrity... its not like the sens have not tried trades and UFAs

you have Ryan, Turris, MM, Chaisson, methot, anderson all main parts who were from trades.. and legwand, Mac as UFA

congrats on taking a different route to mediocrity

there are different routes to take to mediocrity... its not like the sens have not tried trades and UFAs

you have Ryan, Turris, MM, Chaisson, methot, anderson all main parts who were from trades.. and legwand, Mac as UFA

congrats on taking a different route to mediocrity
- senstroll

I guess congratulations are overdue on the leafs tried and true method, spend to the cap, hire and fire the coach and GM, sign big name UFAs, trade away the future for an uncoachable winger who feasts on the PP and never drives to the net, or takes a hit to make a play method, that they've been using for over the past decade, that resulted in one playoff appearance.


If you see the Senators as mediocre, then how to the see the leafs???

I guess congratulations are overdue on the leafs tried and true method, spend to the cap, hire and fire the coach and GM, sign big name UFAs, trade away the future for an uncoachable winger who feasts on the PP and never drives to the net, or takes a hit to make a play method, that they've been using for over the past decade, that resulted in one playoff appearance.


If you see the Senators as mediocre, then how to the see the leafs???
- Doppleganger

did you have a stroke at the end?

I guess congratulations are overdue on the leafs tried and true method, spend to the cap, hire and fire the coach and GM, sign big name UFAs, trade away the future for an uncoachable winger who feasts on the PP and never drives to the net, or takes a hit to make a play method, that they've been using for over the past decade, that resulted in one playoff appearance.


If you see the Senators as mediocre, then how to the see the leafs???
- Doppleganger

the leafs have been doing poop wrong for a long time.. thats not news.. I am not in denial or have my head in the sand...

I see the leafs as being in a better spot now..better Management in place to finally rebuild and start the drafting and developing

sens will continue to try a hybrid model...leafs will be better off

the leafs have been doing poop wrong for a long time.. thats not news.. I am not in denial or have my head in the sand...

I see the leafs as being in a better spot now..better Management in place to finally rebuild and start the drafting and developing

sens will continue to try a hybrid model...leafs will be better off
- senstroll

By better management, do you mean Nonis? The guy that brought in Clarkson, and had to do a deal that brought nothing back, just to get out from under that horrendous signing?

The same guy that re-signed Phaneuf to another horrendous contract, that he was not able to unload yesterday? The same guy that has decided to go with a new coach that has a worse record than the coach who he replaced??

The same guy that sent Nylander to Sweden for half the season, before he realized his mistake and brought him over to the AHL, putting his development back a half a year ???


Better management? You're joking right?

By better management, do you mean Nonis? The guy that brought in Clarkson, and had to do a deal that brought nothing back, just to get out from under that horrendous signing?

The same guy that re-signed Phaneuf to another horrendous contract, that he was not able to unload yesterday? The same guy that has decided to go with a new coach that has a worse record than the coach who he replaced??

The same guy that sent Nylander to Sweden for half the season, before he realized his mistake and brought him over to the AHL, putting his development back a half a year ???


Better management? You're joking right?
- Doppleganger

No I am talking about these guys

Brendan Shanahan President & Alternate Governor
Kyle Dubas Assistant General Manager
Brandon Pridham Assistant to the General Manager
Cam Charron Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Darryl Metcalf Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Rob Pettapiece Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Mark Hunter Director of player personnel

Nonis is no longer in charge of the decisions and no longer has Poulin/Loiselle as his advisers

Sending Nylander to play in sweden was the right move...it was not a mistake

Leafs are in a great spot now

No I am talking about these guys

Brendan Shanahan President & Alternate Governor
Kyle Dubas Assistant General Manager
Brandon Pridham Assistant to the General Manager
Cam Charron Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Darryl Metcalf Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Rob Pettapiece Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Mark Hunter Director of player personnel

Nonis is no longer in charge of the decisions and no longer has Poulin/Loiselle as his advisers

Sending Nylander to play in sweden was the right move...it was not a mistake

Leafs are in a great spot now
- senstroll

I agree, playing against men, in a league he's more familiar with, for a half season, is a great way to get used to it a little more.

People overstate the importance of the size of the ice surface. It's a bit of a different game, but not that much.

He's playing very well in the AHL, as one of the youngest kids in the league, so it's all good.

No I am talking about these guys

Brendan Shanahan President & Alternate Governor
Kyle Dubas Assistant General Manager
Brandon Pridham Assistant to the General Manager
Cam Charron Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Darryl Metcalf Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Rob Pettapiece Hockey Research & Development, Analyst
Mark Hunter Director of player personnel

Nonis is no longer in charge of the decisions and no longer has Poulin/Loiselle as his advisers

Sending Nylander to play in sweden was the right move...it was not a mistake

Leafs are in a great spot now
- senstroll

So why did they yank him out of MoDo, and put him where he belonged in the first place, in the AHL.

He was not going to learn anything connected to the NHL style of play, by being returned to Sweden. It was a stupid move, that once recognized as such, was corrected.

So why did they yank him out of MoDo, and put him where he belonged in the first place, in the AHL.

He was not going to learn anything connected to the NHL style of play, by being returned to Sweden. It was a stupid move, that once recognized as such, was corrected.
- Doppleganger

They took him out of Modo, because Modo was terrible, and he had no one to play with there. If the team was good, going to the playoffs, and he was playing with some snipers, he'd learn a lot. As it is, he's better off with the Marlies.

I agree, playing against men, in a league he's more familiar with, for a half season, is a great way to get used to it a little more.

People overstate the importance of the size of the ice surface. It's a bit of a different game, but not that much.

He's playing very well in the AHL, as one of the youngest kids in the league, so it's all good.
- prock

It's not just the size of the ice surface, it's the style of play that coaches use on it, and the lack of the physical style of play that he needs to get used to in order to play in the NHL.

It was a waste of half a season, as he'd already been there, done that in the previous season.

The leafs should do the right thing by this prospect, and let him know he's going to remain in the AHL for the entire 2015 16 season as well.