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May 10 @ 12:41 PM ET
But signing O'Conner means that Melnyk wants to make the team better, but that doesn't jive with the myth perpetrated by some leaf fans??? - D0PPELGANGER
????????!?!???!?!??!?!????!?!?!?
the senators still work with a self implemented cap, and again, they signed a dude to a rookie contract. you're not going to convince anyone that this is a grandstanding act indicative of melnyk's unwavering financial support of the team
the senators still work with a self implemented cap, and again, they signed a dude to a rookie contract. you're not going to convince anyone that this is a grandstanding act indicative of melnyk's unwavering financial support of the team - Shutdown
Are you suggesting the team's payroll is going to the same or lower next season?
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May 10 @ 12:51 PM ET
Are you suggesting the team's payroll is going to the same or lower next season? - D0PPELGANGER
i don't (frank)ing know
are you saying signing a rookie goalie is a massive financial investment that refutes the argument "some leafs fans" are making about melnyk's track record of being a cheap owner?
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May 10 @ 1:02 PM ET
But signing O'Conner means that Melnyk wants to make the team better, but that doesn't jive with the myth perpetrated by some leaf fans??? - D0PPELGANGER
are you saying signing a rookie goalie is a massive financial investment that refutes the argument "some leafs fans" are making about melnyk's track record of being a cheap owner? - Shutdown
Let me cut to the chase.
The Senators payroll is going up next season as planned. Ottawa lowered it's payroll when they started the current re-build a few season back.
Some leaf fans think all teams should spend to cap as the leafs have done forever, and suggest that Ottawa has not been serious about building a contending team becasue they lowered their payroll, and have publicly stated many times that as the re-build goes forward and prospects develop and become NHLers the payroll will increase accordingly.
This approach boggles the mind of some leaf fans as they only see one way of doing business in the NHL, and that is the leafs way of spending to the cap every year for the past decade, and they only have 7 playoff games to show for it. Meanwhile the Senators have played about 63 playoff games in the same decade, and have even managed to make the playoffs a couple of times while re-building.
Matt O'Connor signed with Ottawa and is at least two years away from playing in the NHL. So he is part of the re-building process and will be the backup in two years.
the senators still work with a self implemented cap, and again, they signed a dude to a rookie contract. you're not going to convince anyone that this is a grandstanding act indicative of melnyk's unwavering financial support of the team - Shutdown
Especially since rumor has it they might be dropping one of the other goalies to make room for the one hit wonder
he's a good prospect, you can't base yourself on stats in the NCAA - Shutdown
They don't play enough games in the NCAA, So agree with your point.
So it's still a gamble, signing him and seeing how he does in the AHL will give them a good idea where or if he fits in their plans. He did attend a development camp with the Senators a few years back, so they've got a pretty good idea of the kind of prospect he is.
Besides when Hammond signs with the team with the best offer, the depth at the goal tending in the system will be pretty shallow, and O'Connor will not be challenged in Bingo.
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May 11 @ 9:38 AM ET
nothing to get excited about..very long shot at having any success in the NHL
Garret Hohl @GarretHohl
O'Connor is decent prospect, 92.1 sv% over 2k shots in NCAA is pretty good, but people are acting like he's a ~94ish sv% NCAA goalie.
Garret Hohl @GarretHohl
Here is a slightly random sample goalies that had *just* over .920 careers w/ over 1k shots in NCAA:
Garret Hohl @GarretHohl
Caveat to my tweet that everyone is RT:
There are very few NHL G jobs. Usually only the elites make it, no matter the league they come from.
Garret Hohl @GarretHohl
Getting O`Connor is great for the Sens because it's a free lotto ticket. Free ticket > none but it's not much more than a lotto ticket.
nothing to get excited about..very long shot at having any success in the NHL - senstroll
here, i'll pick a random sample of NCAA goalies, who's sv% was usually between 0.920-0.925.........let's see how my "random sample" holds up to that guys "random sample"
Tim Thomas
Jonathan Quick
jimmy howard
ben bishop
cory schneider
shocking, it's almost like having a sample bias might have an effect on the conclusion.
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May 11 @ 1:51 PM ET
here, i'll pick a random sample of NCAA goalies, who's sv% was usually between 0.920-0.925.........let's see how my "random sample" holds up to that guys "random sample"
Tim Thomas
Jonathan Quick
jimmy howard
ben bishop
cory schneider
shocking, it's almost like having a sample bias might have an effect on the conclusion. - sensarmy_11
Goalies are very hard to predict, all those players were drafted as 18 year olds though
the "Slightly Random sample" was for 2010-13
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May 11 @ 2:05 PM ET
Cool so get excited?
what is your prediction - senstroll
I haven't see him enough to say whether or not he's full-fledged #1 prospect. But he has great technicals and he's 6'6. it's all about how he adjusts to the pro game, mostly mentally.
Goalies are very hard to predict, all those players were drafted as 18 year olds thoughthe "Slightly Random sample" was for 2010-13
i think the conclusion is fine. - senstroll
not sure what your point is? they were better when they were 18, but all of them played 3-4 years of university and didn't get to the NHL til they were well into their 20's.
could o'connor flop.......sure. but with the number of scouts that were drooling over this kid, after probably watching every game and practice he had this year, i have a hard time believing they're all wrong.
he might flop, sure, and he might end up winning 5 vezina's too............the truth is probably somewhere in between, and the fact that ottawa didn't have to give up anything to get him means that it's all house money.
not sure what your point is? they were better when they were 18, but all of them played 3-4 years of university and didn't get to the NHL til they were well into their 20's.
could o'connor flop.......sure. but with the number of scouts that were drooling over this kid, after probably watching every game and practice he had this year, i have a hard time believing they're all wrong.
he might flop, sure, and he might end up winning 5 vezina's too............the truth is probably somewhere in between, and the fact that ottawa didn't have to give up anything to get him means that it's all house money. - sensarmy_11
"The truth is somewhere in between" is one of the most useless phrases, especially when applied to two opposite extremes.
Case in point, the homeless man I saw yesterday drinking his own piss might become a billionaire by year's end, or he could continue his ammonia based diet. The truth is probably somewhere inbetween.
Or we can wait and see how much Melnyk puts back into his team, and how much goes to his extended vacation. - Feeling Glucky?
so your post
There were rumors that Ottawa it's looking to shed salary, and they're no where near the cap.
Melnyk is milking that team for everything it's got. - Feeling Glucky?
is 100% BS then.
Melnyk has stated many times. publicly, that he will spend money on salaries as the re-build continues and the GM needs to lock up developing players that they want top keep long term when their contracts come up for renewal.
December 16, 2014
“I’m not the least embarrassed about us spending at the bottom,” Melnyk said Monday afternoon at his 11th annual charity skate for kids. “I’m happy about it because we’ll be able to spend more in the future and some can’t. Some are stuck.”
Melnyk said he and general manager Bryan Murray spoke as recently as Monday morning.
“We’re not in any way restricted,” said Melnyk. “(Murray) has not come back to me and he said there’s nothing out there that he could actually spend money on.”
That’s not to say the Senators aren’t prepared to increase their payroll. With a number of players facing restricted free agency this summer Melnyk says they won’t have any choice but to spend.
