exactly what I am hoping the sens think
- senstroll

Sens fans know what we have coming up through the system, and if Condra decides to move on, it's an opportunity for someone else.

what about the leafs? When is Tyler Biggs going to take the next step?

Sens fans know what we have coming up through the system, and if Condra decides to move on, it's an opportunity for someone else.

what about the leafs? When is Tyler Biggs going to take the next step?
- D0PPELGANGER

Maybe around the time Cowan does
Cowan is a good buyout candidate..been so bad

He's a replaceable player, from within the Senator's organization, and he'll probably get a better deal else than what he could get in Ottawa knowing this.
- D0PPELGANGER

but the goalie who played 20 good games before disappearing in the playoffs- he's worth 3 years, and the inevitable trade of one of the other more established goalies.

Maybe around the time Cowan does
Cowan is a good buyout candidate..been so bad
- senstroll

who is Cowan?

but the goalie who played 20 good games before disappearing in the playoffs- he's worth 3 years, and the inevitable trade of one of the other more established goalies.


- Schenn-Sational!

Ottawa has only one established goaltender.

Lehner has only 86 games in the NHL.

who is Cowan?
- D0PPELGANGER

exactly

Ottawa has only one established goaltender.

Lehner has only 86 games in the NHL.
- D0PPELGANGER

What does the word "more" mean?

Maybe around the time Cowan does
Cowan is a good buyout candidate..been so bad
- senstroll

Managed to find a trading partner to take him and Greening off the Sens hands, and received a D man in return, who will actually take to the ice, instead of sitting in the press box.

Managed to find a trading partner to take him and Greening off the Sens hands, and received a D man in return, who will actually take to the ice, instead of sitting in the press box.
- D0PPELGANGER

And gave up a 2nd round pick. And a prospect. And really awful contract too. I'll take the press box.

Could have been a leaf, and so could the future Norris finalist..........what's his name?


There seems to be a LOT of former leaf first round picks (traded or used then traded) floating around the NHL.

2000 used then traded
2001 used then traded
2002 used then traded
2003 traded
2004 traded
2005 used then traded
2006 used then traded
2007 traded
2008 used then traded
2009 -
2010 traded
2011 traded one (used two others)
2012 -
2013 -
2014 -
- Doppleganger

This should be updated. To include both Leafs and Sens. What a major shift for both teams.

And gave up a 2nd round pick. And a prospect. And really awful contract too. I'll take the press box.
- systemtool

There you go again, worrying about a contract, rather than the team on the ice.

I'd rather have Dion contributing every game, on the ice, rather than Cowen taking up a roster spot, not being healthy enough to play on the ice.

There you go again, worrying about a contract, rather than the team on the ice.

I'd rather have Dion contributing every game, on the ice, rather than Cowen taking up a roster spot, not being healthy enough to play on the ice.
- D0PPELGANGER

Salary cap. Budgets. Only an idiot would ignore these things. Don't worry you'll have dion. For a long time.

No update on your whole draft tracker thing? There you go again ignoring vital factors.

Salary cap. Budgets. Only an idiot would ignore these things. Don't worry you'll have dion. For a long time.

No update on your whole draft tracker thing? There you go again ignoring vital factors.
- systemtool

I tune in to watch the games played on the ice, you can dig into all the contract, salary cap, no trade clauses issues all you want ......... at the end of the day it's the play on the ice that wins or loses games.

Ottawa had a Dman being paid not to play because of injury issues, and was taking up a roster spot. Now they have another player, who should be able to take a regular shift, barring injury for the entire season ........ what he's being paid, and for how long is not that big of a factor, in terms of the the teams play on the ice.

Now if his skill level deteriorates over the next couple of seasons, and needs to come out of the line up and replaced, then that's what will happen, and he'll be traded or bought out.

I tune in to watch the games played on the ice, you can dig into all the contract, salary cap, no trade clauses issues all you want ......... at the end of the day it's the play on the ice that wins or loses games.

Ottawa had a Dman being paid not to play because of injury issues, and was taking up a roster spot. Now they have another player, who should be able to take a regular shift, barring injury for the entire season ........ what he's being paid, and for how long is not that big of a factor, in terms of the the teams play on the ice.

Now if his skill level deteriorates over the next couple of seasons, and needs to come out of the line up and replaced, then that's what will happen, and he'll be traded or bought out.
- D0PPELGANGER

The salary is part of the game as are budgets whether you personally agree or not. No draft thingy? I'm not shocked.

The salary is part of the game as are budgets whether you personally agree or not. No draft thingy? I'm not shocked.
- systemtool

So do the line combinations have a Cap? Do teams get penalized if they have more than 15 Million dollars in Salary on the ice, at the same time.

Once the puck is dropped, it does not matter who makes what amount of money,it's totally irrelevant to how the game is coached, and played.

I can just see you now screaming at the TV when a leaf, in your opinion, has a so called bad contract and misses a pass.

Your obsession with salary, contract length, no trade clauses, signing bonuses etc blinds you to the fact that the game in played on the ice, and not at the negotiating table.

Do you take salaries into account when watching the Olympics or the World Cup of hockey?

So do the line combinations have a Cap? Do teams get penalized if they have more than 15 Million dollars in Salary on the ice, at the same time.

Once the puck is dropped, it does not matter who makes what amount of money,it's totally irrelevant to how the game is coached, and played.

I can just see you now screaming at the TV when a leaf, in your opinion, has a so called bad contract and misses a pass.

Your obsession with salary, contract length, no trade clauses, signing bonuses etc blinds you to the fact that the game in played on the ice, and not at the negotiating table.

Do you take salaries into account when watching the Olympics or the World Cup of hockey?
- D0PPELGANGER

Agreed.

Having mediocre aging players signed to big $ contracts is one of the keys to building a winning team.

Agreed.

Having mediocre aging players signed to big $ contracts is one of the keys to building a winning team.
- Tumbleweed

I didn't read his last post and won't read or comment on any more until we get an updated draft pick tracker for both teams.

I didn't read his last post and won't read or comment on any more until we get an updated draft pick tracker for both teams.
- systemtool

Have no idea as to what you're referring too visa vie "updated draft pick tracker " ...... is it possible you're thinking of someone else?

Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.prosportstrans...hockey/DraftTrades/Years/

Could have been a leaf, and so could the future Norris finalist..........what's his name?


There seems to be a LOT of former leaf first round picks (traded or used then traded) floating around the NHL.

2000 used then traded
2001 used then traded
2002 used then traded
2003 traded
2004 traded
2005 used then traded
2006 used then traded
2007 traded
2008 used then traded
2009 -
2010 traded
2011 traded one (used two others)
2012 -
2013 -
2014 -
- Doppleganger

No. I mean this. This is what I'm talking about. Start 2009. Both teams.

No. I mean this. This is what I'm talking about. Start 2009. Both teams.
- systemtool

Don't know how to use the internet?

Oh wait, you're a leaf fan .......... sorry.

After 17 games it would appear that the Senator's rebuild is proceeding rather well. If anything Senator fans should be concerned that short term success will lead to a loss of a potential lottery pick.

The Leafs on the other hand are now 7 years into their rebuild and you have to wonder if they really have an overall strategy that will see them actually emerge as a serious competitor at some point.


- spatso

Bump

What a change... spatso was concerned about the Sens getting a worse draft pick

The Leafs are getting those lottery picks and the Sens are in year 5 of the rebuild and you have to wonder if they really have an overall strategy that will see them actually emerge as a serious competitor at some point.

Bump

What a change... spatso was concerned about the Sens getting a worse draft pick

The Leafs are getting those lottery picks and the Sens are in year 5 of the rebuild and you have to wonder if they really have an overall strategy that will see them actually emerge as a serious competitor at some point.
- senstroll

Oh, I don’t wonder that at all. We know the answer.

The Senators "re-build" did suffer a set back, when Spezza decided to jump ship, and the Senators were forced into trading from a position of weakness, and did not get back as much as what Spezza brought to the table.

So the two Ontario based teams "re-Builds" maybe a little closer than you might think, with the Senators having to back a few steps back, and the leafs have taken a few giant steps forward by tanking and winning the lottery.

So right now, before the Season starts, the Sens are starting a number of poll positions ahead of the leafs, in the race for a playoff spot, and the leafs could be appearing closer in the rear-view mirror in a season or two.

Neither team make the playoffs this season. Things may change as the season progresses, but on paper, the Conference overall has improved, and I don't see an Ontario team in the playoffs.

The Senators "re-build" did suffer a set back, when Spezza decided to jump ship, and the Senators were forced into trading from a position of weakness, and did not get back as much as what Spezza brought to the table.

So the two Ontario based teams "re-Builds" maybe a little closer than you might think, with the Senators having to back a few steps back, and the leafs have taken a few giant steps forward by tanking and winning the lottery.

So right now, before the Season starts, the Sens are starting a number of poll positions ahead of the leafs, in the race for a playoff spot, and the leafs could be appearing closer in the rear-view mirror in a season or two.

Neither team make the playoffs this season. Things may change as the season progresses, but on paper, the Conference overall has improved, and I don't see an Ontario team in the playoffs.
- D0PPELGANGER

I am trying to understand how that hurt the rebuild... Trading a 30 year old for picks and prospects should help it,,you never get full value back immediately

The sens got back a package of meh ...probably similar to the Leafs trading Kessel
But that helps the rebuild for the leafs not hurt it

I am trying to understand how that hurt the rebuild... Trading a 30 year old for picks and prospects should help it,,you never get full value back immediately

The sens got back a package of meh ...probably similar to the Leafs trading Kessel
But that helps the rebuild for the leafs not hurt it
- senstroll

Well, look at what they got though.

Guptill, broke through last year. From the ECHL to the AHL. Not much of an asset, if at all.

Chiaisson, pretty much useless. Sent packing for other useless garbage.

Nick Paul, probably the best of the bunch, really not projecting into anything more than a depth plug at this point.

Rd 2 pick.

They really didn't get anything for him at all.

Even if Kessel got sold cheap, he still brought back far more. Spaling got packaged for more second round picks, which was used to get Andersen. Kapanen is a pretty solid prospect. Harrington turned into Rychel, another decent prospect.

If they had sold off Spezza, and fully committed to rebuilding, and maybe got a few more picks, they'd be better off, but they didn't. Teams don't that idea though. The whole "we can retool on the fly" idea is attractive, but it just doesn't work.