Is it still your contention that "if not for those 4 extra games" in Kadri's rookie season, that he would be in contention for the Calder this season?
- Doppleganger

Is it your contention that the SEL is not a professional league?

Ummm, no I didn't. It's 25 games in ONE season. 21 <<< 25.
- Dirte

To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played more than 25 games in any single preceding season nor in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons in any major professional league.

To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played more than 25 games in any single preceding season nor in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons in any major professional league.
- Doppleganger

Is it your contention that the SEL is not a pro league?

Before you jump in to defend your buddy. It's his contention that "if not for four games in his rookie season" he would be contending for the Calder this season.

He totally forgot about the 21 games he played for the leafs in the season after he lost his Calder eligibility.

Do you really want to accompany him down that road?
- Doppleganger

I dont care about Calder eligibility
the part I am commenting on is how you are spinning it to seem like Kadri was some failure his first 2 callups, where as Silfverberg is right on track.

Silfverberg is NOT going to be sent to the AHL this season, like Kadri was in his rookie season in 2010-11, and will not be sent to the AHL next season either, as Kadri was in 2011-12 in his second failed attempt to make the NHL.

Kadri and Silfverberg were drafted the same year, they are almost the exact same age. Silfverberg has played 200 pro games between SEL (166) and AHL (34). if Silfverberg was canadian or american he would have been playing in the AHL instead of SEL. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by making it seem like Kadri was a failure because he wasnt an NHL star his first 2 callups, but Silfverberg is right on trade despite being the same age and playing more "pro" games than Kadri

I dont care about Calder eligibility
the part I am commenting on is how you are spinning it to seem like Kadri was some failure his first 2 callups, where as Silfverberg is right on track.



Kadri and Silfverberg were drafted the same year, they are almost the exact same age. Silfverberg has played 200 pro games between SEL (166) and AHL (34). if Silfverberg was canadian or american he would have been playing in the AHL instead of SEL. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by making it seem like Kadri was a failure because he wasnt an NHL star his first 2 callups, but Silfverberg is right on trade despite being the same age and playing more "pro" games than Kadri
- senstroll

It each of Kadri's two previous attempts to make the leafs, did he ever lead the team in goals and or plus/minus?

It each of Kadri's two previous attempts to make the leafs, did he ever lead the team in goals and or plus/minus?
- Doppleganger

not sure.. i do know when given a fulltime opportunity this season, just like Silfverberg and them being the same age.... he is near the top of the NHL not just his team in +/- and is leading his team in goals, as well as 8th in NHL scoring.

pretty good for a player wrote off by everyone and ranked below Silfverberg on your charts

It each of Kadri's two previous attempts to make the leafs, did he ever lead the team in goals and or plus/minus?
- Doppleganger

No, but he's never played for a team where the leading scorer scores at a 30 point clip either.

Turris is currently SIXTY-FIFTH in league scoring, and you're pointing to it like some sort of accomplishment. You're sinking pretty low.

not sure.. i do know when given a fulltime opportunity this season, just like Silfverberg and them being the same age.... he is near the top of the NHL not just his team in +/- and is leading his team in goals, as aell as 8th in NHL scoring.

pretty good for a player wrote off by everyone and ranked below Silfverberg on your charts
- senstroll

leading his team.... LOL. Kadri is damn near the top of the LEAGUE, forget about leading his team.

How cute.

leading his team.... LOL. Kadri is damn near the top of the LEAGUE, forget about leading his team.

How cute.
- Dirte

If Kadri played only 25 games in 2010-11, would his 21 games in 2011-12 affect his Calder chances in 2012-13?

If Kadri played only 25 games in 2010-11, would his 21 games in 2011-12 affect his Calder chances in 2012-13?
- Doppleganger

Is the SEL a pro league?

Is the SEL a pro league?
- Dirte

Did Kadri play more than 6 games in each of the two previous seasons?

Well, with the concerns over Cowen’s injury history when he was drafted, and his current situation, I think that can safely be put to rest. I can’t imagine a single GM in the league that would prefer to have Cowen on their roster over Kadri at this point. In fact, at this point, I arguably can’t really see any players drafted outside the top 5 that most GMs would prefer over Kadri, from that draft. Johansen and O’Reilly are really the only possible ones there.

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that had he not burnt up his rookie season with the 29 games two seasons ago, he’d likely be considered the front runner for the Calder right now.
- Dirte

Did Kadri play more than 6 games in each of the two previous seasons?
- Doppleganger

Is the SEL a pro league?

Is the SEL a pro league?
- Dirte

Only if you consider them "professional" in that their players are contracted and paid, and a "league" in that they've organized into teams for the purposes of seasonal play. I mean, if that's all it takes to be a "pro league..."

Definitely a top-4 pro league in the world...

Only if you consider them "professional" in that their players are contracted and paid, and a "league" in that they've organized into teams for the purposes of seasonal play. I mean, if that's all it takes to be a "pro league..."

Definitely a top-4 pro league in the world...
- Mr_Squeaks

It's arguably the second best pro league in the world. It can definitely give the KHL a run for the money, and in terms of style of play, it's the closest to the NHL of all the Euro leagues, I'd say. They're not all flash and dash, they play some physical two way hockey in Sweden. Far moreso than in the KHL.

It's arguably the second best pro league in the world. It can definitely give the KHL a run for the money, and in terms of style of play, it's the closest to the NHL of all the Euro leagues, I'd say. They're not all flash and dash, they play some physical two way hockey in Sweden. Far moreso than in the KHL.
- Dirte

It's like the KHL with less mafia.

Only if you consider them "professional" in that their players are contracted and paid, and a "league" in that they've organized into teams for the purposes of seasonal play. I mean, if that's all it takes to be a "pro league..."

Definitely a top-4 pro league in the world...
- Mr_Squeaks

From what I've seen of the SEL, there is little physical play in the game, bordering on no contact.

Contrary to popular opinion it is not my purpose to knock the Leafs. In fact, I agree entirely with your comment that the Leafs have never really done a rebuild. They seem to be entirely content with continuing to hang on the edges and try and make the playoffs. Their avoidance of doing a full rebuild is what I have been critical about. But, my comments are normally reserved for MLSE and the overall management of the Leafs.
- spatso

And now they must make every effort to re-sign Kessel before the 2013/14 trade deadline.

And now they must make every effort to re-sign Kessel before the 2013/14 trade deadline.
- Doppleganger

No Problem, Kessel has said he likes it in Toronto, and after this season and the playoffs (even if they were out in 1 round) he can see what its like to be a Leaf when the times are good. There is no doubt in my mind now Kessel can handle to pressure of preforming in the playoffs.


http://www.thestar.com/sp...ronto_his_agent_says.html

Maple Leafs sniper Phil Kessel wants to finish his career in Toronto, his agent says

I think we can put this to bed

The most money is in Toronto thanks to the new CBA. Kessel will re-sign. I'll be quite shocked if he doesn't.

Look at the sad list of UFA's this year. All the big names re-signed with their teams. And the days of 15 year retirement deals are over.

The most money is in Toronto thanks to the new CBA. Kessel will re-sign. I'll be quite shocked if he doesn't.

Look at the sad list of UFA's this year. All the big names re-signed with their teams. And the days of 15 year retirement deals are over.
- RogerRoeper

There's going to be some massive overpayments this summer. First Clowe, Horton and Clarkson. Then guys like Stalberg, Bickell and even Antropov will be overpaid once those three go.
Then unproven young guys like Gagner, Kadri, Johansson, Hodgson will be signed to bigger contracts than they're currently worth.

Defense will have some more good value guys kicking around

There's going to be some massive overpayments this summer. First Clowe, Horton and Clarkson. Then guys like Stalberg, Bickell and even Antropov will be overpaid once those three go.
Then unproven young guys like Gagner, Kadri, Johansson, Hodgson will be signed to bigger contracts than they're currently worth.

Defense will have some more good value guys kicking around
- Morris

Clarkson will be overpaid in the latter years of this contract that the leafs gave him (seven years, $36.75 million) if he continues to play the same style of play he has done for the past few years in NJ. Was he playing hard just to get the "retirement" contract that the leafs were famous for in the past?? For leaf fans I hope not, but we'll see in a few years if his body can stand the style of play he was signed for.

Valid point. But I think Clarkson has easily the less abuse on his body than Horton or Clowe. Clowe scored 3 goals last season. 3. And Horton will miss at the very least half of next season because he's having surgery this summer.

I'm not a fan of the Clarkson deal, but I would be less enthused with Clowe or Horton.

Valid point. But I think Clarkson has easily the less abuse on his body than Horton or Clowe. Clowe scored 3 goals last season. 3. And Horton will miss at the very least half of next season because he's having surgery this summer.

I'm not a fan of the Clarkson deal, but I would be less enthused with Clowe or Horton.
- RogerRoeper

I agree. Clarkson has great value not just for his direct production but also for how his game opens time and space for his team. Clowe used to have that kind of game, but there is not much left in the tank.

Just not a fan of Horton. He has all the tools but never seems ready to show up and work.

I would have preferred a 4 year deal at 6mil..hell even 6.25 for Clarkson, its the 3 extra years tacked on that have me worried, but for the next 3 seasons he is the type of player the leafs need in the top 6.

I would have preferred a 4 year deal at 6mil..hell even 6.25 for Clarkson, its the 3 extra years tacked on that have me worried, but for the next 3 seasons he is the type of player the leafs need in the top 6.
- senstroll

Did pretty well without him.

Wonder if he's going to upset the "Chemistry"?