Spatso's point was Seguin is a franchise player that will lead the Bruins for the next 15 years and Dougie Hamilton will win multiple Norris'. Oh and Phil Kessel sucks.

People really bought that anti-Toronto media driven B.S.

The most money is in Toronto thanks to the new CBA. Kessel will re-sign. I'll be quite shocked if he doesn't.

Look at the sad list of UFA's this year. All the big names re-signed with their teams. And the days of 15 year retirement deals are over.
- RogerRoeper

Indeed.

I would suggest that the Senators re-build has taken a step back with the departure of a couple of veterans and the trade of a couple of prospects and a first rounder, with only the addition of Ryan and MacArthur for two seasons,

And two veteran Defence men becoming UFA's after this season do they resign either of them, trade them?

I would suggest that the Senators re-build has taken a step back with the departure of a couple of veterans and the trade of a couple of prospects and a first rounder, with only the addition of Ryan and MacArthur for two seasons,

And two veteran Defence men becoming UFA's after this season do they resign either of them, trade them?
- Doppleganger

Yeah, Spezza is aging, Turris is Turris, and Conacher is not working out so far. They have Ryan and that is about it up front.

Kind of surprised as everyone thought they would be a playoff contending team.

Yeah, Spezza is aging, Turris is Turris, and Conacher is not working out so far. They have Ryan and that is about it up front.

Kind of surprised as everyone thought they would be a playoff contending team.
- rmiethaner

Turris has, at times this season, been their best forward. He is the most consistant and has 15 points in 15 games. He get's better each year and is getting time on the point with the 1st PP unit. No complaints with his game.

Spezza is still not 100% recovering from his last injury, and needs to get healthy, but is still a PPG player.

Conacher is a great hustler and great forechesker, but is not, at this time going to add much offence and does not belong in the top two lines.


Although they are not a playoff team right now, they are only 3 points behind Montreal (last playoff spot) with one game in hand.

Yeah, Spezza is aging, Turris is Turris, and Conacher is not working out so far. They have Ryan and that is about it up front.

Kind of surprised as everyone thought they would be a playoff contending team.
- rmiethaner

Yeah, I don't get how people can look at a crap team that WAY overachieved, scraped into a playoff spot, that loses it's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th leading scorers (to start the year anyway), gains one injury prone first line centre that probably won't play the year anyway, and a one dimensional defensively inept Dman, and think that team is somehow better.

They're not underperforming right now. They're just not very good. This Bobby Ryan trade will absolutely decimate them too. They gave up some decent building blocks, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for him to stick around at the end of this contract. The team isn't going anywhere, Ottawa as a city won't attract anyone. Silfverberg, Noesen (who, admittedly, I don't see much out of), and a lottery pick for 2 years of Bobby Ryan. The Sens got fleeced.

Yeah, I don't get how people can look at a crap team that WAY overachieved, scraped into a playoff spot, that loses it's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th leading scorers (to start the year anyway), gains one injury prone first line centre that probably won't play the year anyway, and a one dimensional defensively inept Dman, and think that team is somehow better.

They're not underperforming right now. They're just not very good. This Bobby Ryan trade will absolutely decimate them too. They gave up some decent building blocks, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for him to stick around at the end of this contract. The team isn't going anywhere, Ottawa as a city won't attract anyone. Silfverberg, Noesen (who, admittedly, I don't see much out of), and a lottery pick for 2 years of Bobby Ryan. The Sens got fleeced.
- prock

Have you just been waiting to pounce all season long

Have you just been waiting to pounce all season long

- top shelf 15

Just off ban. A couple of months of retribution to let loose.

Just off ban. A couple of months of retribution to let loose.
- prock

Meh i have leaf envy ,they may not always do the right thing in terms of player movement .But their ownership group will spend whatever is nesssary to improve the team

Meh i have leaf envy ,they may not always do the right thing in terms of player movement .But their ownership group will spend whatever is nesssary to improve the team

- top shelf 15

Funny, so many years of hearing "yeah, you must be so proud your team is popular and makes money.... NO ONE CARES".

I can think of a couple of teams that care at this point.

Funny, so many years of hearing "yeah, you must be so proud your team is popular and makes money.... NO ONE CARES".

I can think of a couple of teams that care at this point.
- prock

Nope you are right leaf nation has taken its lumps

the draft pick the sens traded for Ryan could end up being a high pick
currently 24th in the NHL

the draft pick the sens traded for Ryan could end up being a high pick
currently 24th in the NHL
- senstroll

It looks like it today. However there seems to be a number of good prospects in the system at this time, so the impact of not having a first rounder next spring may be not as important as was the acquisition of Bobby Ryan.

However, if the Senators drop further in the standings, the "pick" would increase it's odds of winning the lottery and the first pick over all. And if that happened, Ottawa fans would know how leaf fans felt when they missed out on Seguin & Hamilton.

That being said, Murray has to sign Ryan to a long term contract, no matter what happens with the first rounder.

Spezza is no longer a number 1 center.

This team will continue to struggle in direct proportion to the ongoing investment in trying to get Spezza going.

Putting MacArthur on the wing with Spezza is just plain stupid.

This is a very young team. Trades are warrented. This season is over.
- spatso

rebuild stalling

rebuild stalling
- senstroll

In reverse. When Ryan walks the whole debacle will have set the team back many years.

the funny thing is, the braindead moron that posted above said many times that Burke should be fired for the Kessel trade because he traded those picks. Bobby Ryan is way worse, but I guarantee you he won't say the same about Murray.

In reverse. When Ryan walks the whole debacle will have set the team back many years.

the funny thing is, the braindead moron that posted above said many times that Burke should be fired for the Kessel trade because he traded those picks. Bobby Ryan is way worse, but I guarantee you he won't say the same about Murray.
- prock

Stats would say this year Kessel is not way better than Ryan

Stats would say this year Kessel is not way better than Ryan
- jordan456789

omg omg 20 games says it all!


You know it has to be a short stretch if Carey Price still has good stats.

I was curious to see if they'd use a compliance buyout on that piece of crap last summer.

the draft pick the sens traded for Ryan could end up being a high pick
currently 24th in the NHL
- senstroll

Yeah, never saw that coming. Goaltending has dropped off, Spezza doesn't look as good as previous years. Cheap ass owner isn't helping, I feel bad for Murray and the Sens management/scouts, they have a solid management/scouting group but their owner is really (frank)ing them over.

Yeah, never saw that coming. Goaltending has dropped off, Spezza doesn't look as good as previous years. Cheap ass owner isn't helping, I feel bad for Murray and the Sens management/scouts, they have a solid management/scouting group but their owner is really (frank)ing them over.
- Nucker101

Take a realistic look at that roster. It's not that crazy. Its a terrible roster. Their team really sucks. It was just bailed out by goaltending playing way above their heads in recent years.

Stats would say this year Kessel is not way better than Ryan
- jordan456789

With a mangled wrist and Peter Holland, sure.

Take a realistic look at that roster. It's not that crazy. Its a terrible roster. Their team really sucks. It was just bailed out by goaltending playing way above their heads in recent years.
- prock

That's what I said in the offseason. the hype they got was pretty ridiculous. The feeling amongst people was if they played that well with so many injuries they'll do better as a healthier team. No one mentioned the goaltending issue.

The Sens just aren't that good.

That's what I said in the offseason. the hype they got was pretty ridiculous. The feeling amongst people was if they played that well with so many injuries they'll do better as a healthier team. No one mentioned the goaltending issue.

The Sens just aren't that good.
- RogerRoeper

The sens last year were not that great and was all goaltending. They played well with the injuries but you cant just rely on goaltending all the time. Even the habs outplayed them in the playoffs and was all anderson.

The sens last year were not that great and was all goaltending. They played well with the injuries but you cant just rely on goaltending all the time. Even the habs outplayed them in the playoffs and was all anderson.
- jordan456789

That isnt true at all ,yes montreal made lots of skilled plays and took a ton of shots .But they failed badly in the dirty areas of the game,which is in front of both nets

Meh goaltending ,look at our blueline .It has far too much inexperience on it .Gryba,Cowen ,Weircoch.Are all below or at 100 nhl games played.The veteran support was taken away too soon imho .And its killing us

That isnt true at all ,yes montreal made lots of skilled plays and took a ton of shots .But they failed badly in the dirty areas of the game,which is in front of both nets
- top shelf 15

The sens had the advantage is goaltending and physical play but the habs dictated the play and had the majority of the scoring chances. If not for anderson (or Price falling apart) it would have been a much different series.