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Sharks_12
San Jose Sharks
Location: *Not Getting The Bit* Regina, SK
Joined: 10.03.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:30 AM ET

















East Rank Team Points GP Point Percentage Projected Points
1 New York Rangers 23 17 0.676 111
2 Boston Bruins 22 18 0.611 100
3 Florida Panthers 23 19 0.605 99
4 Philadelphia Flyers 25 19 0.658 108
5 Pittsburgh Penguins 25 20 0.625 103
6 Buffalo Sabers 24 20 0.600 98
7 Washington Capitals 21 18 0.583 96
8 New Jersey Devils 21 18 0.583 96
9 Toronto Maple Leafs 24 21 0.571 94
10 Tampa Bay Lightning 20 19 0.526 86
11 Montreal Canadiens 21 20 0.525 86
12 Ottawa Senators 22 21 0.524 86
13 Winnipeg Jets 19 20 0.475 78
14 Carolina Hurricanes 17 21 0.405 66
15 New York Islanders 13 17 0.382 63

















West Rank Team Points GP Point Percentage Projected Points
1 San Jose Sharks 25 18 0.694 114
2 Minnesota Wild 27 20 0.675 111
3 Chicago Blackhawks 27 21 0.643 105
4 Phoenix Coyotes 23 18 0.639 105
5 Nashville Predators 24 19 0.632 104
6 Detroit Red Wings 23 19 0.605 99
7 St. Louis Blues 22 19 0.579 95
8 Dallas Stars 22 19 0.579 95
9 Edmonton Oilers 22 19 0.579 95
10 Los Angeles Kings 23 20 0.575 94
11 Vancouver Canucks 21 20 0.525 86
12 Colorado Avalanche 19 21 0.452 74
13 Calgary Flames 17 18 0.472 77
14 Anaheim Ducks 16 20 0.400 66
15 Columbus Blue Jackets 10 19 0.263 43

Updated every Monday morning
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 12:17 PM ET
leafs are toast if it takes 96 points to make the playoffs
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 21 @ 12:49 PM ET
leafs are toast if it takes 96 points to make the playoffs
- senstroll



I doubt that's the case though. It would be a record.
sens rock
Joined: 09.30.2007

Nov 21 @ 12:55 PM ET
I doubt that's the case though. It would be a record.
- prock


chicago had 97 last year and finished 8th. unless you just mean the eastern conference. with 3 point games its very conceivable that 96 points is the threshhold for the playoffs.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 1:16 PM ET
I doubt that's the case though. It would be a record.
- prock


i want to ga back to norris smyth etc.. when you could have 46 points and make the playoffs
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
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Nov 21 @ 1:24 PM ET
chicago had 97 last year and finished 8th. unless you just mean the eastern conference. with 3 point games its very conceivable that 96 points is the threshhold for the playoffs.
- sens rock


That's a fair point. That said, most years it's quite a bit lower. Maybe 90 to 93 points. A couple have been lower, a couple have been higher. The other point is, you'll probably never see a season where both conferences require point totals in the 95+ range to make the playoffs. Any time you see one, the other is likely significantly lower, due to one conference generally winning many games over the other.
sens rock
Joined: 09.30.2007

Nov 21 @ 1:33 PM ET
That's a fair point. That said, most years it's quite a bit lower. Maybe 90 to 93 points. A couple have been lower, a couple have been higher. The other point is, you'll probably never see a season where both conferences require point totals in the 95+ range to make the playoffs. Any time you see one, the other is likely significantly lower, due to one conference generally winning many games over the other.
- prock


currently the east has a record of 38-24-14 against the west, so its looking like the east could be the higher point conference at this point based on that arguement.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
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Nov 21 @ 1:42 PM ET
currently the east has a record of 38-24-14 against the west, so its looking like the east could be the higher point conference at this point based on that arguement.
- sens rock


Nail in the coffin leafs fans

and not Yakupov
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 21 @ 1:52 PM ET
currently the east has a record of 38-24-14 against the west, so its looking like the east could be the higher point conference at this point based on that arguement.
- sens rock


Maybe. I still doubt it takes 96. I also very much doubt it takes that much on both sides, as the charts seem to indicate.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Nov 21 @ 2:18 PM ET
leafs are toast if it takes 96 points to make the playoffs
- senstroll



their current chances of making the playoffs are 37.7%.

Perhaps there is a need for a veteran Goaltender?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 2:28 PM ET
their current chances of making the playoffs are 37.7%.

Perhaps there is a need for a veteran Goaltender?

- Doppleganger


or our starter not being injured anymore
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Nov 21 @ 2:34 PM ET
or our starter not being injured anymore
- senstroll


Your "Starter" was a rookie last season (35 games) and, as you say is injured. From what I've been hearing there is no projected time of return to the line up.

I've also been hearing that the "Monster" may be traded for a veteran goaltender, to shore up the goaltending situation for the season.

Although I did not see the game, but from what I've read, he played well against the Capitals, and perhaps his value is at it's highest, and given the fact the fact that the leafs have been sliding in the standings since Reimer has been out of the line up, maybe someone (veteran) should be brought in to stop the slide.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
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Nov 21 @ 2:41 PM ET
Your "Starter" was a rookie last season (35 games) and, as you say is injured. From what I've been hearing there is no projected time of return to the line up.

- Doppleganger


A week to 10 days, unless there is some sort of setback.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Nov 21 @ 2:53 PM ET
A week to 10 days, unless there is some sort of setback.
- prock


Thanks, did not know that.

Still seems like a bit of a gamble, to hang the team's playoff hopes on one player, who could get injured again once he returns to the line up.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 2:56 PM ET
Your "Starter" was a rookie last season (35 games) and, as you say is injured. From what I've been hearing there is no projected time of return to the line up.

I've also been hearing that the "Monster" may be traded for a veteran goaltender, to shore up the goaltending situation for the season.

Although I did not see the game, but from what I've read, he played well against the Capitals, and perhaps his value is at it's highest, and given the fact the fact that the leafs have been sliding in the standings since Reimer has been out of the line up, maybe someone (veteran) should be brought in to stop the slide.

- Doppleganger


I would be fine if Gus never played for the leafs again... and hope they get a Vet to come in and help... I just dont see BB making any quick moves, he will wait for Reimer to come back and see how that goes. If its any longer than they say (10 days) we will be out of the playoff picture soon. We have 5 points out of a possible 16.. we are hemorrhaging points bad.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 21 @ 3:03 PM ET
Thanks, did not know that.

Still seems like a bit of a gamble, to hang the team's playoff hopes on one player, who could get injured again once he returns to the line up.

- Doppleganger



I don't think they are "pinning their hopes on one player". They've got a borderline playoff team with just passable goaltending. The problem is they're not getting that, as they haven't for many years, until he came along. As a goaltender, and one that has give the Leafs pretty solid tending, there is no doubt he (or some other goalie), is a key part to the team. When you've got the first and third leading scorers in the entire league, one of the top scoring Dmen in the league, it's not like he's doing it all alone.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:58 PM ET
Your "Starter" was a rookie last season (35 games) and, as you say is injured. From what I've been hearing there is no projected time of return to the line up.

I've also been hearing that the "Monster" may be traded for a veteran goaltender, to shore up the goaltending situation for the season.

Although I did not see the game, but from what I've read, he played well against the Capitals, and perhaps his value is at it's highest, and given the fact the fact that the leafs have been sliding in the standings since Reimer has been out of the line up, maybe someone (veteran) should be brought in to stop the slide.

- Doppleganger

.920 save % thus far in his career.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Nov 22 @ 6:27 AM ET
Maybe there is some hope for Columbus to get back in the race. It will be sad after Christmas if it is only a one team race for Yakupov.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Nov 22 @ 10:07 AM ET
.920 save % thus far in his career.
- RogerRoeper


That may be so, but he's still just 43 games into his NHL career.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
It should be noted you gain/lose about 3-5 projected points for every win/loss, so this is a poor predictor of how many point it'll take to make the playoffs. Next monday it could be 90.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 22 @ 11:17 AM ET
It should be noted you gain/lose about 3-5 projected points for every win/loss, so this is a poor predictor of how many point it'll take to make the playoffs. Next monday it could be 90.
- Morris


can you elaborate on this? not sure I follow you
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 22 @ 11:31 AM ET
can you elaborate on this? not sure I follow you
- senstroll

for example: right now the oilers have 22 points in 20 games, or 22 out of a possible 40 points. They're projected to have 90 points. If they win next game they'll have 24 points in 21 games and be projected to have 94 points. If they lose, they'll be projected to have 86 points. Kind of a drastic swing, isn't it? If hypothetically, all or most of the fringe playoff teams lost to either conference leaders or cellar dwellers this week, they'd all swing down in projected points and we'd be talking about how 86 points seems low for an 8th seed.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 22 @ 1:14 PM ET
for example: right now the oilers have 22 points in 20 games, or 22 out of a possible 40 points. They're projected to have 90 points. If they win next game they'll have 24 points in 21 games and be projected to have 94 points. If they lose, they'll be projected to have 86 points. Kind of a drastic swing, isn't it? If hypothetically, all or most of the fringe playoff teams lost to either conference leaders or cellar dwellers this week, they'd all swing down in projected points and we'd be talking about how 86 points seems low for an 8th seed.
- Morris


Not sure I agree with that completely, If Edm is losing someone is winning, sure if you want to take a small sample like that.... The average points to make the playoffs since the lockout us 93, and this year it looks like so far the East is a bit stronger.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:36 PM ET
Not sure I agree with that completely, If Edm is losing someone is winning, sure if you want to take a small sample like that.... The average points to make the playoffs since the lockout us 93, and this year it looks like so far the East is a bit stronger.
- senstroll

All I'm saying is the 93 since the lockout average is probably a better indicator than the 96 projected points at this point. Especially because each game still means so much to projected points.

Mathematically, as the number of games played approaches 82, the number of points you're projected to earn per win approaches two. Obviously, when you're 1-0, with this model you're projected to earn 164 points in a season. I'll trust this projections of what it will take to make the playoffs when we get about 40 games in, and each game won/lost is closer to two in projected points.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Nov 22 @ 4:56 PM ET
All I'm saying is the 93 since the lockout average is probably a better indicator than the 96 projected points at this point. Especially because each game still means so much to projected points.

Mathematically, as the number of games played approaches 82, the number of points you're projected to earn per win approaches two. Obviously, when you're 1-0, with this model you're projected to earn 164 points in a season. I'll trust this projections of what it will take to make the playoffs when we get about 40 games in, and each game won/lost is closer to two in projected points.

- Morris


There is lot more than just projected points that go into figuring out the playoff chances of any given team.

For example, last season at the end of November, 7 of the 8 teams in the Eastern Conference that held playoff spots at that time, held on to them and made the playoffs.

Sites like SportClubStats do a pretty good job of projecting playoff chances using the season schedule and scores for past games, simulation of the season, home ice advantage and many other factors.
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