offensively yea he has. I said from my first post that Roy has better offensive ability.

Plek>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roy in 2-way play.

and if it were such an even swap, every sabres fan wouldnt be loving the idea and every hab fan wouldnt think it was retarded.
- muffin_man

it is a fair swap. how can you even deny that? youre not even looking at the facts:

roy has played 2 less games than plekanec but has put up almost 60 points more.

both players are struggling this season, yet they both have 9 goals.

roy put more than half the points of plekanec last season in less than half as many games.

roy is the only player of both to record a 30 goal season.

roy is the only player of both to reach 80 points.

its been 3-5 years for each player since they were at their best

roy is a year younger and cheaper.



roy > plekanec, montreal gets the better end of the deal.

+/- is the greatest stat in the world as long as it supports your argument.

strength of opponent, comparisons to other players on your team, use in various situations, none of these factor into a +/- debate AT ALL
- muffin_man

Roy is used exactly the same way that Plekanec is. That's the part that you don't understand. And yet, Plekanec is supposedly a much better player defensively according you. Your "theory" is full of holes. Move along now.

Roy is not an 80 points guy anymore.
- deadpoulet

this is easy, plekanec never was

it is a fair swap. how can you even deny that? youre not even looking at the facts:

roy has played 2 less games than plekanec but has put up almost 60 points more.

both players are struggling this season, yet they both have 9 goals.

roy put more than half the points of plekanec last season in less than half as many games.

roy is the only player of both to record a 30 goal season.

roy is the only player of both to reach 80 points.

its been 3-5 years for each player since they were at their best

roy is a year younger and cheaper.



roy > plekanec, montreal gets the better end of the deal.
- theblueandgold

agreed. this trade suggestion is probably the most fair of all that have been talked about. it would probably make the most sense as well only if they trade someone else as well for picks or prospects to delete salary and bring in a #1 center in the offseason.

If thats the deal then personal If I am part of Montreal i would not do this.
Roy is a better offensively gifted player and Plekanec is a better defensively gifted player. This is not to stay that Roy is poor defensively or Plekanec is poor offensively however because their style of play is actually quite similar.

I also realize that there is an advantage to a 2 deal deal at $4 million versus 4 years at $5 million.

The issue here is that Montreal is not going to rebuild. We won't be trading all of our forwards, and D-men. We are going to retool. one the less we are a team with the mentality that special teams is what will win us games and Plekanec is one of the best penalty killers in the league.

Again not saying Roy is poor defensively because he is far from it but he is by that same token not at the same level as Plekanec who repeatedly goes against the oppositions best on a nightly basis with 2 offensive minded players on his wing.

He is also a leader in that locker room which right now shows fragility with the loss of Cammallari who had a voice, Gionta who's gone for the year and then Moen and Gill who are about to be sent packing.

Personally I would not see this as an upgrade for Plekanec so would not make the move. A best this is a wash and so see no need for change.

If they make this move its because management feels Roy is a problem in the locker room. It would be more a trade at improving team chemistry.
- bflodukes

I think more than enough players have hinted at the fact that team chemistry isn't going to be improved by making a player move. I think they're all trying to tell the brain dead media that the coach is killing team chemistry.

Some guys just need a change from time to time, no matter what profession you're in. I'll be honest and say I've never had much love for Roy, dating back to his days in Kitchener where he was actually even more of a diver... but he has talent. That to me is undeniable. I think he is a legit 70-80 point guy, but I think he's either just run out of motivation or he's just become complacent. I'm pretty sure, wherever he goes (if he goes) it'll work out for the team that acquires him.

goat-mez, y'all...

is everything coming up roysies?

I think more than enough players have hinted at the fact that team chemistry isn't going to be improved by making a player move. I think they're all trying to tell the brain dead media that the coach is killing team chemistry.
- lacaprup

Obviously they need the Slug back and maybe some hookers in the locker room...real sloppy cheap ones.

goat-mez, y'all...

is everything coming up roysies?
- b0s0o1

I have a feeling Gomez will be sent to Phoenix.

although i cant talk to the play of plekanic, because i dont get to see him too often. i just think if both teams are looking to make changes to the roster this deal could work. some things become arbitrary when the main point if change.

on the other side, im not totally thrilled if this goes down, 4 years is a long time if you dont plan on going after a #1 center to have a 1, 2 punch.

I think more than enough players have hinted at the fact that team chemistry isn't going to be improved by making a player move. I think they're all trying to tell the brain dead media that the coach is killing team chemistry.
- lacaprup

the biggest problem ive seen in the locker room, which i guess was apparent in previous years if you think about it but now its so much obvious this year is Miller vs the team in front of him.


The team doesnt play in front of Miller (compared to Enroth. They play in front of Enroth with a sense of urgency. Hardly do they give up mistakes like they do in front of Miller). The team doesnt protect Miller (Lucic. Then Tootoo Miller had to do it himself). Miller has said some things this season he hasnt said in the past.


Im not against trading one of the top 5 goalies in the league, but if hes really whats holding the team "chemistry" back or the one dividing the locker room, hes gotta be sent packing. good thing for sabres fans is we'd receive a pretty hefty ransom.

+/- is now, and always has been, a defenseman's stat. It has almost no use for forwards.
- lacaprup

It's only an E3. I'm not getting excited until it gets up to an E4.





More to come...

It's only an E3. I'm not getting excited until it gets up to an E4.





More to come...
- keptupl8

That is my thought too Kept.............

the biggest problem ive seen in the locker room, which i guess was apparent in previous years if you think about it but now its so much obvious this year is Miller vs the team in front of him.


The team doesnt play in front of Miller (compared to Enroth. They play in front of Enroth with a sense of urgency. Hardly do they give up mistakes like they do in front of Miller). The team doesnt protect Miller (Lucic. Then Tootoo Miller had to do it himself). Miller has said some things this season he hasnt said in the past.


Im not against trading one of the top 5 goalies in the league, but if hes really whats holding the team "chemistry" back or the one dividing the locker room, hes gotta be sent packing. good thing for sabres fans is we'd receive a pretty hefty ransom.
- theblueandgold

Wow... You have actually been in the lockerroom to observe what is going on?

goat-mez, y'all...

is everything coming up roysies?
- b0s0o1

Getz-mez and High Tides to you

Everything is all fracked up

roy > plekanec, montreal gets the better end of the deal.
- theblueandgold

I disagree with that last line. While from an offensive statistic standpoint Roy has produced more in his career, Plekanec is a very good two way forward who can play some serious defense in his own end.

Additionally, Plekanec is a better passer and more of a prototypical playmaker than Derek Roy. He'd fit better in our lineup than Roy because we have wingers that need the puck and nobody to get it to them.

I'd say it's about as even as a trade can be.

People, if Ry is so much better than Plek as you seem to want to convince me, why are you suggesting this is a good trade for you?

To follow up my last post though...I don't think this trade will happen. Regier has been reluctant to trade Roy for a while now, and all of the sudden he's going to trade him within the division? Doesn't make sense...but I'd support the deal nonetheless.

I disagree with that last line. While from an offensive statistic standpoint Roy has produced more in his career, Plekanec is a very good two way forward who can play some serious defense in his own end.

Additionally, Plekanec is a better passer and more of a prototypical playmaker than Derek Roy. He'd fit better in our lineup than Roy because we have wingers that need the puck and nobody to get it to them.

I'd say it's about as even as a trade can be.
- SabreHess

Plekanec actually doesn't assist very often. it was discussed that last season and this one he was off his game because he was too worried about feeding Cammalleri instead of just playing his own game. He kind of does well in all facets of the game but doesn't really excel at anything except for effort and positioning.

Just get Roy out of here.

Plekanec actually doesn't assist very often. it was discussed that last season and this one he was off his game because he was too worried about feeding Plekanec instead of just playing his own game. He kind of does well in all facets of the game but doesn't really excel at anything except for effort and positioning.
- willey101

Those 2 things the Sabres desperately need...and he's still a better passer than Roy.

People, if Ry is so much better than Plek as you seem to want to convince me, why are you suggesting this is a good trade for you?
- muffin_man

whats so much better about plekanec should be the question you ask yourself. youre acting like plekanec should be an untouchable player, which to me as a hockey fan putting team alliances aside, is ridiculous.

Those 2 things the Sabres desperately need...and he's still a better passer than Roy.
- SabreHess

He's just so smart. Doesn't put himself or his teammates in a bad position. Always recovering defensively in his own end. Seeing him go would actually be a huge loss for this team. it's funny because I hated the guy for his first couple of seasons because I was a Koivu fan.....