Gotcha. Well if you had to choose a contract to be the "get out of jail free" contract, who's would it be? At first though, I figured Pronger because he's pretty much done but then I thought of a pricy active player like Briere. I mean, with Pronger, he can still go on LTIR for next season, while Briere could struggle with the weight of that contract on his shoulders.
- roenick97

Read the last 3 pages lol

Look you wanna continue to pay top dollar for one dimensional player that struggles to exhibit that one dimension through the year be my guest. THe money could be spent much more frugally.
- JoeRussomanno

Here's the point Joe. Since he's been here, he has earned top dollar as a one of the best big game players in the NHL. If you want to continue to ignore that, and label Briere based on his regular Season this year, then go ahead. I'm not prepared to do that yet. Just as I wasn't prepared to label Bryzgalov a bust based on his first half performance this year. I beleive that Briere has earned that beneift of the doubt. Even moreso then Bryzgalov deserved it.

I think each team should get one for the life of the cba but not every year.
- JoeRussomanno

If an amnesty clause becomes available and the Flyers choose to use it on Briere I will completely understand it. They will look to use his money on their own players with expiring contracts or add in UFA if available.

Briere still has produced on his contract.

Briere has a NMC. How are they going to have discussions about trading him? Why would they want to trade him when he has been worth his contract every single year up till now? He has produced in the playoffs more than any current Flyer on the roster.
- stveshdy

I wasnt talking about Briere... I was saying most of the guys you listed have either been in trade talks, traded, or moved in off-season... Didn't see Briere on your list, as we were already talking about him... But Heatly traded, Thornton rumored, Nash rumored, Richards UFA, Statsney rumored, Lecavailier rumored, Semin rumored and not signed yet.... Getting the picture?

If there is an amnesty buyout, Briere wont be the only player bought out, so it will open new players for a second round of UFA... DiPietro, Gomez, I dont feel like making an entire list.... but you get the idea... They Flyers could pick up a decent player without a NMC and maybe at a cheaper price.
- RooNosHockey

There won't be that many of them that are desirable for other teams. That could happen. But I don't think it will.

It's funny to me that Danny Briere is in a huge slump and is still not the worst signing of the summer he was signed in.

Here's the point Joe. Since he's been here, he has earned top dollar as a one of the best big game players in the NHL. If you want to continue to ignore that, and label Briere based on his regular Season this year, then go ahead. I'm not prepared to do that yet. Just as I wasn't prepared to label Bryzgalov a bust based on his first half performance this year. I beleive that Briere has earned that beneift of the doubt. Even moreso then Bryzgalov deserved it.
- MJL

I'm definitely not basing it on the course of this year. He's cracked the top 20 in scoring once in 5 years. Is he a big game player in the playoffs sure but you can't tell me that for that cap hit I can't get a player to do it in the regular season and playoffs.

I wasnt talking about Briere... I was saying most of the guys you listed have either been in trade talks, traded, or moved in off-season... Didn't see Briere on your list, as we were already talking about him... But Heatly traded, Thornton rumored, Nash rumored, Richards UFA, Statsney rumored, Lecavailier rumored, Semin rumored and not signed yet.... Getting the picture?
- RooNosHockey

No, cause being rumored to be traded and being traded are completely different.

All those players named arent in the top 10 in scoring but are being paid as if.

If an amnesty clause becomes available and the Flyers choose to use it on Briere I will completely understand it. They will look to use his money on their own players with expiring contracts or add in UFA if available.

Briere still has produced on his contract.
- stveshdy

That's debatable. I know he's endeared himself to everyone for his PLAYOFF performance but cracking the top 20 in scoring once in 5 years no thanks.

I'm definitely not basing it on the course of this year. He's cracked the top 20 in scoring once in 5 years. Is he a big game player in the playoffs sure but you can't tell me that for that cap hit I can't get a player to do it in the regular season and playoffs.
- JoeRussomanno

Name a player who can do it and is available.

Here's the point Joe. Since he's been here, he has earned top dollar as a one of the best big game players in the NHL. If you want to continue to ignore that, and label Briere based on his regular Season this year, then go ahead. I'm not prepared to do that yet. Just as I wasn't prepared to label Bryzgalov a bust based on his first half performance this year. I beleive that Briere has earned that beneift of the doubt. Even moreso then Bryzgalov deserved it.
- MJL

I see what your saying, and it is personal preference... Joe and I are of the opinion, whether or not he bounces back in the playoffs or next year... With the deep forward talent we have that is young, it would benefit the team to have that extra salary to spend at say.... defense, or a checking line... Cap space to make deals at the deadline...

What I am saying is His production IMO would be less valuable then the Cap space we would have from buying out his contract.

I'm definitely not basing it on the course of this year. He's cracked the top 20 in scoring once in 5 years. Is he a big game player in the playoffs sure but you can't tell me that for that cap hit I can't get a player to do it in the regular season and playoffs.
- JoeRussomanno

I don't think anyone has argued that the Flyers could use Briere's 6.5M Cap hit to get a younger and better player overall. But that doesn't change the fact that Briere has performed well for the most part here.

I don't think anyone has argued that the Flyers could use Briere's 6.5M Cap hit to get a younger and better player overall. But that doesn't change the fact that Briere has performed well for the most part here.
- MJL

Especially in the playoffs, when it matters.

That's debatable. I know he's endeared himself to everyone for his PLAYOFF performance but cracking the top 20 in scoring once in 5 years no thanks.
- JoeRussomanno

Okay. Its hard to ignore the fact that Briere has been one of the best Flyers over the past 3-5 seasons. He probably has been their best playoff player as well. Im not against them using the "amnesty clause" if available on a 34 year old NMC contract. I just wont ignore the fact that Briere hasnt been as bad as you think for the cap hit he signed.

IF there's an amnesty, Briere's a serious consideration given his age versus years and cap hit remaining. I still don't think we should be expecting an amnesty.
- BulliesPhan87

This.

Read the last 3 pages lol
- RooNosHockey

I'll get to it but I'm stepping out really soon. It really is a complicated question though. I can't confirm or deny but I'm pretty sure Pronger counts against the cap during any summer transactions leading up to training camp. Then you have Danny Briere who's an active and more pricy a player. With Pronger being on LTIR during the regular season, you want Briere's contract to be a none factor.

You don't want Pronger's contract to count as one of the 50 but with Briere's contract not being counted, you can look into a guy like Weber I guess.

I see what your saying, and it is personal preference... Joe and I are of the opinion, whether or not he bounces back in the playoffs or next year... With the deep forward talent we have that is young, it would benefit the team to have that extra salary to spend at say.... defense, or a checking line... Cap space to make deals at the deadline...

What I am saying is His production IMO would be less valuable then the Cap space we would have from buying out his contract.
- RooNosHockey

I think that is a completely different conversation then beleiveing that Briere is going to turn his Season around. I could make that case for other players also.

Especially in the playoffs, when it matters.
- Pecafan Fan

Thought you hated him, sir...

Name a player who can do it and is available.
- stveshdy

Who's available is irrelevant. How about this Steven Stamkos is one mill more than Briere. So Briere is only worth one mill less?

Thought you hated him, sir...
- aightwebang17

Doesn't mean I can't see a guy perform in the playoffs.

And yes, I despise him with every fiber of my body.

Who's available is irrelevant. How about this Steven Stamkos is one mill more than Briere. So Briere is only worth one mill less?
- JoeRussomanno

Lets see what Stamkos will be making at 34 yrs old then we can debate it.

Lets see when he hits the UFA market.

He will be 27 years old at that time.

Especially in the playoffs, when it matters.
- Pecafan Fan

I'll tell you what you guys can have him and Scott Gomez enjoy

Who's available is irrelevant. How about this Steven Stamkos is one mill more than Briere. So Briere is only worth one mill less?
- JoeRussomanno

It really isn't irrelevant when responding to the argument that you could use that space to get a player who can replace his big game performance.

I don't think anyone has argued that the Flyers could use Briere's 6.5M Cap hit to get a younger and better player overall. But that doesn't change the fact that Briere has performed well for the most part here.
- MJL

Well then you agree. Briere was valuable in the past, but the money could be spent in a better way going forward... So IF an amnesty cluase came up, you use it on him... Better yet... If you have 1 amnesty buyout per the entire CBA, you wait to use it until you have too... So if 2 years from now Bryz is aweful and Briere is still producing you use it on him... If Bryz is still doing good, and you need the cap space you use it on Briere...

I'll tell you what you guys can have him and Scott Gomez enjoy
- JoeRussomanno

I miss the days where money was not a concern when discussing a player's contribution.

The salary cap sucks.

Edit: yeah, Gomez sucks.