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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:01 PM ET
Did I steal your Thunder?
- RooNosHockey


Nope, just full of emotions today
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Mar 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
And if you want to get rid of him at the end of next-season, he becomes very attractive for a team with cap space and looking for experienced depth because his actual salary for his last 2 seasons is 3 and 2 million respectively.
- Pecafan Fan


He'd have to agree to it. He's got a NMC I believe.
BoomGoesTheCoburn
Location: The Land of the Rising Sun
Joined: 10.27.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
You know... I wondered if Bryz's struggles had anything to do with the fact when he came over from phoenix he had new pads made, and then as soon as he got used to them, the Winter classic comes and another set of pads... And finally a new set comes, and all of a sudden he is better....

Something to this? Either with the pads or Bryz's mental perception of the pads?

- RooNosHockey


It's the black pads. Perfect combination of appearance and comfort.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:03 PM ET
He'd have to agree to it. He's got a NMC I believe.
- hockeylover


Still. He's movable imho.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 20 @ 4:04 PM ET
Still. He's movable imho.
- Pecafan Fan

He is one of the most immovable players in the league IMO...

He has dual custody of his kids with his wife who also resides near by in NJ... packing up would likely mean leaving his boys behind...
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
He is one of the most immovable players in the league IMO...

He has dual custody of his kids with his wife who also resides near by in NJ... packing up would likely mean leaving his boys behind...

- jak521


Then buy out his last 2 seasons if they need the cap space so badly.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 20 @ 4:09 PM ET
Then buy out his last 2 seasons if they need the cap space so badly.
- Pecafan Fan

That would be crippling... and they dont need his cap space that badly. He is having an off year.. but that doesnt mean he is toast.. If there is one thing that Danny B has proven to me, its that he is super competitive.. hell be good.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 20 @ 4:10 PM ET
That would be crippling... and they dont need his cap space that badly. He is having an off year.. but that doesnt mean he is toast.. If there is one thing that Danny B has proven to me, its that he is super competitive.. hell be good.
- jak521


really not that bad

http://bit.ly/giqgkq
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 20 @ 4:11 PM ET
And if you want to get rid of him at the end of next-season, he becomes very attractive for a team with cap space and looking for experienced depth because his actual salary for his last 2 seasons is 3 and 2 million respectively.
- Pecafan Fan


BUT, and I would defer to MJL on this, does his cap hit for said team equal 2.5 mill OR is it still be the original cap hit of the deal at 6.5 mill? I think it is the latter right?

I can see a team that needs to get up to the floor maybe wanting a contract like that, but Briere would also have to waive his NMC to go wherever they wanted to send him.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Mar 20 @ 4:11 PM ET
True, but Upshall played liked he was 6'2" 225. He is injury prone, there's no question, but it's not because he's fragile.


Rinaldo isn't human That's the only explanation I have. He hits like a truck for such a small guy

- Jsaquella


Rinaldo actually knows how to hit. It's a lost art. When you watch most of today's players try to throw a check, they do not use their legs and drive through the hit (the way everyone was taught to hit when I learned the game back in the stone age). They're either upright, relying on their size and momentum to do the damage, or they lead with their arms like they're an NFL lineman throwing a block. These days, hardly anyone actually stays low and explodes into the hit using their legs.

Part of it is that players are bigger and stronger today and don't need to rely on technique to knock someone over. Another part of it could be the equipment being so much better that perfect technique isn't necessary to avoid having your own check hurt you more than the target. In any case, it's a lost art, and Rinaldo is very good at it.

Maybe the one downside of this technique is that when his timing is off, it looks like he's leaving his feet to make the hit. But when his timing is on, it's a thing of beauty to see him light up a bigger opponent with a thundering hit.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 20 @ 4:11 PM ET
really not that bad

http://bit.ly/giqgkq

- OrangeBlack27

cap geek? whatever it is its blocked here at work..
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Mar 20 @ 4:12 PM ET
That would be crippling... and they dont need his cap space that badly. He is having an off year.. but that doesnt mean he is toast.. If there is one thing that Danny B has proven to me, its that he is super competitive.. hell be good.
- jak521


I think a lot of his inconsistency this year has been do to what it seems to be IMO a lot of different linemates. I think chemistry plays a big factor.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:12 PM ET
BUT, and I would defer to MJL on this, does his cap hit for said team equal 2.5 mill OR is it still be the original cap hit of the deal at 6.5 mill? I think it is the latter right?

I can see a team that needs to get up to the floor maybe wanting a contract like that, but Briere would also have to waive his NMC to go wherever they wanted to send him.

- MBFlyerfan


It's still 6.5 on the cap.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:12 PM ET
really not that bad

http://bit.ly/giqgkq

- OrangeBlack27

2013-14: $4,333,333
2014-15: $5,333,333
2015-16: $833,333
2016-17: $833,333

I think I'd rather have Briere for those two years than almost as much in dead cap space through through two years plus change for another two.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 20 @ 4:12 PM ET
2013-14: $4,333,333
2014-15: $5,333,333
2015-16: $833,333
2016-17: $833,333

I think I'd rather have Briere for those two years than almost as much in dead cap space through through two years plus change for another two.

- BulliesPhan87


yah. just thought it would be way worse is all. also, he'll probably have some sort of crippling injury that will necessitate/allow LTIR
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
yah. just thought it would be way worse is all. also, he'll probably have some sort of crippling injury that will necessitate/allow LTIR
- OrangeBlack27

Yea those first two years are brutal.. 800k isnt bad though..
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
I think a lot of his inconsistency this year has been do to what it seems to be IMO a lot of different linemates. I think chemistry plays a big factor.
- hockeylover

Meh.. i just think he hasnt been up on his skates.. When he is it doesnt matter who is linemate is. He is dynamic enough to negate that.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
All the Danny B hate lately....

For the last week, he's been solid. Just because he doesn't put the puck in the net doesn't mean he isn't doing his job. He's setting up plays, and for the most part, making good decision. The goals will come in 2 weeks

However, I will say that I'm purely addressing his slump. No, I don't think he's been worth the 6ish cap hit, but that doesn't mean I'm saying he's been worthless or a "bust". He's been far from each during his tenure as a Flyer. I do not consider his signing to be a "bad" one, but it hasn't been a steal either. Somewhere in the middle.

- Giroux_Is_God

WHy does explaining a possible business decision have to be hate? Besides I'm not the one with an avatar of a player I was ripping two months ago either.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 20 @ 4:18 PM ET


Hear, hear, good Sir.

- Giroux_Is_God


Just speaking for me... I'm okay with Briere's past performance... and I'm okay with him continuing on this team. My point is this...

If there is an amnesty clause and it can only be used before next season, then you have 4 Choices... 1 Briere.. His contract runs into the year you have to sign Schenn, Couturier, Read, and Giroux to their "big boy" contracts. 2. Bryzgalov. If you think he cant be the goalie he is signed to be. 3. Pronger if you dont want to risk going into the off-season with his cap hit, even though he is LTIR. or 4 Nothing, which doesnt benefit your team if every other team is using it to get below the cap.

However if the Amnesty clause allows for a 1 time buyout per team over the life of the new CBA, then there is no reason to be hasty with it. Just sit back and wait to see which of the above problems becomes troublesome and use the buyout then.

But If it is only for next season, my vote would be fore Briere.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 20 @ 4:20 PM ET


(frank)er

- wilsonecho91


that's like me posting gretzky schooling pelle. why would you do that?

i love bobby taylor saying it was a clean body check when he clearly put his shoulder right into his head. i don't give a poop that it was 1985. it was dirty then. it's dirty now.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 20 @ 4:22 PM ET
Make sure Steve Mason's pads are molded properly.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn


bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 20 @ 4:24 PM ET
2013-14: $4,333,333
2014-15: $5,333,333
2015-16: $833,333
2016-17: $833,333

I think I'd rather have Briere for those two years than almost as much in dead cap space through through two years plus change for another two.

- BulliesPhan87

Paying him off to get an addition 2.2 ish mill in cap space one year and an additional 1.2 ish in another while foregoing his potential production seems like throwing good money after bad.
BoomGoesTheCoburn
Location: The Land of the Rising Sun
Joined: 10.27.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:26 PM ET

- hammarby31


bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 20 @ 4:26 PM ET
WHy does explaining a possible business decision have to be hate? Besides I'm not the one with an avatar of a player I was ripping two months ago either.
- JoeRussomanno

Gee, I thought the avatar just had to not be in violation of the Code of Conduct. Are you keeping a spreadsheet?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
Paying him off to get an addition 2.2 ish mill in cap space one year and an additional 1.2 ish in another while foregoing his potential production seems like throwing good money after bad.
- bodiva88

Yeah, it'd be a dreadful idea.
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