I believe it ws a 3 goal lead, and I agree with that point. Still, there was no reason for him to even get involved. Only something bad could have come from it, and it did.
- pyromantic

I dont believe that either...

Here is how I see the situation.. We were do or die.. and we were doing it. They played a great game up to that point ( and a little bit after that).. So here comes this annoying scrappy player (who I now love) who is yapping and hacking and looking for a fight.. he didnt get a fight, he got an ass whopping. The way I see it, it should have only added a bit more fight to the Flyers. Here they are on the verge of getting bounced by the favorite and a biter rival, and they are beating them by 3 and physically beating the poop out of them. That should make them feel good about game 7. Instead they packed their bags. Not Carcillo...

3 fights.

torts was yelling at deboer, livid that he was starting 3 toughguys and matched with prust, rupp, bickel. after the game deboer said basically 'so he can come in our building and start his toughguys but we cant do it here? either he has a short memory or he's a hypocrite'
- Crimsoninja

love a good coach battle

Agreed. If it wasn't a back injury, I'd say maybe he can push it of we made it that far, but back injuries are the worst thing to rush.
- funmaster18

Flyers injury reports and timelines are almost comical. The guy is getting surgery on his spine and they well try to lead people to believe, some do most don't, that the player will be back sooner.

Thats a crock to me. He won a fight.. clear as day. I dont care what the score was that the time. It didnt deflate our team.. We should have been able to hold that lead regardless of him fighting.
- jak521

It may not have deflated our team, but it sure seemed to inflate the other one.

I dont believe that either...

Here is how I see the situation.. We were do or die.. and we were doing it. They played a great game up to that point ( and a little bit after that).. So here comes this annoying scrappy player (who I now love) who is yapping and hacking and looking for a fight.. he didnt get a fight, he got an ass whopping. The way I see it, it should have only added a bit more fight to the Flyers. Here they are on the verge of getting bounced by the favorite and a biter rival, and they are beating them by 3 and physically beating the poop out of them. That should make them feel good about game 7. Instead they packed their bags. Not Carcillo...
- jak521

Imo that was the microcosm of the Richards-Carter era thank God it's over with.

It may not have deflated our team, but it sure seemed to inflate the other one.
- PT21

Thats fine... but like i said.. i dont care how inflated another team gets.. you shouldnt blow a 3 goal lead. That wasnt on Carcillo. I have defended him on that since that day..

still found that kinda funny tbh.
- OrangeBlack27

me too, and i like carcillo.

Imo that was the microcosm of the Richards-Carter era thank God it's over with.
- JoeRussomanno

Strangely enough.. i kind of agree. I dont think it was that way over their first few years, but definitely over their final three. Almost like they didnt really care after a certain point. I hope and believe that wasnt true, but thats how it seemed at times.

I dont believe that either...

Here is how I see the situation.. We were do or die.. and we were doing it. They played a great game up to that point ( and a little bit after that).. So here comes this annoying scrappy player (who I now love) who is yapping and hacking and looking for a fight.. he didnt get a fight, he got an ass whopping. The way I see it, it should have only added a bit more fight to the Flyers. Here they are on the verge of getting bounced by the favorite and a biter rival, and they are beating them by 3 and physically beating the poop out of them. That should make them feel good about game 7. Instead they packed their bags. Not Carcillo...
- jak521

yup.

Here is the thing with a 6-8 week diagnosis (or any for that matter). That is a round about estimate.. its not exact science. This does not account for any setbacks or unexpected events. Also, what it means is that around weeks 6-8 he would be eligible to start "light activity". Probably basic PT. He likely wont skate till week 9-10 or start hitting till week 11-12. Put a fork in him.


EDIT: It is also important to note that this in not an extremity injury. If this were a shoulder or knee injury.. i wouldnt be saying put a fork in him. Back is a beast of a different nature.
- jak521

I thought when they gave these time frames it was in relation to his expected time to return, not how long he will be unable to do activity... I agree if a doctor told me 6-8 weeks it would be 6-8 weeks healing time, but when sport teams say he will be out 6-8 weeks, doesnt that usually include the recovery time?

I dont believe that either...

Here is how I see the situation.. We were do or die.. and we were doing it. They played a great game up to that point ( and a little bit after that).. So here comes this annoying scrappy player (who I now love) who is yapping and hacking and looking for a fight.. he didnt get a fight, he got an ass whopping. The way I see it, it should have only added a bit more fight to the Flyers. Here they are on the verge of getting bounced by the favorite and a biter rival, and they are beating them by 3 and physically beating the poop out of them. That should make them feel good about game 7. Instead they packed their bags. Not Carcillo...
- jak521

We'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't think there is a reason to fight there when you are spanking them. Coaches purposely send out fighters when their team is flat to try and jump start them. I think Carbomb allowed the Pens to have life in that game.

I was still a Carbomb fan. I just think he made a bad decision in this case. I also think he learned from it and was much smarter moving forward. I don't think the refs ever agreed though.

I heard 6-8 weeks....
- RooNosHockey

Eskin said afterward on Twitter the sources inside the medical staff told him Mezaros is done for the year.
Here I even found the tweet for you believe what you want. It's a surgery on his spine I don't think any athlete has ever comeback in 8 weeks for such a surgery.
Howard Eskin ‏ @howardeskin

Let me try to end all the questions of a return by@NHLFlyers Andresj Meszaros. I'm told he is done for the season. Tough break.

I thought when they gave these time frames it was in relation to his expected time to return, not how long he will be unable to do activity... I agree if a doctor told me 6-8 weeks it would be 6-8 weeks healing time, but when sport teams say he will be out 6-8 weeks, doesnt that usually include the recovery time?
- RooNosHockey

The way I took it was that the med staff gave him a 6-8 week diagnosis and thats what Homer or whoever relayed. If they said he would be back definitively within 6-8 weeks.. thats another story.

Strangely enough.. i kind of agree. I dont think it was that way over their first few years, but definitely over their final three. Almost like they didnt really care after a certain point. I hope and believe that wasnt true, but thats how it seemed at times.
- jak521

That seed of doubt was planted in my head with them from that point. I battled and argued against it. But after last season I think the front office saw the samething and trades transpired. Oh well I'm really enjoying the Giroux (fill in Blank) era

Not to open up this can of worms, but I agree whole heartedly with Fraser. Shanahan blew this one. But it's going to happen occasionally. We saw a similar hit in the Boston game against Thornton I beleive by Coburn. Coburn did it legally in hitting a vulnerable player and avoided the head.
- MJL

this was as much of a no-brainer call both during and after the game. and the league got them both wrong. i don't care the players all said it was a good hit. by definition it was a penalty, and certainly warranted a suspension. the lack of discipline is just another incident in a very long laundry list where the nhl has zero consistency and credibility. it's a (frank)ing joke.

City should have never been given a franchise in '67.
- hockeylover

baltimore was supposedly a shoe-in, at the expense of philadelphia, from what i remember.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't think there is a reason to fight there when you are spanking them. Coaches purposely send out fighters when their team is flat to try and jump start them. I think Carbomb allowed the Pens to have life in that game.

I was still a Carbomb fan. I just think he made a bad decision in this case. I also think he learned from it and was much smarter moving forward. I don't think the refs ever agreed though.
- pyromantic

Indeed we will.. because to me its like blaming Briere for being the recipient of a big hit. Just because a guy is the reason the other team gets a momentum boost.. (and it happens in an assortment of ways, fight, big hit, big pk kill) doesnt mean its his fault if his team falls apart after that swing. There are 17 other skaters that should have done their job.

Lilja, without a second thought.

Gus hasn't played that great lately. He's made some very solid plays, but I have seen him caught flat footed and unsure quite a bit as well. He's basically going through what 90% of rookies do. Lilja is not on par with Meszaros or Grossmann or Coburn, but he is a veteran who isn't going to be fazed by playing in the playoffs.
- Jsaquella

the loss of meszaros is a big deal for several reasons, and as you point out lilja has done a nice job all year, and has the experience. gus has been handling the puck like a live grenade his last few games...basically a mess. overall he's done well, but is going in the wrong direction right now.

the loss of meszaros changes the combos again, and taxes other guys. fortunately, kimo seems like he's back on track. he's obviously key to their success.

Panotch tweets both Kubina and Lilja in tonight.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't think there is a reason to fight there when you are spanking them. Coaches purposely send out fighters when their team is flat to try and jump start them. I think Carbomb allowed the Pens to have life in that game.

I was still a Carbomb fan. I just think he made a bad decision in this case. I also think he learned from it and was much smarter moving forward. I don't think the refs ever agreed though.
- pyromantic

So if Carbomb doesn't fight talbot no way does Pittsburgh comeback? After the fight the Pens were awarded 3 goals? He answered the bell, he won the fight and by your logic the FLyers should have laid three more goals on the penguins.

A few month back I told everybody that I was working with a student who was Eric Tangradi's sister.. wellll, she had half the team over Saturday night for a little meal. I told her to use bad food..

Panotch tweets both Kubina and Lilja in tonight.

- MBFlyerfan

*crosses self*

Panotch tweets both Kubina and Lilja in tonight.

- MBFlyerfan

Still think its Thursday or Sat for Talbo

They are the kinda fights I hate... wait till someone throws a big border line hit than have a go.. I look at the Flyers vs Ottawa game for example..

There was a real subplot going in with the Havlat buttend on Recchi.. there were huge hits and a lot of animosity building up... then Brash destroys Rob Ray in a fight and that block head Chris Neil (i think) decided to sucker Brash... after that it was time to go.
- jak521

ray was (frank)ing with kapanen on that shift, and brash split him open. and when all was said and done, havlat, the source of all the animosity, was in the box for the whole melee and didn't have to answer the bell.

So if Carbomb doesn't fight talbot no way does Pittsburgh comeback? After the fight the Pens were awarded 3 goals? He answered the bell, he won the fight and by your logic the FLyers should have laid three more goals on the penguins.
- JoeRussomanno

Thats what I dont get. If any team were to get a boost.. it should have been the Flyers. They were killing the Pens and then Carbomb killed Talbot. I think they turned off that magical switch because they thought they had the game finished. Thats where I think the problem occurred...