Canucks fate is INEVITABLE

come on, anyone? i realize nobody is talking about it with everything else going on but i really would like to know what toews did to get thrown in the box.
- Sconnie

I may be late to the party with this as I haven't caught up to the end of the thread yet, but....

Toews shot the puck at Smith a second or two after the horn. A Yote ( I forget who) took exception and a scrum ensued...Kane (of all people) came to Toews defense, Smith took a couple of hacks at Sharpie, Crawford then had words with Smith...basically the kind of after the whistle nonsense that used to be the norm in the playoffs, BS that is...Before Shanahan.

Only thing that makes any sense as to why Toews is the only one who got 2:00 in the sin bin is because he "started it" with his after horn shot on net.

So Keith's hit was premeditated? He actually sought out Daniel Sedin and went after his head? That clearly makes it even worse.
- hertzman

You guys are idiots......

The difference is simple..

Keith's Elbow was run into by Sedin's head..
Hossa Chin was run into by Torres Elbow as he left his feet.

Keith's play was a good hockey play... And Sedin is just a baby... and milking it
Hossa was blindsided, and might have nerve damage..

Do you see the difference?
- victorymc98

There are plenty of smart opinions in this thread. You just added one of the dumber ones. Congrats.

So Keith's hit was premeditated? He actually sought out Daniel Sedin and went after his head? That clearly makes it even worse.
- hertzman

I dont agree that it makes it worse, it was in retaliation which is explainable. Torres had no reason to do what he did. Keith never hits anyone , Torres is reckless

I agree but the NHLPA will fight for torres because thats what they are there for.

And you are missing my point and that was IF the NHLPA is directly involved it may mean they are expecting something big from the NHL.
- mvp0207

I find it stupid that the NHLPA will fight for Torres, when he knocks out another NHLPA member in Hossa.

After reading some of the posts on this topic, I have never seen such blatant homerism in my life. After watching the hit a bunch of times, I've changed my opinion on it. It's a tad late and he does launch himself upwards. However, justifying Keith's hit and subsequent short suspension by saying Daniel "hit him first" is disgusting.

I remember JJ saying in his blog that Keith would maybe get 1 or 2 games, most Hawk fans agreed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, Torres should be lethally injected.

The only thing different between the two hits was that Hossa left on a stretcher. Hopefully he's ok.
- hertzman

Once again we need to all stop being Shanahans and use this hit for that hit mentalities. I HATED the Keith hit. All i was saying is I understand why Keith was angry with him. I NEVER SAID it was right but you could understand why keith was mad. He should have either hit him cleanly or somehow engaged him other then do what he did. ALSO this is the first time Keith did something like this.. You cant go suspending guys 25 games for first time offenses.

Why was torres angry with Hossa again? Or the other half dozen players hes head hunted over the last year or so? You cant explain it because hes simply a head hunter. He also has done this over and over and over and over.

Both hits are bush league and sucked but how much longer to we bring it up. makes no difference what us the fans do or say who cares if many are being homers you are a homer with vancouver also. But it plays no role in my opinion with this discussion its a moot point .

Donald Fehr=another fat ASSSSSSSSS HOOOOOOO LLLLLLE

- philco28

So Keith's hit was premeditated? He actually sought out Daniel Sedin and went after his head? That clearly makes it even worse.
- hertzman

Sedin head went after Keith's Elbow... If you watch the replay in non-homer mode.

To bad the NHLPA has no concern over the safety of their players..........
- droe411

Hossa should call the NHLPA and tell them to let Torres defend himself. Pretty sure they rep Hossa too

Sedin head went after Keith's Elbow... If you watch the replay in non-homer mode.
- victorymc98

Please stop... thanks!

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Sure its a difference in the hit itself but both plays are disgusting and have no place in hockey. The hits should not be compared nor should they be condoned. Both are perfect examples of what is wrong with hockey today.
- Anaarkey

Correct and Keith as a first time offender got five games he does it again give hinm 10-15 and tird strike you're out Burn him. Raffi is on what strike now. and how many has he gotten away with. All to players who have never done crap to him. He wanted to take Hossa out period and with the instigator in full effect you can do this crap with immunity.

I find it stupid that the NHLPA will fight for Torres, when he knocks out another NHLPA member in Hossa.
- hertzman

Bingo

I hate agreeing with a Canucks fan, but I do. Whole-heartedly. The fact that Keith's heinous elbow was retaliation doesn't make it better. It makes it pre-meditated. It was a blatant example of intent to injure, and doesn't belong in the game at all. Torres' hit was also dirty, and is exactly the type of hit that the new rules are designed to remove. He has a history of cheap shots, and as such I'd like to see a 10 game suspension or more... but there is no justifying Keith's elbow.

JJ especially... Hold yourself to a higher standard. That's embarrassing.
- jtommyt

>Look, the point ISN'T if Keith's hit was dirty
>The point is the on-ice officiating is terrible and if Daniel would have received at least a two-minute penalty for hitting Keith late and high, it is very likely Keith would have never gone after Daniel
>Bad officiating helped create a situation in which a player who normally plays an "honest game" felt a need to retaliate, felt he wasn't being protected by the refs
>Kerry Fraser said it at after the game that Daniel deserved a suspension for HIS hit on Keith
>Keith's hit was dirty, no Hawk fan is defending the hit, BUT many of us, who have watched Keith play his whole career, doubt it ever happens if the ref makes the right call on Daniel

Please stop... thanks!
- CaptainBlackhawk

Sorry, I am feeding the trolls with Trolling material..

And for the record, the Keith hit was Stupid on his part and bad for the game.

Most wanted 1-2 games, but not much crying when he got 5 games. No one was justifying anything with Keith, he deserved what he got. I don't blame him for what he did. How long are you going to cry about this?
- droe411

Exactley out of the 50 or so hawks posters there MAY be a handful who say the Keith hit was clean. Yet somehow we are ALL being branded for it even though MOST have stated over and over our displeasure with the kieth hit.

Its called selective reading.

I may be late to the party with this as I haven't caught up to the end of the thread yet, but....

Toews shot the puck at Smith a second or two after the horn. A Yote ( I forget who) took exception and a scrum ensued...Kane (of all people) came to Toews defense, Smith took a couple of hacks at Sharpie, Crawford then had words with Smith...basically the kind of after the whistle nonsense that used to be the norm in the playoffs, BS that is...Before Shanahan.

Only thing that makes any sense as to why Toews is the only one who got 2:00 in the sin bin is because he "started it" with his after horn shot on net.
- Ogilthorpe2

That broad Walkom had an itchy trigger finger/hard on for the Hawks all night long.

That episode at the end of the 2ND was understandable frustration on the Hawks part, but A COMPLETELY STUPID LOSS OF FOCUS.

I find it stupid that the NHLPA will fight for Torres, when he knocks out another NHLPA member in Hossa.
- hertzman

They have to, he's a union member its like when we defend other Police when we know they're wrong , and the other party knows they're wrong we have to go through the motions and when the punishment comes down we're like "Well , we tried, serve your suspension with class , Son."

EJ Hradek identifies the great big white elephant in the NHL's living room!!

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=628513

He notes the Hawks silence about the Keith episode and he is right!!

looks like Hossa's spot is going to come down to Hayes or Morin . WHo would you rather have ? Me, Id give Hayes the first shot and get his big ass in front of the net.

great quote from toews re: suspension:

"Who knows?" Toews said. "I don't know what to expect anymore. I don't think anyone does. So we'll see, it will probably be a surprise, I guess. We've got four (referees) out there. When there's a guy getting carried off on a stretcher, you think that there might be something wrong with what happened."

EJ Hradek identifies the great big white elephant in the NHL's living room!!

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=628513
- bogiedoc

Firing Shanny would be a great start.

I'm gonna get flamed hard for this but What Torres did isn't nearly as bad as the other stuff in the playoffs this year. The hit looked pretty clean besides the fact that he left his feet "I love real hard hits!".

The asham and weber stuff was much much worse and that's the stuff that needs to be eliminated from hockey.

I wan't Chicago to win and it stinks that it took out a important piece but if that was keith doing that to one of there guys you guys would have been like nice friggin hit!
- Smittyx36

But if the NHL wants to water down enforcers roles and REALLY BIG hits go unanswered against star players the NHL will one by one start losing its datsuks Crosbys Millers Toews Vaneks and the list goes on and on.

back in the day if you hits Gretz or Yserman or Hull you had to answer the bell muliple times against multiple teams to the point where it got hard for you to even play the game. NOW NOPE doesnt happen you go after a guy who doesnt want to fight you get a 2 and a 10 do it again and you start looking at suspensions see carkener.

SO if thats the way its going to be these hits need to be policed by the league otherwise thats all it will be BIG HITS. See Cloutiers hockey buzz article yesterday http://www.hockeybuzz.com...No-Game-of-Ball/131/43910

All'd we'd be left with is a good ole game of ball.

great quote from toews re: suspension:

"Who knows?" Toews said. "I don't know what to expect anymore. I don't think anyone does. So we'll see, it will probably be a surprise, I guess. We've got four (referees) out there. When there's a guy getting carried off on a stretcher, you think that there might be something wrong with what happened."
- HajdukChicago

When a player of Toews' stature is EXASPERATED with the complete bumphuck show going on down at the league discipline office...EVERY PLAYER in the league should be listening.