Not unless they replace the puppet masters... otherwise you just have another puppet running the same sh!tt show
- Sconnie

True...but you have to start somewhere. It will never change though. Those idiots are TOO PHUCKING STUPID to get their PHUCKING ACT TOGETHER. Like I said: BUMPHUCKS.

Unanimous among who? It may have been a game too harsh, but he hit a goalie in the head in the playoffs, without any reason at all. None. He was free of any defenseman from the faceoff dot and Smith didn't suddenly move to get in Shaw's way.

Chicago fans were up in arms and a lot of others joined in, but Shaw had no buisness putting his shoulder into Smith's chin, and he deserved to be suspended.

Torres hit on Hossa was terrible. Honestly, this is one reason why I love the way the Blues are built. They have no superstar forwards, but several lines of good players that can hurt you and play great all around hockey. Tools like Torres running and taking out players won't have the same effect on the Blues as it will with Chicago if Hossa, Kane, Toews, etc get taken out.

Plus, we have a team full of players that will do something about it, instead of push around a guy or two at the end of the period and instead of actually doing something, just stand there yelling with a smile on his face. (Kane) What was that all about? I would be pissed off if a Blues player pulled that.
- carcus

Shaw deserved a two minute minor, that was it.

Plus people were using the Doan suspension as a repeat offender to guess at what Keith would get for a first time offense. It wasn't like any Hawk fan thought 5 was unreasonable, just radically inconsistent.
- anawrocki

And Doan has legitimately ended someones career with an elbow to the head.

Kubina only got 3 games for elbowing Bolland in the head.

5 games for a player who doesn't have much of a disciplinary history is pretty reasonable. I would not have complained about 8 either. To bring this up is childish and petulant. The player to his credit (Keith) did not go seeking vengeance this last game so one would assume the suspension had the appropriate effect.

Torres is a repeat offender who has injured numerous players in his career. Big difference than a player most Hawks fans complain about not being physical enough. Not condoning either action it but it is not apples / apples.

That's the same as me saying, if Shaw didn't going after Smith, Torres wouldn't have gone after Hossa. Torres was simply retaliating, just like Keith.
- hertzman

Not even close to the same. Sedin's hit was ignored, Shaw got a mind numbing 5/10/game+ 3 games. The league handled what Shaw did, sternly. The league ignored Sedin's late, high hit. Still doesn't excuse Keith, at all,but the two situations are not even close to similar.

Shaw deserved a two minute minor, that was it.
- dstarz20

He deserved one game. Not 3. I find crazy that he got 3 as a first time offender with smith not getting injured. Crazy.

As long as they are clean I don't see the issue with hits. I hate that every time you see a big hit its ends up being a gang rap on the guy! Foligno had a clean clean hit "but also hard" on I believe gunnerson and it turned into a fight which Foligno didn't want in the 1st place. I shouldn't have to watch out for cheap shots just because I gave a big CLEAN hit... Where did the respect go? There used to be a fine line between clean hits and dirty play. Now people put it all together and its turning hockey into a pansy league IMO.
- Smittyx36

Well first off your definition of a clean hit and most others definition including the league itselfs definition of a clean hit are obviously not the same. The hit was late and high, and Torres lept of the ice. If we cant agree here no point in continuing the debate because you are in the minority as to how a hit should be delivered.
If Torres started his glide and lined up hossa chest with his shoulder and went THROUGH and not UP (evidenced by his feet coming off the ice) NO PROBLEM. I've seen some of my favorite players get greased in the past by hard hits and my response was "GOOD HIT" this was not a "good hit" on top of all that it was by RULE using a timer LATE. You cant argue this point the league says it allows about .5 seconds to finish a check and this was .83. Thats a fact you cant argue with it. Its a number. So regardless the hit was late on top of the other things.

As far as the league becoming a panzy league I just think thats strange. Have you been watching the playoffs this year. We've just about had it all.

Just wanna bounce a question or two off you guys here. When Carkner jumbed Boyle what were the penalties that were called? I believe was Dubinsky was thrown out for third man in. Last night Bollig did a lot of the same and Klesla jumped in. The hawks end up shorthanded and Bollig with a 10 min misconduct. What am I missing?
- nickmo2699

Dubinsky was considered the 3rd man in an altercation (fight). Carkner was deemed to be "fighting" Boyle. 3rd man in a fight rule calls for automatic ejection. Bollig was not deemed to have been "fighting" torres (he was only penalized 2 for roughing torres-he then, needlessly, picked up a 10 min misc for not following refs orders to settle down) so klesla could not be a third man in.

sorry if this was already answered

Just wanna bounce a question or two off you guys here. When Carkner jumbed Boyle what were the penalties that were called? I believe was Dubinsky was thrown out for third man in. Last night Bollig did a lot of the same and Klesla jumped in. The hawks end up shorthanded and Bollig with a 10 min misconduct. What am I missing?
- nickmo2699

AND this lies in the problem NOBODY understands the dam rules anymore.

He deserved one game. Not 3. I find crazy that he got 3 as a first time offender with smith not getting injured. Crazy.
- Smittyx36

It was goaltnder interference, judge the play not the result. they handed out a bigger penalty because Smith flopped around like he was sniped.

Unanimous among who? It may have been a game too harsh, but he hit a goalie in the head in the playoffs, without any reason at all. None. He was free of any defenseman from the faceoff dot and Smith didn't suddenly move to get in Shaw's way.

Chicago fans were up in arms and a lot of others joined in, but Shaw had no buisness putting his shoulder into Smith's chin, and he deserved to be suspended.

Torres hit on Hossa was terrible. Honestly, this is one reason why I love the way the Blues are built. They have no superstar forwards, but several lines of good players that can hurt you and play great all around hockey. Tools like Torres running and taking out players won't have the same effect on the Blues as it will with Chicago if Hossa, Kane, Toews, etc get taken out.

Plus, we have a team full of players that will do something about it, instead of push around a guy or two at the end of the period and instead of actually doing something, just stand there yelling with a smile on his face. (Kane) What was that all about? I would be pissed off if a Blues player pulled that.
- carcus

OH NO NOT THIS AGAIN. The discipline is not what people were unanimous about the inconsistency was/is. Lucic runs miller NO FINE NO GAMES Shaw hits Smith a suspension that amounts to about 15 regular season games.

Once again nobody understand the rules.

Unanimous among who? It may have been a game too harsh, but he hit a goalie in the head in the playoffs, without any reason at all. None. He was free of any defenseman from the faceoff dot and Smith didn't suddenly move to get in Shaw's way.

Chicago fans were up in arms and a lot of others joined in, but Shaw had no buisness putting his shoulder into Smith's chin, and he deserved to be suspended.

Torres hit on Hossa was terrible. Honestly, this is one reason why I love the way the Blues are built. They have no superstar forwards, but several lines of good players that can hurt you and play great all around hockey. Tools like Torres running and taking out players won't have the same effect on the Blues as it will with Chicago if Hossa, Kane, Toews, etc get taken out.

Plus, we have a team full of players that will do something about it, instead of push around a guy or two at the end of the period and instead of actually doing something, just stand there yelling with a smile on his face. (Kane) What was that all about? I would be pissed off if a Blues player pulled that.
- carcus

Your right about Shaw, here's the issue however, Lucic and Miller set a very dangerous bar for matters like the one we saw with smith and shaw. I think a one game suspension was enough BECAUSE Shaw was given the gate to not be able to finish the game. The Blues do not put up with that and a big strong body like a Backes or Roman Polak would have handled Torres better.

Jesse Rogers tweets that Saad is playing tomorrow.

Looks like those who know him best disagrees with the majority of Hawks fans here...

I hope for the best, but if they put him on a line that might hide his defensive deficiencies.

OH NO NOT THIS AGAIN. The discipline is not what people were unanimous about the inconsistency was/is. Lucic runs miller NO FINE NO GAMES Shaw hits Smith a suspension that amounts to about 15 regular season games.

Once again nobody understand the rules.
- mvp0207

What the hell do you want from them? Consistency? This isn't fantasy world man.
/sarcasm

Utter sh!t in the clutch

AND this lies in the problem NOBODY understands the dam rules anymore.
- mvp0207

Kind of seems like nobody here understands the rules any more. that rules been place for a while now.

- Mattjd123

Please explain. Or did you not bother reading the last 50 or so posts.

Well first off your definition of a clean hit and most others definition including the league itselfs definition of a clean hit are obviously not the same. The hit was late and high, and Torres lept of the ice. If we cant agree here no point in continuing the debate because you are in the minority as to how a hit should be delivered.
If Torres started his glide and lined up hossa chest with his shoulder and went THROUGH and not UP (evidenced by his feet coming off the ice) NO PROBLEM. I've seen some of my favorite players get greased in the past by hard hits and my response was "GOOD HIT" this was not a "good hit" on top of all that it was by RULE using a timer LATE. You cant argue this point the league says it allows about .5 seconds to finish a check and this was .83. Thats a fact you cant argue with it. Its a number. So regardless the hit was late on top of the other things.

As far as the league becoming a panzy league I just think thats strange. Have you been watching the playoffs this year. We've just about had it all.
- mvp0207

Yes I have been watching a bunch of cheap and dirty dirty hockey. That's not what I wanna see... Running goalies, running stars, beating up players "Carkner, hair pulling, the list can go on and on. I have seen a few nice hits like Dustin Browns hits and thats about it. The pits/philly game was a disgrace to hockey.

Jesse Rogers tweets that Saad is playing tomorrow.

Looks like those who know him best disagrees with the majority of Hawks fans here...

I hope for the best, but if they put him on a line that might hide his defensive deficiencies.
- busmaster

Best insert for Hossa available.

Jesse Rogers tweets that Saad is playing tomorrow.

Looks like those who know him best disagrees with the majority of Hawks fans here...

I hope for the best, but if they put him on a line that might hide his defensive deficiencies.
- busmaster

That seems to be a strange decision, considering you have Hayes waiting in the wings and has NHL game experience, is a big body, can play physical, and would look perfect parking his huge frame in the face of Smith.

Kind of seems like nobody here understands the rules any more. that rules been place for a while now.
- miked23

I know what third man in is. But its up to the refs to deem if the player is engaged in a fight or of its just a scrum. It did not look like boyle was engaged in a fight to me but if he was then you have to deem Bolig and torres also engaged in a fight.

Unanimous among who? It may have been a game too harsh, but he hit a goalie in the head in the playoffs, without any reason at all. None. He was free of any defenseman from the faceoff dot and Smith didn't suddenly move to get in Shaw's way.

Chicago fans were up in arms and a lot of others joined in, but Shaw had no buisness putting his shoulder into Smith's chin, and he deserved to be suspended.

Torres hit on Hossa was terrible. Honestly, this is one reason why I love the way the Blues are built. They have no superstar forwards, but several lines of good players that can hurt you and play great all around hockey. Tools like Torres running and taking out players won't have the same effect on the Blues as it will with Chicago if Hossa, Kane, Toews, etc get taken out.

Plus, we have a team full of players that will do something about it, instead of push around a guy or two at the end of the period and instead of actually doing something, just stand there yelling with a smile on his face. (Kane) What was that all about? I would be pissed off if a Blues player pulled that.
- carcus

I hope someone phucking decapitates Halak and Elliot you colossal KNOB.

Yes I have been watching a bunch of cheap and dirty dirty hockey. That's not what I wanna see... Running goalies, running stars, beating up players "Carkner, hair pulling, the list can go on and on. I have seen a few nice hits like Dustin Browns hits and thats about it. The pits/philly game was a disgrace to hockey.
- Smittyx36

Could not agree with you more.

One thing I haven't heard people mentioning much was that on the CNBC broadcast (not Foley/Eddie O on CSN-C) Micheletti from between the benches said that after the hit Toews was steamed (rightfully so). Part of that was also due to the fact that Toews felt some Phoenix players were laughing on the bench.

I don't like Vancouver, but I'm not going to be laughing just b/c someone on their team could be seriously injured on a play like that. That was horrible to hear being reported.

Torres suspended indefinitely per NHL.com...His hearing will be on Friday.
- IndianHead10

He will get slammed. He is the sacrificial lamb for all of Shanahan's goofs and to placate Rocky.

They can't take back Shaw or heal Hossa, so Raffi will get the book thrown at him. What a bunch of clowns.