I know what third man in is. But its up to the refs to deem if the player is engaged in a fight or of its just a scrum. It did not look like boyle was engaged in a fight to me but if he was then you have to deem Bolig and torres also engaged in a fight.
- mvp0207

Boyle was definitely engaged in a fight with Carkner-he just wasnt fighting back. It looked to me that Carkner dropped his gloves and repeatedly punched Boyle in the face.His first illegal act was "fighting" I think the refs saw this too and immediately concluded 5 min major for fighting. when dubinsky jumped in he made himself a victim of the 3rd man in rule. Bollig grabed and threw down Torres. He then tried to drop his gloves and fight torres but other players and officials intervened. refs see roughing, not fighting, 3rd man rule does not apply.

refereeing aint easy. if it were, the nhl would be able to find 30 good refs for 10 games instead of 16 for 10 games. But the rules, though nuanced and based on logic, cannot account for EVERY on ice situation. And the bad calls and poorly called games usually even themselves out. for every "why wasnt torres penalized?" there is a 'why wasnt Hossa kicked out of the Nshvl game in the cup year?" response. who cares. we lost. we need a power play.

Per Jesse Rogers

Q said Saad is in for tomorrows game
- Wowo2282

This feels very desperate to me. I hope the kid shines however.

This

Call Daniel for his hit on Keith, no retaliation.

Keith's retaliation was dumb/bad. No argument.

Does he have a history of it? No. Does Torres have a history of trying to take guys heads off, yes, he does.

They are also different kinds of plays in different situations. You guys want to make an apples to apples comparison of apples and oranges.

Also, please spare me the justification of what Torres did as retaliation for what Shaw "did" to Smith. Shaw made him act like a fricking girl and writhe around on the ice in fake drama to get a penalty called and a guy suspended? Why would you "retaliate" for that? The Coyotes/Smith made out like bandits on that. Please.
- John Jaeckel

And why wait till the next game for retaliation.. why not do it the same game?

john
thank you for that blog
the game i love is pushing me away
whats worse is i have always held hockey players in high reguard and role models for young kids.
this no longer will be my overall impression for the group as a whole but reserved for specific players
thats provided i even continue to support thsi chicken $hit neandethal sport

CARCUS,

What is your answer for this? Are you telling me Shaw's hit was more deliberate? Really?
- John Jaeckel

I am not surprised as I have seen Blues players get suspended for 3 games for hits and they were also first time offenders.

It is not like this is out of the norm. Suspensions have had no rhyme or reason all season long.

I think he came down hard on Shaw because it was not only a hit to the head, but a hit to the head of a goaltender in a situation where Shaw had no buisness even touching him.

I thought that the Miller incident was terrible, but it isn't a good comparision as Miller came flying out of his crease to play the puck. Smith was standing behind the goal. Also, I think that they learned their lesson with the Miller hit and need to be more harsh when hits to the head of goaltenders happen. That is what we want the NHL to do, right? Learn a lesson if they make a mistake and get it right next time? I know it sucks because someone else got away with it, but I think Shaw's punishment fits the crime if you ignore everything else and just look at that one hit.

This feels very desperate to me. I hope the kid shines however.
- John Jaeckel

you're not Maad for Saad?

I can empathize with a really hard hit in the playoffs more than an elbow to the head in a meaningless regular season game.
- Mattjd123

How did you feel about Kronwall's hit on Kesler, which is a better yardstick for what Torres did?

Honestly.

Uh-huh, thought so.

You just don't get it.

Goalies shouldn't be decapitated by players. Smith shouldn't have been hit by Shaw and Halak and Elliott shouldn't be decapitated either.

This is a poor mentality to have. Someone disagrees with you and you want their favorite team's goaltenders to be decapitated.



You realize that you hoping that the exact same thing happens to another player, (gets decapitated) that you are up in arms with for happening to your team's player, right?
- carcus

Although I disagree with philco on that I dont wish something bad to happened to any Blues beacuse I think your opinions are off mark, I really dont think Philcos attitude will have any effect in real life as to something happening to a Hawk player. This is that whole "karma" thing again.

The hawks players or any other NHL teams players including the blues dont have to worry about retribution because a fan is hoping ill will on a hockey blog.

I think enough has been said of the hit. We know it's going to be at least 5 based on the fact that there's already an in-person hearing scheduled. My prediction? The rest of the playoffs plus 14 games next season. I believe that would be somewhat fair.

As for the game itself, that was a tough way to lose for Crawford who has been as good as he's been all year in these 3 games. That goal, which was very reminiscent of Kane's Stanley Cup clincher, was a very weak one.

Speaking of Kaner, he had an absolutely abysmal game last night. He looked very lazy on every backcheck, especially on the play leading to the winning goal, wasn't strong on the puck in the offensive zone as he usually is and passed up way too many shooting chances with traffic.

Now, a few pluses from last night:

1. Michael Frolik might have played the best game he's ever played for the Hawks. He was all over the ice, created tons of turnovers, had lots of speed and was solid defensively. Was glad to finally see him rewarded.

2. Jonathan Toews finally seems to be getting his faceoff mojo back. He was dominant in the circles last night.

3. Brent Seabrook and Nik Hjalmarsson were dynamite in their own zone, blocking shots and making solid plays. Hammer's break-up of that 2-on-1 was especially key.

you're not Maad for Saad?
- dstarz20

I think he could end up being a really good NHL power forward,or another Jack Skille. Way too early to tell and to put him in that position, in my estimation. But we'll see.

You just don't get it.

Goalies shouldn't be decapitated by players. Smith shouldn't have been hit by Shaw and Halak and Elliott shouldn't be decapitated either.

This is a poor mentality to have. Someone disagrees with you and you want their favorite team's goaltenders to be decapitated.



You realize that you hoping that the exact same thing happens to another player, (gets decapitated) that you are up in arms with for happening to your team's player, right?
- carcus

You keep reciting the Shaw incident as a case of black and white and it WASN'T.
Shaw tried to avoid Smith and had every right to be chasing a puck behind the net. It was incidental contact with a great acting job. So forgive me if i'm sick of your repetitive bull sh!t.

has anyone discuseed the BS 4 on 4 call that led to 3 goals, 2 by the yotes? Why was that even called? It was harmless.
- dstarz20

I am more concerned with how we lose 2-1 during 4 on 4 play. That shouldnt happen. that ray whitney is crafty.

I can empathize with a really hard hit in the playoffs more than an elbow to the head in a meaningless regular season game.
- Mattjd123

Your skill of empathy is apparently very good.

Yet you can't understand why anyone would have the slightest problem with getting slammed in the head away from the puck with no call being made...

Enjoy your off season.

I can empathize with a really hard hit in the playoffs more than an elbow to the head in a meaningless regular season game.
- Mattjd123

Why are you still here?

I am not surprised as I have seen Blues players get suspended for 3 games for hits and they were also first time offenders.

It is not like this is out of the norm. Suspensions have had no rhyme or reason all season long.

I think he came down hard on Shaw because it was not only a hit to the head, but a hit to the head of a goaltender in a situation where Shaw had no buisness even touching him.

I thought that the Miller incident was terrible, but it isn't a good comparision as Miller came flying out of his crease to play the puck. Smith was standing behind the goal. Also, I think that they learned their lesson with the Miller hit and need to be more harsh when hits to the head of goaltenders happen. That is what we want the NHL to do, right? Learn a lesson if they make a mistake and get it right next time? I know it sucks because someone else got away with it, but I think Shaw's punishment fits the crime if you ignore everything else and just look at that one hit.
- carcus

Incorrect. Smith leaned in/down to pay the puck, long after Shaw committed to try to swing by him. That's when the contact happened. Lucic had WAY more opportunity to pull up.

This feels very desperate to me. I hope the kid shines however.
- John Jaeckel

Well, you gotta try and get someone in there who can create some offense in Hossa's absence. I could see Saad lining up with 19 and 25 and 10 with 88 and 16. Put it this way: I'd rather Saad in our top 6 than Bruno right now.

I think he could end up being a really good NHL power forward,or another Jack Skille. Way too early to tell and to put him in that position, in my estimation. But we'll see.
- John Jaeckel

He's a better skater, has better hands and is a big kid. Better than anyone we have in Rockford. Fate has cast him into the limelight and he could very well surprise vs the men. Remember...he must have done pretty damn good in camp vs men to break camp with the big club.

Although I disagree with philco on that I dont wish something bad to happened to any Blues beacuse I think your opinions are off mark, I really dont think Philcos attitude will have any effect in real life as to something happening to a Hawk player. This is that whole "karma" thing again.

The hawks players or any other NHL teams players including the blues dont have to worry about retribution because a fan is hoping ill will on a hockey blog.
- mvp0207

I know that it won't effect what happens, but it is still a terrible thing to wish upon someone else.

Wonder if any of those tough guys laughed when within ten feet of Bollig. Doubtful.

We saw what Torres did (turtle).
- John Jaeckel

I'm with you on that one, John. No way they were laughing around Bollig. I definitely wouldn't be. Ha.

I'm just shaking my head today. I was really incensed last night, given the parties involved in that play. I'd like the Hawks to just take the next three and move past this, and most importantly Hossa being able to recover and return in October as the great player we all know he can be and have seen.

I hope that this horrible situation can at least affect real change in the enforcement of suspensions. Clear, succinct punishments laid out for all players to see.

Incorrect. Smith leaned in/down to pay the puck, long after Shaw committed to try to swing by him. That's when the contact happened. Lucic had WAY more opportunity to pull up.
- John Jaeckel

Thats unfair to say. Lucic said he didn't see Miller until the last second and he speaks only truth. Miller probably should have gotten an interference call on it. Poor Lucic.

How did you feel about Kronwall's hit on Kesler, which is a better yardstick for what Torres did?

Honestly.

Uh-huh, thought so.
- John Jaeckel

Well it's a fair point, isn't it?



And how did I feel about that hit? That it was charging.

That's an interesting comparison. Does this come down to injuries, then?
I.E. if Kesler left the game on a stretcher, does Kronwall get suspended?

If Hossa get's up on that hit, is Torres still suspended?

I can empathize with a really hard hit in the playoffs more than an elbow to the head in a meaningless regular season game.
- Mattjd123

Alright well then your minds made up what differnce do you care what we think over here? Lets just agree to disagree.

It was more then a really hard hit.. Thats also been explained ad nauseum.

john
thank you for that blog
the game i love is pushing me away
whats worse is i have always held hockey players in high reguard and role models for young kids.
this no longer will be my overall impression for the group as a whole but reserved for specific players
thats provided i even continue to support thsi chicken $hit neandethal sport
- molly2522

Raffi Torres is a little punk. At least be a man and answer for your actions when Bollig comes calling. He's not alone. 55 from Detroit is the same thing. Phoenix players laughing at one of the true stars (and gentlemen) in the game being strapped to a stretcher.

Stay Classy, indeed.

I am more concerned with how we lose 2-1 during 4 on 4 play. That shouldnt happen. that ray whitney is crafty.
- miked23

Hossa would've been on the ice for the 4 on 4, in which case, I will put the Hawks up against any other team in a 4 on 4. Hossa was not in there and that's of a big part how we lost 2-1.

I think enough has been said of the hit. We know it's going to be at least 5 based on the fact that there's already an in-person hearing scheduled. My prediction? The rest of the playoffs plus 14 games next season. I believe that would be somewhat fair.

As for the game itself, that was a tough way to lose for Crawford who has been as good as he's been all year in these 3 games. That goal, which was very reminiscent of Kane's Stanley Cup clincher, was a very weak one.

Speaking of Kaner, he had an absolutely abysmal game last night. He looked very lazy on every backcheck, especially on the play leading to the winning goal, wasn't strong on the puck in the offensive zone as he usually is and passed up way too many shooting chances with traffic.

Now, a few pluses from last night:

1. Michael Frolik might have played the best game he's ever played for the Hawks. He was all over the ice, created tons of turnovers, had lots of speed and was solid defensively. Was glad to finally see him rewarded.

2. Jonathan Toews finally seems to be getting his faceoff mojo back. He was dominant in the circles last night.

3. Brent Seabrook and Nik Hjalmarsson were dynamite in their own zone, blocking shots and making solid plays. Hammer's break-up of that 2-on-1 was especially key.
- andru2797

Aside from the goal to end the period he looked rather rattled between the 1st and 2nd and understandably so.

You have to wonder if you're a Toews or Kane out there: am I next?

Plus being concerned for a guy you've spent a lot of the last 3 years with who went off the ice in that fashion is rather disturbing. Willing to give him a pass for that one and fully expect the team in general to be back and on fire Thursday night.