bruinsbeer69
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Location: Willcox, AZ Joined: 09.23.2010
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salvadorsanchez
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Location: Just North of Mexico, CA Joined: 04.11.2011
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Players have limited shelf life and limited opportunity to make money, therefore they are obviously going to look out for themselves and their families. Depending on the situation some guys make lifestyle decisions and therefore get favorable deals like NTC. The agents really dictate most of this by gaming and setting price precedent plus bidding wars. The agent has longer life span but sometimes only 1-2 big fish clients so they go for big air. GM's and Owners also (frank) themselves by making rash signings in order to increase interest and ticket sales or if they need a new local or regional TV deal (USA). End of the day the NHL has to do a better job of marketing and encouraging teams that develop talent and build teams from draft vs just buying highest priced FA (RAGS). Its also location related as well. I'm happy for USA Hockey in Minnesota. What a great move for them. |
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Toad in Nj
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Location: Boychuk, NJ Joined: 02.07.2007
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why develop talent when they can walk at such a young age now
why not just scoop those (frank)ers up with offer sheets when the drafting team has paid for most if not all of the growing pains
that is what needs to be fixed, amongst other things |
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salvadorsanchez
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Location: Just North of Mexico, CA Joined: 04.11.2011
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why develop talent when they can walk at such a young age now
why not just scoop those (frank)ers up with offer sheets when the drafting team has paid for most if not all of the growing pains
that is what needs to be fixed, amongst other things - Toad in Nj
I'm not sure why they aren't more widely practiced like in african handball. See the post above about readdressing the 3 yr ELC. Good example is Marchand plays one season in NHL (albeit a good one!) and is up for a new contract. Makes no sense
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busher
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Location: BC Joined: 07.09.2007
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I'm not sure why they aren't more widely practiced like in african handball. See the post above about readdressing the 3 yr ELC. Good example is Marchand plays one season in NHL (albeit a good one!) and is up for a new contract. Makes no sense - salvadorsanchez
its easy to give the players sympathy for taking a asskicking in the last deal plus there was poor union leadership...player salaries were eating up much of the revenue plus the lousy Canadian dollar hurt too...now players are getting 57% of revenues (i think) and owners have taken a hard stand to reel it back...neither side wanna give so wave goodbye to at least start of the season...
whats the big deal in players giving up up 2 or 3% over a certain time frame and move it towards a more even playing field? I would say the same thing if it was the other way around...just go to 50/50...simple...owners continue to take the risk and hopefully make a buck...players still make a ton of dough...both sides look good...fans are happy and argue about their teams and habs continue to suck...sounds good to me!!!
TSN just had a interesting piece...basically critical of both sides doing more talking to the media vs negotiating...both sides too entrenched in their position....
i just hate labour crap in all pro sports...always have.... |
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Toad in Nj
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Location: Boychuk, NJ Joined: 02.07.2007
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whats the big deal in players giving up up 2 or 3% over a certain time frame and move it towards a more even playing field? I would say the same thing if it was the other way around...just go to 50/50...simple...owners continue to take the risk and hopefully make a buck...players still make a ton of dough...both sides look good...fans are happy and argue about their teams and habs continue to suck...sounds good to me!!!
TSN just had a interesting piece...basically critical of both sides doing more talking to the media vs negotiating...both sides too entrenched in their position....
i just hate labor crap in all pro sports...always have.... - busher
the big deal overall is the owners are the ones who have been unhappy, they got what they wanted, the game continues to grow and then they come out with a ludicrous first proposal..does anyone think that was helpful?
i agree that the owners have the right to make $$, they do take the risk (enc stuff that I speak of over and over is just 1 of the issues), but mr twitchy and his constituents play hardball over and over yet all of these rules and proposals are all about keeping themselves in line since they clearly can't do it themselves
the players will have to be flexible, they are not completely in the right, one side rarely is, but as a player why would you give in again when the last time they did it still (frank)ed everything up...
the league comes across as repeatedly throwing down ultimatums of what they must have and then they blow it up themselves...is it the players jobs or concerns on limiting the damage the owners do themselves? to some extent it should be, for the better of the game...but the owners don't care about "the game", they care about themselves...or they would be more interested in the prospect of revenue sharing to help the teams in trouble
I have to read the tsn article, i'm sure it has a ton of stuff that i am not aware of
i'm just speaking in general terms on the recent history, the way the league pompously presents itself and how it hasn't worked in the past yet they still must have it their way
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Toad in Nj
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Location: Boychuk, NJ Joined: 02.07.2007
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I'm not sure why they aren't more widely practiced like in african handball. See the post above about readdressing the 3 yr ELC. Good example is Marchand plays one season in NHL (albeit a good one!) and is up for a new contract. Makes no sense - salvadorsanchez
and in my opinion he was overpaid by at least a 1/2 to $1mm a year...who's fault is that, the players? he is a prime example, as are many others
paying big money off of one good year..and the potential to do it again |
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salvadorsanchez
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Location: Just North of Mexico, CA Joined: 04.11.2011
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and in my opinion he was overpaid by at least a 1/2 to $1mm a year...who's fault is that, the players? he is a prime example, as are many others
paying big money off of one good year..and the potential to do it again - Toad in Nj
its the ELC and that a player can play 1 year in the show and be due for another contract. baseball its a bit much as its like 7-10 years with arbitration and rfa and they get paid same salary in any leagues. NHL should be closer to that vs the 3 years when they start getting paid. look at dorothy, got paid large for 4 years for being in the minors. |
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Double_A
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Location: SK Joined: 06.04.2008
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I like Willey's suggestion of 2 stages of ELC's. Cap the first at 3 years/$1M per plus incentives, next 3 at $3M per, then UFA. |
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busher
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Location: BC Joined: 07.09.2007
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the big deal overall is the owners are the ones who have been unhappy, they got what they wanted, the game continues to grow and then they come out with a ludicrous first proposal..does anyone think that was helpful?
i agree that the owners have the right to make $$, they do take the risk (enc stuff that I speak of over and over is just 1 of the issues), but mr twitchy and his constituents play hardball over and over yet all of these rules and proposals are all about keeping themselves in line since they clearly can't do it themselves
the players will have to be flexible, they are not completely in the right, one side rarely is, but as a player why would you give in again when the last time they did it still (frank)ed everything up...
the league comes across as repeatedly throwing down ultimatums of what they must have and then they blow it up themselves...is it the players jobs or concerns on limiting the damage the owners do themselves? to some extent it should be, for the better of the game...but the owners don't care about "the game", they care about themselves...or they would be more interested in the prospect of revenue sharing to help the teams in trouble
I have to read the tsn article, i'm sure it has a ton of stuff that i am not aware of
i'm just speaking in general terms on the recent history, the way the league pompously presents itself and how it hasn't worked in the past yet they still must have it their way - Toad in Nj
One of the comments I made is if this was the other way around, i would be saying the same thing...players have to appreciate they are not hard done by and I also mentioned that I didnt like the hardball position of the owners...but you could also say the players have too...
i would hate to think the players are doing this cuz they got (frank)ed over last time...That was bad union leadership that was initially hardball and then they gave up a ton at the end...thats not the NHL's fault...Fehr is a stronger leader for sure...
to me it is just about getting a reasonable deal done; simple as that...to me from a PR standpoint, Im not sure why players wouldnt agree to a slight drop, but that is just me...seems to me that some people are siding with players cuz they hate bettman....that isnt enough for me...I like the way Daly presents himself...way better than bettman..but if both sides are entrenched, we are (frank)ed...
Fehr is saying the lockout is an option which I guess it is, but I would be hard pressed to continue the season with uncertainity too...travels plans/fan expectations...i think we are done for a while....
anyway, I wish it was just hockey talk.... |
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(frank) the nhl and the players
female genitalias
players should take a cut and the owners should use the savings to lower ticket prices lol |
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dt99999
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Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim Joined: 11.18.2008
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(frank) the nhl and the players
female genitalias
players should take a cut and the owners should use the savings to lower ticket prices lol - Cape Breton Bruins
your and idiot |
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your and idiot - dt99999
lol |
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Toad in Nj
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Location: Boychuk, NJ Joined: 02.07.2007
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i would hate to think the players are doing this cuz they got (frank)ed over last time...That was bad union leadership that was initially hardball and then they gave up a ton at the end...thats not the NHL's fault...Fehr is a stronger leader for sure...
. - busher
but that's the thing, the owners thought they (frank)ed the players last time
mr twitchy was quite full of himself
as it turns out the owners (frank)ed themselves, again
so, now the players are supposed to go for this plan, since they got it so right last time?
most would agree that both sides need to give up something, but to trust the owners with taking away more, not making the leagues lower revenue teams stronger and making the same mistakes again makes no sense
i want the players to give back on the entry level deals and the age of rfa.ufa
from what i have seen at least the players put something out there to help the entire league, not just the teams that have already proven to be successful
if the poop teams are going to stay in poop markets and be mismanaged move them all to (frank)ing canada |
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Toad in Nj
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Location: Boychuk, NJ Joined: 02.07.2007
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(frank) the nhl and the players
female genitalias
players should take a cut and the owners should use the savings to lower ticket prices lol - Cape Breton Bruins
i laugh every time i buy a perfectly good jersey from china and finger the hrr |
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Toad in Nj
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Location: Boychuk, NJ Joined: 02.07.2007
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and i am no expert on the subject(shush), i have a job and don't live in my mothers basement unlike some on the other teams boards
not too many of us are studying this poop night and day, who has the (frank)ing time for it
i hated the new rfa/ufa ages since day 1 and will continue to do so
nobody is changing my mind on that one |
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Double_A
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Location: SK Joined: 06.04.2008
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Seguin looking extra "thick" these days. Hope PC is sitting down. |
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Toad in Nj
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Location: Boychuk, NJ Joined: 02.07.2007
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Bruins place four on waivers
Link|Comments () Posted by Fluto Shinzawa, Globe Staff September 12, 2012 03:01 PM
By Fluto Shinzawa, Globe Staff
The NHL, according to Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli, has granted its clubs an expanded waivers period. Under this stipulation, the Bruins have placed Garnet Exelby, Christian Hanson, Jamie Tardif, and Trent Whitfield on waivers. TSN first reported the transactions.
Once the players clear waivers, they will be free to report to Providence and dress for AHL games. Providence’s training camp will start on Sept. 28.
Had a normal Bruins camp been anticipated, all four would have skated alongside the big boys. They would have most likely dressed for some preseason games, although they were long shots to break camp on the varsity roster.
However, because of the uncertainty regarding both the preseason and regular season, the NHL has introduced the expanded waivers period. The Bruins are scheduled to open camp on Sept. 21 at Ristuccia Arena.
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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(frank) the nhl and the players
female genitalias
players should take a cut and the owners should use the savings to lower ticket prices lol - Cape Breton Bruins
Guess you side on the owners then |
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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i laugh every time i buy a perfectly good jersey from china and finger the hrr - Toad in Nj
I started doing the same. Pay $30 a jersey now instead of $200+.
Not sure if Boston is doing the same but Habs had incentives for turning in fakes and actually had a policy forbidding entrance if you had a fake jersey. |
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bruinsbeer69
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Location: Willcox, AZ Joined: 09.23.2010
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Bruins place four on waivers
Link|Comments () Posted by Fluto Shinzawa, Globe Staff September 12, 2012 03:01 PM
By Fluto Shinzawa, Globe Staff
The NHL, according to Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli, has granted its clubs an expanded waivers period. Under this stipulation, the Bruins have placed Garnet Exelby, Christian Hanson, Jamie Tardif, and Trent Whitfield on waivers. TSN first reported the transactions.
Once the players clear waivers, they will be free to report to Providence and dress for AHL games. Providence’s training camp will start on Sept. 28.
Had a normal Bruins camp been anticipated, all four would have skated alongside the big boys. They would have most likely dressed for some preseason games, although they were long shots to break camp on the varsity roster.
However, because of the uncertainty regarding both the preseason and regular season, the NHL has introduced the expanded waivers period. The Bruins are scheduled to open camp on Sept. 21 at Ristuccia Arena. - Toad in Nj
I don't envision we'll be losing any of these guys.....not that it matters.
See ya in January.
Have fun in Belfast, Thornton.....in Czech, Krejci......and in Finland, Tuukka.
If it were me, I'd go with Krejci.....hottest women on the planet
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bruinsbeer69
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Location: Willcox, AZ Joined: 09.23.2010
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I started doing the same. Pay $30 a jersey now instead of $200+.
Not sure if Boston is doing the same but Habs had incentives for turning in fakes and actually had a policy forbidding entrance if you had a fake jersey. - willey101
If only they had as strict a policy which included the use of deodorant |
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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If only they had as strict a policy which included the use of deodorant - bruinsbeer69
Don't mock the bell centre......i've been to Boston to see quite a few games the past 4 years. It's like taking a step back in the evolutionary chain. |
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Double_A
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Location: SK Joined: 06.04.2008
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I started doing the same. Pay $30 a jersey now instead of $200+.
Not sure if Boston is doing the same but Habs had incentives for turning in fakes and actually had a policy forbidding entrance if you had a fake jersey. - willey101
Does Jersey Mall 2008 still exist? That place was fantastic. |
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willey101
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Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i Joined: 10.06.2005
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Does Jersey Mall 2008 still exist? That place was fantastic. - Double_A
Nver heard of that one. I was using 21NFL.com I think it was. Haven't' ordered in 2 years though. Have to admit......got a Gomez Jersey.
Key was to order bulk. We'd pool our jerseys together and order like 40-50 at a time and then pay between $20-$30 each including shipping |
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