Not to really be picky with your loose assessment, but the Jax aren't in the division. you could make the argument that Toronto is in NYR's conference, and NYI is a bottom feeder in their division. But that's not why I'm responding. They play the Sharks, Canucks, along with Anaheim and Phoenix. Those two are also high output teams. Yes, Philly and Pitt are tops. But to say Hank deserves all the credit because he faces tougher competition is extremely flawed.
- TheSabresTaco

My point was more that the hank has to see the pens and flyers 6 times a year. I know the jackets aren't a divisional opponent.

The islanders are a bottom feeder I agree but they always play the rangers with everything they have just because it's the rangers.

The sharks aren't what they used to be, but the arguement is noted about the nux and yotes

Look, I don't really give a damn about either of them. But Quick deserves recognition. Guy had a ton of shut outs and single handedly delivered LA to the playoffs. It's easy to think NY has a better team. And a much higher scoring team.
- TheSabresTaco

Who is saying quick shouldn't get recognition? He is a worthy vezina finalist.

Lundquist should and will win the Vezina, nothing against Quick. If Quick goes the way his career is currently going, he will no doubt win the Vezina in the future as well.
- MikeyOz

This. I know Quick won't win. But he deserves finalist honors.

Look, I don't really give a damn about either of them. But Quick deserves recognition. Guy had a ton of shut outs and single handedly delivered LA to the playoffs. It's easy to think NY has a better team. And a much higher scoring team.
- TheSabresTaco

quick being nominated is recognition. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the conversation, but he shouldn't win.

edit: why is lundqvist being discredited because guys like kopitar, richards and brown had off years?

quick being nominated is recognition. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the conversation, but he shouldn't win.
- tomburton99

This

quick being nominated is recognition. I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the conversation, but he shouldn't win.

edit: why is lundqvist being discredited because guys like kopitar, richards and brown had off years?
- tomburton99

This

So now we give out yearly awards based on past seasons? Then why not just call them respect trophies and when a player gets enough then they are voted as winner. These awards are for the season just played not past accomplishments or consistency. If those are the criteria then the Calder trophy should only be handed out after a players fifth year to ensure consistency and respect are properly earned.

Without Quick Kings are in last place easy. They could't even score until after the trade deadline. If I'm also not mistaken Quick has to face a couple teams named the Red Wings, Blackhawks, and the President Trophy winning Canucks(beat out the strangers for that) on a regular basis. How does that not match up against the East?

Both are solid but Quick carried his entire team from November till mid March before the Kings could give him the goal support required.

Finally, how exactly does one earn respect around here? Is carrying a team not enough?

Yes the kings D is solid when Doughty isn't wandering around but even they still collapsed alot on his shoulders.

This years Kings team finished in 8th and scored 194 times. Quick had 35 wins and 10 shutouts. People(fans and experts alike) are saying Quick deseves a vezina.


the 2010-11 Rangers finished in 8th scored 233 times. Lundqvist had 36 wins and 11 shutouts. When ranger fans said lundqvist should have been nominated for the vezina, fans on this site said he didn't deserve it because he couldn't elevate the rangers past 8th place.

now that lundqvist has led the the rangers to a top seed people are saying he shouldn't win because quick led his team to an 8th place finish.

idk, sounds like a double standard to me.

Exactly, I think Lundqvist should win, but because he was the best this year, not because he deserves "respect" from the league, like Garth said.
- isles10289

Exactly, I think (fill in the blank), but because (fill in another blank), not because Garth said.

Solid argument every time!

So now we give out yearly awards based on past seasons?
- onac22

If there was a what I would call shock and Quick was given the award I don't think anybody here would be saying he doesn't deserve it! He was nominated as one of the best goaltenders this year, ahead of Miller/Thomas/Luongo just to name 3, sure there are others, how is that not recognition of being a damn good goalie, I bet you it will come into it when there is a contract negotiation as well.

So now we give out yearly awards based on past seasons? Then why not just call them respect trophies and when a player gets enough then they are voted as winner. These awards are for the season just played not past accomplishments or consistency. If those are the criteria then the Calder trophy should only be handed out after a players fifth year to ensure consistency and respect are properly earned.

Without Quick Kings are in last place easy. They could't even score until after the trade deadline. If I'm also not mistaken Quick has to face a couple teams named the Red Wings, Blackhawks, and the President Trophy winning Canucks(beat out the strangers for that) on a regular basis. How does that not match up against the East?

Both are solid but Quick carried his entire team from November till mid March before the Kings could give him the goal support required.

Finally, how exactly does one earn respect around here? Is carrying a team not enough?

Yes the kings D is solid when Doughty isn't wandering around but even they still collapsed alot on his shoulders.
- onac22

shutouts versus the canucks this year in the regular season. lundqvist 1, quick 0.

oops.

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if quick wins the vezina then lundqvist should win the hart. lets just look at lunqvist's 2010-2011 season.
gp:68 wins:38 loses:27 OT:5 SO:11 .923 2.28

not one person in the hockey world mentioned the veina for lundqvist in 2010-2011

here is a look a qucik's season this year.

gp:69 wins:35 loses:21 OT:13 SO:10 .929 1.95

if lundqvist stats in 2010 didn't earn him a vezina, quick's stats this year don't earn him one. end of story.
- tomburton99

Why are you completely ignoring what Thomas put up that year while winning the Vezina?

35-11-9 GAA: 2.00 SV% .938 9 SO, THAT is why Lundqvist didn't get the Vezina. Thomas set the single season sv% record for christ's sake...

Why are you completely ignoring what Thomas put up that year while winning the Vezina?

35-11-9 GAA: 2.00 SV% .938 9 SO, THAT is why Lundqvist didn't get the Vezina. Thomas set the single season sv% record for christ's sake...
- snowstorm077

i'm ignoring it. that's why lundqvist didn't win last year. Thomas was better. Lundqvist was the best goalie this year. why should quick win, because his team didn't score?

The Kings came 29th in goals for, the Kings are in the playoffs.

Quick had 10 shutouts.

Quick played in 27(?) games where the opposing team was held to 1 or fewer goals.

i'm ignoring it. that's why lu ndqvist didn't win last year. Thomas was better. Lundqvist was the best goalie this year. why should quick win, because his team didn't score?


- tomburton99

The crime last year was that lundqvist wasn't a finalist.

The Kings came 29th in goals for, the Kings are in the playoffs.

Quick had 10 shutouts.

Quick played in 27(?) games where the opposing team was held to 1 or fewer goals.
- FinAddict

again, not lundqvist's fault that the kings couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

The Kings came 29th in goals for, the Kings are in the playoffs.

Quick had 10 shutouts.

Quick played in 27(?) games where the opposing team was held to 1 or fewer goals.
- FinAddict

How many of those games were against the penguins or flyers?

again, not lundqvist's fault that the kings couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.
- tomburton99

It's not his fault, but it just shows how much Quick means to the Kings. I personally think he should win the Vezina and the Hart. The Rangers are a much better team on paper than the Kings, that is undeniable. Teams/players in the far west are always underrated

i'm ignoring it. that's why lundqvist didn't win last year. Thomas was better. Lundqvist was the best goalie this year. why should quick win, because his team didn't score?


- tomburton99

Lundqvist didn't win or get nominated in 2010-2011 because there were three goaltenders that were clearly better.

This year, Lundqvist and Quick put up near identical stats. Quick was stronger with GAA and SO, they were essentially equal in SV% (difference of .001) and Lundqvist had 4 more wins.

People are pointing out that the wins total shouldn't be what divides the two. That relies too much on total team play and does not always reflect how the goalie played.

shutouts versus the canucks this year in the regular season. lundqvist 1, quick 0.

oops.
- tomburton99

Good for lundqvist, but Quick had a winning record against all the top four teams in the west and I remember Quick winning the head to head against Lundqvist to open the season in Sweden.

Lundqvist didn't win or get nominated in 2010-2011 because there were three goaltenders that were clearly better.

This year, Lundqvist and Quick put up near identical stats. Quick was stronger with GAA and SO, they were essentially equal in SV% (difference of .001) and Lundqvist had 4 more wins.

People are pointing out that the wins total shouldn't be what divides the two. That relies too much on total team play and does not always reflect how the goalie played.
- snowstorm077

Yeah. Those shutouts quick had at the end of the year vs Edmonton were brilliant.

Let me tell you. Lundqvist beat the flyers 5-3 in a game at the end of the season that was better than any goalie played all year long.

Have you people watched how insane offensively the flyers and penguins are?

It's not his fault, but it just shows how much Quick means to the Kings. I personally think he should win the Vezina and the Hart. The Rangers are a much better team on paper than the Kings, that is undeniable. Teams/players in the far west are always underrated
- FinAddict

so quick should win the vezina and the hart becuase the kings have scoring issues. But lundqvist is over looked becuase quick's team struggled to score.

that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. Those shutouts quick had at the end of the year vs Edmonton were brilliant.

Let me tell you. Lundqvist beat the flyers 5-3 in a game at the end of the season that was better than any goalie played all year long.

Have you people watched how insane offensively the flyers and penguins are?
- jimbro83

Quick played them once each, allowing 4 goals total.

Good for lundqvist, but Quick had a winning record against all the top four teams in the west and I remember Quick winning the head to head against Lundqvist to open the season in Sweden.
- onac22

lundqvist had a 6-0 record against the flyers. The flyers that scored 264 goals this year.