interesting goalie conversation

1 thing I would like to add before I go into hiding for 6 hours is the following

Not many goalies in todays NHL can play 65 games a year or stretches of 23 out of 25 games, and play it well.

Miller broke down and was average for his last 4 starts, good vs the flyers but brutal in the 2 leaf games. This is a coaching issue IMO

the year we won the presidents trophy, millers play faded at the end
the year miller won the vezina, his play faded down the stretch
last year enroth, a fresher goalie, won the deciding games to get us in the post season

I doubt it is a focus thing but more of a fact that there are not many hank's, quick's out there and you see those few elite goalies playing stellar even now moving deep into the playoffs

and the monster is big and sucks and there are some small goalies that can play well
to quote a few of my male friends down here and their unhappy wives "size does not matter"


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- homiedclown

You could interpret Enroths career so far as he was good until teams had an opportunity to scout him, and then he was much less good.

Who are these good small goalies, by the way? I'll give you Tim Thomas, who's still an inch taller than Enroth, but no one was lining up to trade a top prospect when Thomas was in his third year either.

I'm sorry, but I'm here all the time, and while I love each and every poster on here like a brother or sister, citing this forum as evidence if what a paid NHL GM should do doesn't exactly convince me. I.e. we say really stupid stuff on here all the time.

Hey, if we could get an asset for the guy great. I just don't think we will, for the reasons I bring up.
- nfph

I never said a GM should base his opinion on HockeyBuzz. That being said, there was a Buzz going around when Enroth was playing last year, he won 9 in a row I think, a few shutouts, had a couple this year too. 17-13-6 with a 2.70 GAA is not bad for being on a team who has under-acheived quite a bit the past 2 seasons.

You could interpret Enroths career so far as he was good until teams had an opportunity to scout him, and then he was much less good.

Who are these good small goalies, by the way?
- nfph

Tim Thomas, Ty Conklin, both under 6 foot. Thats off the top of my head. both have had 40 win seasons

I never said a GM should base his opinion on HockeyBuzz. That being said, there was a Buzz going around when Enroth was playing last year, he won 9 in a row I think, a few shutouts, had a couple this year too. 17-13-6 with a 2.70 GAA is not bad for being on a team who has under-acheived quite a bit the past 2 seasons.
- sbroads24

Yeah, and then he fell off a cliff. Might be because teams figured out to shoot high and 5-hole on him.

Tim Thomas, Ty Conklin, both under 6 foot. Thats off the top of my head. both have had 40 win seasons
- sbroads24

Conklin is listed as 6'0", and is a backup. You wouldnt trade Armia for him, would you?

Yeah, and then he fell off a cliff. Might be because teams figured out to shoot high and 5-hole on him.
- nfph

There is a direct corrrelation between how Enroth was playing and how the team was playing. When we were playing good hockey last year and for part of this year, Enroth was a serviceable starter....Not great but ok. When the team was a joke.. Our goalies were a joke as well

There is a direct corrrelation between how Enroth was playing and how the team was playing. When we were playing good hockey last year and for part of this year, Enroth was a serviceable starter....Not great but ok. When the team was a joke.. Our goalies were a joke as well
- sbroads24

What I'm suggesting is that doesn't help paint Enroth as much of a valuable commodity.

You could interpret Enroths career so far as he was good until teams had an opportunity to scout him, and then he was much less good.

Who are these good small goalies, by the way? I'll give you Tim Thomas, who's still an inch taller than Enroth, but no one was lining up to trade a top prospect when Thomas was in his third year either.
- nfph

some goalies under 6 foot tall

thomas
vokoun
turco
theodore
halak
conklin
richter
osgood





and hasek

Conklin is listed as 6'0", and is a backup. You wouldnt trade Armia for him, would you?
- nfph

If Conklin is really 6 foot then I am Shaquille Oneal. Ihave seen him in person. I am 5'11 and am taller than him. If I was Toronto or Columbus, or even Chicago I would consider it. Goalie is hard to find

What I'm suggesting is that doesn't help paint Enroth as much of a valuable commodity.
- nfph

There are about 6 teams who have major questions in net. A serviceable starter would do wonders for a few of them. I never said he is a hot commodity either, but to dismiss him of any value is very pesimistic.

some goalies under 6 foot tall

thomas
vokoun
turco
theodore
halak
conklin
richter
osgood


and hasek
- homiedclown

Hasek, Conklin, Vokoun are all over 6'.

All of those guys have at least one inch on Enroth.

If Conklin is really 6 foot then I am Shaquille Oneal. Ihave seen him in person. I am 5'11 and am taller than him. If I was Toronto or Columbus, or even Chicago I would consider it. Goalie is hard to find
- sbroads24

He's taller than Enroth.

There are about 6 teams who have major questions in net. A serviceable starter would do wonders for a few of them. I never said he is a hot commodity either, but to dismiss him of any value is very pesimistic.
- sbroads24

I don't believe Enroth is a serviceable starter, and I have the feeling many GMs agree with me. I'd be happy to be wrong because to em it would mean we robbed some GM who was desperate, and wrong.

He's taller than Enroth.
- nfph

And Bishop is 8 inches taller than Thomas. Whats the point??

I don't believe Enroth is a serviceable starter, and I have the feeling many GMs agree with me. I'd be happy to be wrong because to em it would mean we robbed some GM who was desperate, and wrong.
- nfph

What evidence other than he is short is their to suggest he cant start on a team that will play defense.

And Bishop is 8 inches taller than Thomas. Whats the point??
- sbroads24

Man really?

The point is when you're expecting someone to give something up for a player, that player better not have a big fundamental question mark hanging over them.

What evidence other than he is short is their to suggest he cant start on a team that will play defense.
- sbroads24

There's no evidence he can. Besides, which of those 6 teams you're referencing are defensive powerhouses?

I'm trying to figure out why Garth said they have to figure out what to do with Knapp. He's under contract as of the last few weeks of the AHL regular season. He finished out the year in Rochester. My guess would be he'll be in Rochester with Lieuwen and Leggio is the odd man out. How is it that I have no access to the actual team and I can figure that out?

There's no evidence he can.
- nfph

in 2008 he was 45 on the NHL's top 50 prospect list. Does that suggest career backup?? His sample size is too small to say either way. GM's trade for potential all the time. 2nd round picks are thrown around like candy... ask Darcy.

There's no evidence he can. Besides, which of those 6 teams you're referencing are defensive powerhouses?
- nfph

Lets not forget that our 4th line center with an expiring contract got us a 1st round pick. You really think Enroth is worthless??? Im not arguing whether he is a top goalie or not, im arguing that he is worthless.

in 2008 he was 45 on the NHL's top 50 prospect list. Does that suggest career backup?? His sample size is too small to say either way. GM's trade for potential all the time. 2nd round picks are thrown around like candy... ask Darcy.
- sbroads24

Most likely thing is it won't happen because they have no need to trade him. Beyond that, I say wouldn't happen because they wouldn't get anything particularly valuable back for him. No value was obviously hyperbolic, but I'd imagine if you asked posters on the boards of the 6 teams you have in mind what they'd send us for Enroth, the responses would be underwhelming.

Lets not forget that our 4th line center with an expiring contract got us a 1st round pick. You really think Enroth is worthless??? Im not arguing whether he is a top goalie or not, im arguing that he is worthless.
- sbroads24

I hate to be nit picky, but Gaustad was actually our 3rd line center. Not to mention that trading a guy like that at the deadline has a higher price and we sent a pick the other way with him for that 1st rounder. Making a trade in the offseason is a whole different animal than at the deadline.

Lets not forget that our 4th line center with an expiring contract got us a 1st round pick. You really think Enroth is worthless??? Im not arguing whether he is a top goalie or not, im arguing that he is worthless.
- sbroads24

Yeah, return on goalies is historically lower than skaters, Varlamov not withstanding. So yes.

Again, worthless was hyperbolic. Not worth the return is possibly more accurate, but it's more or less the same in the end.

Yeah, return on goalies is historically lower than skaters, Varlamov not withstanding. So yes.

Again, worthless was hyperbolic. Not worth the return is possibly more accurate, but it's more or less the same in the end.
- nfph

Ok, I agree there. IMO enroth is a Conklin type player. More suited more a backup role but will get looks as a starter in the NHL. On a team like Detroit or NYR or St. Louis I think Enroth could be very successful. I just think that if we are gonna play Miller 60 games a year, see if Enroth can help get you a roster player

Ok, I agree there. IMO enroth is a Conklin type player. More suited more a backup role but will get looks as a starter in the NHL. On a team like Detroit or NYR or St. Louis I think Enroth could be very successful. I just think that if we are gonna play Miller 60 games a year, see if Enroth can help get you a roster player
- sbroads24

That still leaves 22 games per year we need a guy that can not scare the poop out of you when they put him in. Not to mention that with the way Ruff chews up backups, it takes a pretty special guy to be able to handle that.