I hate to be nit picky, but Gaustad was actually our 3rd line center. Not to mention that trading a guy like that at the deadline has a higher price and we sent a pick the other way with him for that 1st rounder. Making a trade in the offseason is a whole different animal than at the deadline.
- HonkFortheGoose

Look at the Varlamov trade. 1st and 2nd rounder for a goalie with potential. Not saying Enroth would get that but I would love to try and pry Bolland from CHI for Enroth and a 2nd maybe. Nashville knew what goose was. He was gonna be their 4th center who takes imprtant draws, plays on the PK, nothing more, he got 6 or 7 minutes of ice last game. It all depends on what the team need is, you really can never predict what a GM thinks of a certain player.

Yeah, return on goalies is historically lower than skaters, Varlamov not withstanding. So yes.

Again, worthless was hyperbolic. Not worth the return is possibly more accurate, but it's more or less the same in the end.
- nfph

I agree trading enroth for even as much as a 2nd leaves a critical hole


how soon we forget LaLemon and T-Blow

we finally have a servicable back up and people want to trade him for a pick ????WTF

That still leaves 22 games per year we need a guy that can not scare the poop out of you when they put him in. Not to mention that with the way Ruff chews up backups, it takes a pretty special guy to be able to handle that.
- HonkFortheGoose

There are 20 a year guys available every year. Enroth wont play in the playoffs for us, see if he can fetch a return, if not, keep him.

I agree trading enroth for even as much as a 2nd leaves a critical hole


how soon we forget LaLemon and T-Blow

we finally have a servicable back up and people want to trade him for a pick ????WTF
- billyk

I dont want a pick....I was arguing whether he was worthless or not.

Ok, I agree there. IMO enroth is a Conklin type player. More suited more a backup role but will get looks as a starter in the NHL. On a team like Detroit or NYR or St. Louis I think Enroth could be very successful. I just think that if we are gonna play Miller 60 games a year, see if Enroth can help get you a roster player
- sbroads24

So I 1/2 agree. Taking Conklin as an example, he has been traded for our 5th rounder in 2007. That qualifies as not worth it to me.

Look at the Varlamov trade. 1st and 2nd rounder for a goalie with potential. Not saying Enroth would get that but I would love to try and pry Bolland from CHI for Enroth and a 2nd maybe. Nashville knew what goose was. He was gonna be their 4th center who takes imprtant draws, plays on the PK, nothing more, he got 6 or 7 minutes of ice last game. It all depends on what the team need is, you really can never predict what a GM thinks of a certain player.
- sbroads24

I really have to insist that Varlamov and Enroth are not good comparables.

So I 1/2 agree. Taking Conklin as an example, he has been traded for our 5th rounder in 2007. That qualifies as not worth it to me.
- nfph

We werent trading for him to be a starter. Some team might envision Enroth as a starter. You dont think so... I think there might be. Who knows, I dont want a draft pick, but if Stan Bowman calls Darcy and says he's looking for another goalie to push Crawford, and Bolland is available, I would try to work something out

Look at the Varlamov trade. 1st and 2nd rounder for a goalie with potential. Not saying Enroth would get that but I would love to try and pry Bolland from CHI for Enroth and a 2nd maybe. Nashville knew what goose was. He was gonna be their 4th center who takes imprtant draws, plays on the PK, nothing more, he got 6 or 7 minutes of ice last game. It all depends on what the team need is, you really can never predict what a GM thinks of a certain player.
- sbroads24

Varlamov is the exception, not the rule. Not to mention that he had more experience than Enroth does and really, what good did it do Colorado? They still missed the playoffs. Varlamov had playoff experience as well, but happened to run into some injury issues.

I really have to insist that Varlamov and Enroth are not good comparables.
- nfph

Im not comparing there worth... Im saying and even you said that it was considred over-payment, same with Goose. If a GM believes in Enroth, we might be suprised with the return

There are 20 a year guys available every year. Enroth wont play in the playoffs for us, see if he can fetch a return, if not, keep him.
- sbroads24

There are? That's why we've dealt with the revolving door in our backup position? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. Unless they're bringing Leggio up to be the backup, who has never played an NHL game, we don't have anyone else in the pipeline to fill that role. The guys that are available on the market are either at the end of their career (think Lalime) or are going to fetch a large sum of money and want to be starters (Harding).

Varlamov is the exception, not the rule. Not to mention that he had more experience than Enroth does and really, what good did it do Colorado? They still missed the playoffs. Varlamov had playoff experience as well, but happened to run into some injury issues.
- HonkFortheGoose

He had 27 career games under his belt. Varlamov has the best shootout record in the NHL and is their bonafide number 1. Colorado is perfectly happy with him.

We werent trading for him to be a starter. Some team might envision Enroth as a starter. You dont think so... I think there might be. Who knows, I dont want a draft pick, but if Stan Bowman calls Darcy and says he's looking for another goalie to push Crawford, and Bolland is available, I would try to work something out
- sbroads24

I'd do that in a heartbeat, and laugh at Bowman all the way to the unemployment line.

Im not comparing there worth... Im saying and even you said that it was considred over-payment, same with Goose. If a GM believes in Enroth, we might be suprised with the return
- sbroads24

Well I hope you're right.

Im not comparing there worth... Im saying and even you said that it was considred over-payment, same with Goose. If a GM believes in Enroth, we might be suprised with the return
- sbroads24

I have to argue that Goose was an overpayment. We essentially moved up to the 1st round by moving our 4th round pick and Goose to a team looking to make a playoff splash. The premium on guys like Goose at the deadline is always high. He was a highly sought after guy because he's strong on the dot, is a great PKer, and can help shut down the top line. He's the perfect playoff rental. Those guys don't come cheap. You can't compare a deadline trade and an offseason trade. They're two completely different animals.

There are? That's why we've dealt with the revolving door in our backup position? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make sense. Unless they're bringing Leggio up to be the backup, who has never played an NHL game, we don't have anyone else in the pipeline to fill that role. The guys that are available on the market are either at the end of their career (think Lalime) or are going to fetch a large sum of money and want to be starters (Harding).
- HonkFortheGoose

Dan Ellis, Martin Biron??? Conklin, Clemmensen??? They cant play 20 games for us?? Saying there is no one else to be a back up goalie doesnt make sense

He had 27 career games under his belt. Varlamov has the best shootout record in the NHL and is their bonafide number 1. Colorado is perfectly happy with him.
- sbroads24

He also had 13 games of playoff experience. And it was 59 games of experience with the Caps, not 27.

And shootout record means nothing, ask Jonathan Quick who had the best one last year and then had nothing but trouble in them this year.

Dan Ellis, Martin Biron??? Conklin, Clemmensen??? They cant play 20 games for us?? Saying there is no one else to be a back up goalie doesnt make sense
- sbroads24

Conklin has been on how many different teams over how many years? Yeah, I'll pass.

Biron isn't as good as everyone around here thinks he is. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but his stats over the last few years aren't exactly anything to get excited about. Ellis had issues coming in for Hiller this year which is why Anaheim had such issues. Clemmensen is an alright guy, he's done some pretty decent things, but again, why can't he seem to stick anywhere? There's a reason these guys jump from team to team.

EDIT: I didn't say there wasn't anyone else to pick up, I said I didn't like any of the options. Big difference.

Dan Ellis, Martin Biron??? Conklin, Clemmensen??? They cant play 20 games for us?? Saying there is no one else to be a back up goalie doesnt make sense
- sbroads24

The thing is, this argument cuts both ways. Either Enroth is hard to replace and is therefore valueable, or he's easy to replace and therefore he's not. I think it's a case where he's more valuable on our roster than off it. He's fine as a backup, and maybe hell learn a few new tricks someday and really push to be a starter.

The thing is, this argument cuts both ways. Either Enroth is hard to replace and is therefore valueable, or he's easy to replace and therefore he's not. I think it's a case where he's more valuable on our roster than off it. He's fine as a backup, and maybe hell learn a few new tricks someday and really push to be a starter.
- nfph

This.

I think Enroth is a good guy to have behind Miller. The team seems to play a little harder for him as well. That's not something we've been able to say about backups over the years. Usually the backup comes in and our guys leave him hanging out to dry.

I have to argue that Goose was an overpayment. We essentially moved up to the 1st round by moving our 4th round pick and Goose to a team looking to make a playoff splash. The premium on guys like Goose at the deadline is always high. He was a highly sought after guy because he's strong on the dot, is a great PKer, and can help shut down the top line. He's the perfect playoff rental. Those guys don't come cheap. You can't compare a deadline trade and an offseason trade. They're two completely different animals.
- HonkFortheGoose

It was over- payment for a 4th line center. Ok i'll put this differently, If you view Gaustad as a 2nd line center hypothetically, a 1st round pick is not Over-payment, but if you veiw him as a 4th then yes thats alot for a 4th line center. If a GM envisions Enroth as a guy who can start 40 games, a decent roster player would not be over payment for that GM. If you are a GM who envisions Enroth as a backup than anything other than a mid-round pick would be considered over-payment. It depends on what other GM's envision a guy like Enroth. Just like the Varlamov situiation.

It was over- payment for a 4th line center. Ok i'll put this differently, If you view Gaustad as a 2nd line center hypothetically, a 1st round pick is not Over-payment, but if you veiw him as a 4th then yes thats alot for a 4th line center. If a GM envisions Enroth as a guy who can start 40 games, a decent roster player would not be over payment for that GM. If you are a GM who envisions Enroth as a backup than anything other than a mid-round pick would be considered over-payment. It depends on what other GM's envision a guy like Enroth. Just like the Varlamov situiation.
- sbroads24

You seem to keep forgetting that it wasn't just Gaustad for a 1st straight up. It was Gaustad and a 4th for a 1st. It does make a difference, even though you don't seem to think so.

And in what situation do you generally see a team telling the goalies, "OK, you're going to play 40 or so games" then turning to the other guys and saying "Ok, you're going to play the other 40 or so games." The STL goaltending tandem that they had this year is the anomaly, not the norm. I wouldn't go around expecting that this is the type of situation that any team would plan to use. It just kind of happened there.

You seem to keep forgetting that it wasn't just Gaustad for a 1st straight up. It was Gaustad and a 4th for a 1st. It does make a difference, even though you don't seem to think so.

And in what situation do you generally see a team telling the goalies, "OK, you're going to play 40 or so games" then turning to the other guys and saying "Ok, you're going to play the other 40 or so games." The STL goaltending tandem that they had this year is the anomaly, not the norm. I wouldn't go around expecting that this is the type of situation that any team would plan to use. It just kind of happened there.
- HonkFortheGoose

I dont care about Gaustad, thats not the point at all... It's a hypothetical. I like Enroth, he's a good backup, im not looking to dump him, all im saying is that there might be a GM who envisions him as a starter, in which case we could get a good return. Example Chicago, they have invested money in Crawford, they are close to the cap. A way of pushing crawford might be to bring in a guy who can split playing time with him. Enroth is cheap and has potential still. They cant bring in a guy like Luongo because of what they are paying Crawford and what they would have to give up, Enroth might be a better alternative. They dont wanna give up on Crawford but cant go into next season with him being the only option. Again I dont think we should dump Ewok, all im saying is there might be a market for him that would exceed whatever he would accomplish in Buffalo

I dont care about Gaustad, thats not the point at all... It's a hypothetical. I like Enroth, he's a good backup, im not looking to dump him, all im saying is that there might be a GM who envisions him as a starter, in which case we could get a good return. Example Chicago, they have invested money in Crawford, they are close to the cap. A way of pushing crawford might be to bring in a guy who can split playing time with him. Enroth is cheap and has potential still. They cant bring in a guy like Luongo because of what they are paying Crawford and what they would have to give up, Enroth might be a better alternative. They dont wanna give up on Crawford but cant go into next season with him being the only option. Again I dont think we should dump Ewok, all im saying is there might be a market for him that would exceed whatever he would accomplish in Buffalo
- sbroads24

You must have missed the part where Chicago resigned Emery. So, your hypothetical situation has some holes in it.

You must have missed the part where Chicago resigned Emery. So, your hypothetical situation has some holes in it.
- HonkFortheGoose

Doesnt every "Hypothetical"?? Is that not the meaning.

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