The Leafs already have Lupul, Kessel, Grabovski and MacArthur as top six forwards. Penner isn't a center so he's not going to replace Bozak or Connolly. That leaves Kulemin, Frattin and Kadri. Do you really want to see Penner replace one of those three guys? And even if he plays on the 3rd line, do you really want Penner on the 3rd line?

Makes no sense. He's 30, he's usually out of shape, he's lazy and he's the opposite of what this team needs.
- Unholy_Goalie

Here's how it would shake out:

Kessel - Grabo - Lupul
Penner - Frattin - Kadri
Mac - Bozi - Kuli

And DONE.

Here's how it would shake out:

Kessel - Grabo - Lupul
Penner - Frattin - Kadri
Mac - Bozi - Kuli

And DONE.
- Pen15

Cool. Frattin plays center now. And better than Bozak too.

This is great stuff.

I can't understand why we don't just use what we have? Draft well this year and try out the same goalies, or pick up a goalie to take some of the weight off of one of our younger goalies. If we fail, no one will be surprised and Leaf fans get to whine for another year - but if we don't, we wouldn't have given anything up and for once can say we developed a team.

Oh, and we'll draft high again if we fail - for whatever that's worth.

The Leafs already have Lupul, Kessel, Grabovski and MacArthur as top six forwards. Penner isn't a center so he's not going to replace Bozak or Connolly. That leaves Kulemin, Frattin and Kadri. Do you really want to see Penner replace one of those three guys? And even if he plays on the 3rd line, do you really want Penner on the 3rd line?

Makes no sense. He's 30, he's usually out of shape, he's lazy and he's the opposite of what this team needs.
- Unholy_Goalie

for starters, yes, he'd be a big body in a third line role..

it would also be a 1 year contract for 1-1.5million tops

and army would have to go to make room.

i wouldnt be against it simply because he knows carlyle's systems.. and anyone who thinks the leafs are gonn a do a 180 next year and just start being good is probably fooling themselves.. so.. penner would be a good transition player when it comes to the systems carlyle plans to put into place.

also, if injuries occur, he is skilled enough to jump up into a top 6 role.

as for the laziness that would be my one fear.. if he comes here and takes a jhalf assed approach it could instill bad habits into some of the younger guys.. i guess that would be the gamble.

however, the point is likely moot.. didnt burke already say he doesnt really see anything in the FA crop this year that entices him?

What are the odds that Armdog, Kulimen and Lombardi have bounce back years and play to their abilitys.....what if Schenn and Komi settle down andbecome productive??

Is it me or does it always seem that what ever can go wrong does go wrong??

Once, just once id love to see a mid level leaf draft pick blossom into something greater than he was projected to be

As a long supporter of this team i realize that there is a better chance of the hole in my ass healing than any of the above coming true

- billyberg10

Reimer would potentially be that pick you talked about.

Joey Crabb was a 6th rounder that was a pretty good 3rd liner this year..

Ross is looking good at the moment for a 3rd rounder

So the difference between Lindback and Rick Nash is a 2nd round pick.
Beautiful.



Yeah totally, a 23 year old 5th overall pick and a 30 goal scorer are totally the same as a back-up with 30 games of NHL experience.



Oh this is risk analysis? Is that what this is? I've got another name for it but I'd probably get banned for it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Given the position Howsen is in...yes. A 2nd rounder OR one of our top prospects....

And it is the same....both sets of players are unproven and/or inconsistent....the risk is the same.

Daigle was once a 23 yr old 1st overall pick...what does where a guy got picked in the draft have to do with his performance?

If we can get him inked to a $2-3MM contract over 2yrs, I'd do it....

But to your point, it all depends on the amount of buyers...and his production in the post season will probably drive up either price or term.
- Pen15

i'd say thats too rich...

if thats his price tag just play a younger guy from the marlies who has had a good post season.

Here's what I would do:

Goaltending:
Option 1: Trade for Lindback/Bernier (give up Schenn/Franson + Mac/Kuli)
Option 2: Sign a veteran back up & give Reimer another shot

Power Forward:
Option 1: Trade for Nash/JVR (give up Schenn/Franson + Mac/Kuli + 2nd rounder/Colborne/Kadri
Option 2: Sign Dustin Penner for cheaper than what he makes now

#1 Centre:
Draft Galenchuk
- Pen15

No and no!!!!!!!!

for starters, yes, he'd be a big booby in a third line role..?
- Dozzer

Sorry, I had to.

I fail to see how Schenn underperformed.

The kid is 22 years old, he plays defense in the NHL and is a stay-at-home style defenseman...show me one stay-at-home dman at the age of 22 that was shutting down the top players like everyone expects Schenn to.

Schenn didn't underacheive, the fans just over-expect.

I love how Leafs fans say they're ready for a rebuild but have zero patience to let Schenn develop. Dude won't be meeting fans expectations until he's 25 at the earliest...probably more like 27.
- Juice

At this point, Schenn would have a problem shutting down a OHL'er
He's played in over 300 games...piss off with this patience crap.
I have no problems waiting 10 year for this kid to turn into an Ok dman....but in the mean time dont play him as a top 4 dman....he simply is not and pay him anything over 2....he's simply not worth it...maybe when's 30...but not now

for starters, yes, he'd be a big body in a third line role..

it would also be a 1 year contract for 1-1.5million tops

and army would have to go to make room.
- Dozzer

Sorry but Penner, at 30, is worthless to us. This desperate need for a "big body" is vastly overrated. Having a "big body" with 7 goals and a lazy attitude doesn't help this team. I'd rather reward Frattin and give him a full time spot. He's earned it.

Given the position Howsen is in...yes. A 2nd rounder OR one of our top prospects....
- Pen15

So you say yes, the difference in price between Anders "I've played 38 NHL games" Lindback and Rick "I'm better than Kessel" Nash is a 2nd round pick?

Amazing.

Cool. Frattin plays center now. And better than Bozak too.

This is great stuff.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'd like to see Frattin play centre. Is fast, big body, can skate and most importantly, has a high hockey IQ.

I'd like to see Frattin play centre. Is fast, big body, can skate and most importantly, has a high hockey IQ.
- Pen15

So experiment with Frattin at center while demoting the guy who has been playing as the 1st line center for two years down to the 3rd line to facilitate that experiment.

Sorry, I had to.
- A_Tree

well that too lol

So you say yes, the difference in price between Anders "I've played 38 NHL games" Lindback and Rick "I'm better than Kessel" Nash is a 2nd round pick?

Amazing.


- Unholy_Goalie

Given the context of the situation...and simple supply and demand...yes.

Howsen has 5-10 teams to choose from....and those 5-10 GMs know this...he's going to get fleeced.

Lindback/Bernier are 2 of a very small list of high upside potential goalies that can be had on the trade market.

Unfortunately your narrow lense of valuation starts and ends on the ice...and doesn't progress into the actual economics of making a deal.

for starters, yes, he'd be a big body in a third line role..

it would also be a 1 year contract for 1-1.5million tops

and army would have to go to make room.

i wouldnt be against it simply because he knows carlyle's systems.. and anyone who thinks the leafs are gonn a do a 180 next year and just start being good is probably fooling themselves.. so.. penner would be a good transition player when it comes to the systems carlyle plans to put into place.

also, if injuries occur, he is skilled enough to jump up into a top 6 role.

as for the laziness that would be my one fear.. if he comes here and takes a jhalf assed approach it could instill bad habits into some of the younger guys.. i guess that would be the gamble.

however, the point is likely moot.. didnt burke already say he doesnt really see anything in the FA crop this year that entices him?
- Dozzer

Oh gawd forget penner....we dont need more crap...we have enough.
When you say 180..do you mean a 180 from how they played up until Feb or a 180 from how they played the last 20 games?

Sorry but Penner, at 30, is worthless to us. This desperate need for a "big body" is vastly overrated. Having a "big body" with 7 goals and a lazy attitude doesn't help this team. I'd rather reward Frattin and give him a full time spot. He's earned it.
- Unholy_Goalie

fair enough.... believe i wont cry if burke doesnt sign penner

god dammit Dion.

fair enough.... believe i wont cry if burke doesnt sign penner
- Dozzer

I don't think you would. But you should if he does.

So experiment with Frattin at center while demoting the guy who has been playing as the 1st line center for two years down to the 3rd line so facilitate that experiment.


- Unholy_Goalie

Bozak has played #1 centre for 2 years out of necessity...he never earned that spot.

And when it's all said and done....he's probably going to make for a very effective 3rd line centre...which is where most experts projected him to be in the first place.

Sorry but Penner, at 30, is worthless to us. This desperate need for a "big body" is vastly overrated. Having a "big body" with 7 goals and a lazy attitude doesn't help this team. I'd rather reward Frattin and give him a full time spot. He's earned it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Logan's Run theory again,

Given the context of the situation...and simple supply and demand...yes.

Howsen has 5-10 teams to choose from....and those 5-10 GMs know this...he's going to get fleeced.

Lindback/Bernier are 2 of a very small list of high upside potential goalies that can be had on the trade market.

Unfortunately your narrow lense of valuation starts and ends on the ice...and doesn't progress into the actual economics of making a deal.
- Pen15

Potential?

So we trade a guy thats a 22 yo #5 overall pick,a nd a 30 goal scorer from a year ago, for a guy with no experience and worse numbers than Reimer..

WHY????

So experiment with Frattin at center while demoting the guy who has been playing as the 1st line center for two years down to the 3rd line to facilitate that experiment.


- Unholy_Goalie

Forget Frattin on the top line...Bozak is only on the top line, because the leafs have no one else...he should be 3rd liner.

The leafs need two things... a good goalie and a top line center...well and better D...but for now go with the first...I dont care how they get it or what overvalued prospects have to shipped out to get...just do it already.

Good afternoon all. What's up?