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bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 3 @ 12:25 AM ET
That picture is why they are my most hated team in all of sports.
- rockychocbill

Yeah, and they both are still so relevant to the current....oh wait, not so much.

By the way, Claude Lemieux the cat is rooting for the Kings.

For those of you who were saying they should do a 24/7 during the playoffs. Something similar (although much more condensed) on Sunday night at 8 on the NHL Network in the U.S. Not sure where it will be on in or when in Canada.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jun 3 @ 12:56 AM ET
Yeah, and they both are still so relevant to the current....oh wait, not so much.

By the way, Claude Lemieux the cat is rooting for the Kings.

For those of you who were saying they should do a 24/7 during the playoffs. Something similar (although much more condensed) on Sunday night at 8 on the NHL Network in the U.S. Not sure where it will be on in or when in Canada.

- bodiva88


I don't care if it was 15 years ago or 15 minutes ago. I will NEVER cheer for that franchise. I hate all the Atlantic Division franchises for what they've done to the Flyers over the years. And I hate the Devils the most.

Isn't Pawed Lemieux cheering for the wrong team then?
Duran76
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Calmer than you are dude, PA
Joined: 07.25.2010

Jun 3 @ 7:55 AM ET
Great goal
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:02 AM ET
Let me preface this by saying that I like the trades of Richards/Carter and I think they are great trades for the future as I love the players we got in return.

However, while watching the game last night I couldn't help but think... would Flyers be in the cup if they only traded Carter, which would have still allowed them to sign Bryz.

Love him or hate him, Richards is an absolute force in the playoffs. Brayden Schenn had a pretty good playoffs but Simmonds was mediocre at best during the playoffs.

So I float the question which will drum up much debate I am sure... would the Flyers have been better off THIS SEASON if they had kept Richards and only traded Carter?

One thing is for sure, the Kings would not be playing in the SCF without trading for Richards, which resulted in them trading for Carter as well.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:08 AM ET
Let me preface this by saying that I like the trades of Richards/Carter and I think they are great trades for the future as I love the players we got in return.

However, while watching the game last night I couldn't help but think... would Flyers be in the cup if they only traded Carter, which would have still allowed them to sign Bryz.

Love him or hate him, Richards is an absolute force in the playoffs. Brayden Schenn had a pretty good playoffs but Simmonds was mediocre at best during the playoffs.

So I float the question which will drum up much debate I am sure... would the Flyers have been better off THIS SEASON if they had kept Richards and only traded Carter?

One thing is for sure, the Kings would not be playing in the SCF without trading for Richards, which resulted in them trading for Carter as well.

- Flyers2821


I don't buy that keeping Richards gets the Flyers to the SCF. The three biggest reasons the Kings are where they are are Jon Quick, Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar. Those 3 had zero to do with the Flyers and the trades.

Richards and Carter have helped, but they haven't been driving the bus.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:12 AM ET
I don't buy that keeping Richards gets the Flyers to the SCF. The three biggest reasons the Kings are where they are are Jon Quick, Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar. Those 3 had zero to do with the Flyers and the trades.

Richards and Carter have helped, but they haven't been driving the bus.

- Jsaquella


Do you agree that if the LA Kings don't make the trade for Richards in the offseason they are not in the cup right now? They probably wouldn't even have made the playoffs..
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:17 AM ET
Do you agree that if the LA Kings don't make the trade for Richards in the offseason they are not in the cup right now? They probably wouldn't even have made the playoffs..
- Flyers2821


Richards didn't play that big a role for the Kings this year. Jonathon Quick was far more vital to the Kings being where they are than Richards. I'd say that if you had to rank the players in terms of importance to where the Kings are now, Richards would be behind Quick, Brown, Kopitar and Doughty at the very least. Maybe even behind Justin Williams, Willie Mitchell and Rob Scuderi in terms of playoff importance.

Richards hasn't played badly, but he's definitely a second tier guy for LA. He's certainly helped them, but he hasn't be the reason they are where they are. I think that Richards or not, they're still close to where they are.
Betelgeuse
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 05.19.2012

Jun 3 @ 9:17 AM ET
Do you agree that if the LA Kings don't make the trade for Richards in the offseason they are not in the cup right now? They probably wouldn't even have made the playoffs..
- Flyers2821

I do. Doesn't always have to be about stats. I just think alot of flyer fans are just plain bitter.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:19 AM ET
Richards didn't play that big a role for the Kings this year. Jonathon Quick was far more vital to the Kings being where they are than Richards. I'd say that if you had to rank the players in terms of importance to where the Kings are now, Richards would be behind Quick, Brown, Kopitar and Doughty at the very least. Maybe even behind Justin Williams, Willie Mitchell and Rob Scuderi in terms of playoff importance.

Richards hasn't played badly, but he's definitely a second tier guy for LA. He's certainly helped them, but he hasn't be the reason they are where they are. I think that Richards or not, they're still close to where they are.

- Jsaquella



Didn't answer the question..
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:21 AM ET
Didn't answer the question..
- Flyers2821


Didn't even read my whole post, did ya?

Look at the last sentence, genius.

"I think, Richards or not, the Kings are still close to where they are now"
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:22 AM ET
I do. Doesn't always have to be about stats. I just think alot of flyer fans are just plain bitter.
- Betelgeuse


I'm actually not bitter at all, I just look back at the Kings during the regular season and the turning point for them was re-uniting Richards and Carter. Once they acquired Carter their season turned around and they went into the playoffs hot and have not looked back.

Does that happen if they did not acquire Richards in the offseason? I don't think i does.
Betelgeuse
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 05.19.2012

Jun 3 @ 9:22 AM ET
Didn't answer the question..
- Flyers2821

He's bitter.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:23 AM ET
Didn't even read my whole post, did ya?

Look at the last sentence, genius.

"I think, Richards or not, the Kings are still close to where they are now"

- Jsaquella


Relax buddy.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:23 AM ET
He's bitter.
- Betelgeuse


Actually, I'm rooting for the Kings to win it, Kreskin.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:23 AM ET
Relax buddy.
- Flyers2821


I'm perfectly relaxed. Try reading the whole post somebody makes before ripping what they said.
Betelgeuse
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 05.19.2012

Jun 3 @ 9:24 AM ET
I'm actually not bitter at all, I just look back at the Kings during the regular season and the turning point for them was re-uniting Richards and Carter. Once they acquired Carter their season turned around and they went into the playoffs hot and have not looked back.

Does that happen if they did not acquire Richards in the offseason? I don't think i does.

- Flyers2821

Your actually pretty level headed. I meant many others are though.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:24 AM ET
He's bitter.
- Betelgeuse


What am I bitter about? I really don't care if the Kings and Richards/Carter win the cup. I am simply looking at the situation and had the Flyers done what was expected and just traded Carter, where both teams would have been. The Richards trade was completely unexpected and it is interesting to me to dissect the situation had they not made that trade. That's all
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 3 @ 9:25 AM ET
I'm perfectly relaxed. Try reading the whole post somebody makes before ripping what they said.
- Jsaquella


I wasn't ripping you at all
Betelgeuse
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 05.19.2012

Jun 3 @ 9:25 AM ET
Actually, I'm rooting for the Kings to win it, Kreskin.
- Jsaquella

Good God No!! Crim's'll jump off a bridge.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:26 AM ET
I wasn't ripping you at all
- Flyers2821


You said I didn't answer the question, which I most certainly did.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:27 AM ET
Good God No!! Crim's'll jump off a bridge.
- Betelgeuse


As long as my car isn't parked under that bridge, not my concern
Betelgeuse
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 05.19.2012

Jun 3 @ 9:28 AM ET
I'm perfectly relaxed. Try reading the whole post somebody makes before ripping what they said.
- Jsaquella

Sounds like Augello's in here.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 3 @ 9:28 AM ET
Betelgeuse
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 05.19.2012

Jun 3 @ 9:29 AM ET
As long as my car isn't parked under that bridge, not my concern
- Jsaquella

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:31 AM ET

- BulliesPhan87


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