Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers and Salary Cap Parameters

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers and Salary Cap Parameters
- bmeltzer

I know you said they can't LITR someone until opening night, but can they waive players to free up space and then bring them back up for opening night?

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers and Salary Cap Parameters
- bmeltzer

Should only be a matter of when they make a move not if, right?

I know you said they can't LITR someone until opening night, but can they waive players to free up space and then bring them back up for opening night?
- aosplayo

No. They can't waive players over the summer.

Should only be a matter of when they make a move not if, right?
- ob18

Absolutely a question of when, not if.

At what point is briere contract tradable...I know he has the NTC but can we send him to buffalo....His 6.5m cap hit Vs his salary at 7,3,2 over the next 3 years would be great for a team trying to reach the floor....after next season his contract will look real good...if he's playing ok.

Great blob Bill !

No. They can't waive players over the summer.
- bmeltzer

Ok thank you sir. Stupid NHL12 and it's falsehoods. I had Kimmo spending his summer in the Adirondack fishing while we scooped up some help. I guess he can go to his homeland now.

At what point is briere contract tradable...I know he has the NTC but can we send him to buffalo....His 6.5m cap hit Vs his salary at 7,3,2 over the next 3 years would be great for a team trying to reach the floor....after next season his contract will look real good...if he's playing ok.

Great blob Bill !
- huks99

I hear what you are saying. And I agree that teams trying to get to the cap floor would have an interest.

However, the Flyers have no interest in trading Briere for cap space, nor does Briere have any desire to waive his no-movement clause. Any discussion of it is strictly theoretical and not based in anything that is likely to happen.

Bill, you said the Flyers have roughly 9 mil to spend and in the summer Pronger and walker count against the cap so my question is if they spend over that 9 million all they would need to to is just put Pronger on LTI and Walker in the minors on opening day to get back under right?

Giroux still leads the league in playoff goals.

Edit: tied with briere

Bill, you said the Flyers have roughly 9 mil to spend and in the summer Pronger and walker count against the cap so my question is if they spend over that 9 million all they would need to to is just put Pronger on LTI and Walker in the minors on opening day to get back under right?
- killercam

Waiving Walker and assigning him the AHL would remove him from the team's cap.

Putting Pronger on LTIR would still count toward the cap ceiling, but would give the club an allowance -- if needed -- to go over the cap by the difference between the cap ceiling and Pronger's full cap hit.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers and Salary Cap Parameters
- bmeltzer

Hi Bill,
Sorry to go off topic, but watching the playoffs has me worried about the "offensive" system we're employing, while watching teams that employ strict defensive systems that seem to be having the success that wins.
Do you feel that the numbers that some of our forwards had this season is more attributed to the system they play?, (ie: if Simmonds was back in LA, would he be a 30 point guy again?). Could it be that having good offensive numbers in a flyer jersey nowadays is "skewed" due to the system we play?
Also, on Briere, No one can deny the beast of a player he becomes in the post season, and that he has earned his contract on these efforts alone, but if given the choice, would you opt for a 2nd line center whom scores much less, yet is more well rounded at both ends of the ice? His lack of defense in the New Jersey series really showed a big comparison, (leaving the zone too early), to the Pittsburgh series, where the Pens didn't play any defense, and if an easily exposed issue with our team can be the gap between forwards & the "D", that could further hurt our chances of advancing.

Thank you, again, sorry to go off base, but I really wonder what hockey will be like in the next couple of seasons, as teams watch what the Rangers, Kings, Coyotes, etc, did in this post season, and the prospect of our team continuing to play an "enjoyable to watch" but potentially "easily to expose weaknesses" system will bring?

Waiving Walker and assigning him the AHL would remove him from the team's cap.

Putting Pronger on LTIR would still count toward the cap ceiling, but would give the club an allowance -- if needed -- to go over the cap by the difference between the cap ceiling and Pronger's full cap hit.
- bmeltzer

Bill do you think there will be the amnesty clause in the new CBA for 1 contract? I don't see how it hurts anyone involved, but there are always unforeseen consequences that pop up. I haven't heard it being a problem in the NBA thus far.


EDIT: Only 6 players in the NBA have been amnestied so far. That should increase significantly this off season.......Elton Brand cough cough...

Hi Bill,
Sorry to go off topic, but watching the playoffs has me worried about the "offensive" system we're employing, while watching teams that employ strict defensive systems that seem to be having the success that wins.
Do you feel that the numbers that some of our forwards had this season is more attributed to the system they play?, (ie: if Simmonds was back in LA, would he be a 30 point guy again?). Could it be that having good offensive numbers in a flyer jersey nowadays is "skewed" due to the system we play?
Also, on Briere, No one can deny the beast of a player he becomes in the post season, and that he has earned his contract on these efforts alone, but if given the choice, would you opt for a 2nd line center whom scores much less, yet is more well rounded at both ends of the ice? His lack of defense in the New Jersey series really showed a big comparison, (leaving the zone too early), to the Pittsburgh series, where the Pens didn't play any defense, and if an easily exposed issue with our team can be the gap between forwards & the "D", that could further hurt our chances of advancing.

Thank you, again, sorry to go off base, but I really wonder what hockey will be like in the next couple of seasons, as teams watch what the Rangers, Kings, Coyotes, etc, did in this post season, and the prospect of our team continuing to play an "enjoyable to watch" but potentially "easily to expose weaknesses" system will bring?
- puckhead17

If the system is executed correctly an adjustments are made by the coaching staff there's no reason this system can't win a cup.

Hi Bill,
Sorry to go off topic, but watching the playoffs has me worried about the "offensive" system we're employing, while watching teams that employ strict defensive systems that seem to be having the success that wins.
Do you feel that the numbers that some of our forwards had this season is more attributed to the system they play?, (ie: if Simmonds was back in LA, would he be a 30 point guy again?). Could it be that having good offensive numbers in a flyer jersey nowadays is "skewed" due to the system we play?
Also, on Briere, No one can deny the beast of a player he becomes in the post season, and that he has earned his contract on these efforts alone, but if given the choice, would you opt for a 2nd line center whom scores much less, yet is more well rounded at both ends of the ice? His lack of defense in the New Jersey series really showed a big comparison, (leaving the zone too early), to the Pittsburgh series, where the Pens didn't play any defense, and if an easily exposed issue with our team can be the gap between forwards & the "D", that could further hurt our chances of advancing.

Thank you, again, sorry to go off base, but I really wonder what hockey will be like in the next couple of seasons, as teams watch what the Rangers, Kings, Coyotes, etc, did in this post season, and the prospect of our team continuing to play an "enjoyable to watch" but potentially "easily to expose weaknesses" system will bring?
- puckhead17

Well, teams that play defensive-minded hockey, do seem to have an advantage of sorts against teams that play an aggressive forechecking system.
Often, they can't generate any speed through the neutral zone to either carry it in or else dump it in recover it quickly. Very often it seems like the "attack" team get outnumbered around the puck.

On the bonus cushion - was there none this year due the expiration of the CBA? I seem to recall reading that somewhere. I thought it would be reinstated with a new agreement, but I suppose it may have to be negotiated in again.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your blogs so far this summer. Really helps to pass the time until the draft, FA period, etc.

My biggest concern right now is that Pronger decides to retire rather than hang around like Lappy and others so that the Flyers can LTIR him every year. He tends to be a free spirit and really doesn't have long ties to the team. Plus, 5 years is a long time to play that game, especially when you are not feeling well.

If he retires, the team doesn't have to pay his salary, correct? Assuming no amnesty is added to the new CBA, could the Flyers trade him to a team struggling to get to the cap floor for say a mid to low pick?

Ok thank you sir. Stupid NHL12 and it's falsehoods. I had Kimmo spending his summer in the Adirondack fishing while we scooped up some help. I guess he can go to his homeland now.
- aosplayo

FWIW, waiving people has nothing to do with their cap hit hitting the big club or not, technically. Just like one-way and two-way have nothing to do with waivers eligibility.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers and Salary Cap Parameters
- bmeltzer

Bartulis will count against the summer cap in full as well.

On the bonus cushion - was there none this year due the expiration of the CBA? I seem to recall reading that somewhere. I thought it would be reinstated with a new agreement, but I suppose it may have to be negotiated in again.
- tangent_man

I would think this season there wont be one....I mean that affects alot of teams and there spending.... so if its in the new CBA they might not have it this year cause its the first year and no one knows whats gonna happen in the CBA talks

Bartulis will count against the summer cap in full as well.
- Tomahawk

Have a feeling he will be a future considerations type trade this summer (or a throw-in on another deal), so he can go compete for another NHL team's 6/7 job at camp. He's clearly no longer in Flyers' plans but his cap hit is very low and there are teams where he could be the number 7 at least.

FWIW, waiving people has nothing to do with their cap hit hitting the big club or not, technically. Just like one-way and two-way have nothing to do with waivers eligibility.
- Blackstrom2

Well, waiving PLUS assigning to the AHL does. Waiving alone doesn't. Either which way, the waiving team is still stuck with the salary on their payroll, it's just not reflected on the cap once they get assigned.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your blogs so far this summer. Really helps to pass the time until the draft, FA period, etc.

My biggest concern right now is that Pronger decides to retire rather than hang around like Lappy and others so that the Flyers can LTIR him every year. He tends to be a free spirit and really doesn't have long ties to the team. Plus, 5 years is a long time to play that game, especially when you are not feeling well.

If he retires, the team doesn't have to pay his salary, correct? Assuming no amnesty is added to the new CBA, could the Flyers trade him to a team struggling to get to the cap floor for say a mid to low pick?
- TheGreat28

Pronger doesn't have to remain anywhere around the team to remain on LTIR. 5 years is not a long time to keep collecting those checks. Not sure about being able to trade him because he's injured. Doubt it would be for a mid to low pick though.

looking at that available capspace I'd say some of the guys aren't coming back.

Hi Bill,
Sorry to go off topic, but watching the playoffs has me worried about the "offensive" system we're employing, while watching teams that employ strict defensive systems that seem to be having the success that wins.
Do you feel that the numbers that some of our forwards had this season is more attributed to the system they play?, (ie: if Simmonds was back in LA, would he be a 30 point guy again?). Could it be that having good offensive numbers in a flyer jersey nowadays is "skewed" due to the system we play?
Also, on Briere, No one can deny the beast of a player he becomes in the post season, and that he has earned his contract on these efforts alone, but if given the choice, would you opt for a 2nd line center whom scores much less, yet is more well rounded at both ends of the ice? His lack of defense in the New Jersey series really showed a big comparison, (leaving the zone too early), to the Pittsburgh series, where the Pens didn't play any defense, and if an easily exposed issue with our team can be the gap between forwards & the "D", that could further hurt our chances of advancing.

Thank you, again, sorry to go off base, but I really wonder what hockey will be like in the next couple of seasons, as teams watch what the Rangers, Kings, Coyotes, etc, did in this post season, and the prospect of our team continuing to play an "enjoyable to watch" but potentially "easily to expose weaknesses" system will bring?
- puckhead17

what rock you been hiding under there, head?