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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 2 @ 3:41 PM ET
Have a feeling he will be a future considerations type trade this summer (or a throw-in on another deal), so he can go compete for another NHL team's 6/7 job at camp. He's clearly no longer in Flyers' plans but his cap hit is very low and there are teams where he could be the number 7 at least.
- bmeltzer



At the very least, he'll be passing through waivers before the beginning of the season... hopefully one of the other 29 GM's will be willing to give our Latvian Wolf a second crack at an NHL career.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 2 @ 3:44 PM ET
I would think this season there wont be one....I mean that affects alot of teams and there spending.... so if its in the new CBA they might not have it this year cause its the first year and no one knows whats gonna happen in the CBA talks
- Slammed81



Honestly, with the limited time they have to negotiate, I wouldn't expect any radical changes to be introduced -- maybe a few concessions and a few amendments here and there, but nothing as major as we saw in the last one.

I'm betting the bonus cushion will still be there.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 2 @ 4:51 PM ET
Hey Bill,

I hope you see the humor, but you remind me of me as a parent of young kids.

Bill, what is this?
Bill, why?
Bill, How come?

I guess people are getting ready for free agent season, myself included. Assume Carle re-signs, my 2 cents says a gritty right winger is in play. Could see Bob traded as well for cap reasons.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 2 @ 4:59 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers and Salary Cap Parameters
- bmeltzer


While The Flyers have made it sound like they may walk away from Jagr, I don't see how they can. From the start Jagr has made it clear him coming back to the NHL has never been about money, which to me is a good sign. Also this summer I'm not seeing a player who could replace Jagr as a better sniper (Not that Jagr was overly fantastic at scoring this season). If the Flyers walk away from Jagr, I feel we need to replace him. I'm not saying the Flyers can't score without him but we already went a lot of games without even such young up and coming super stars like James van Reimsdyk. Then certain players such as Scott Hartnell, Wayne Simmonds, Jake Voracek and even Claude Giroux aren't known for their shots. If Jagr is willing to take a little less, I'm willing to welcome him back. If the Flyers aren't, you might have to look into making a similar move as last summer and maybe give Alex Kovalev a call to replace Jagr. I don't know how crazy I would be about that move.

Also, did I hear right? Does Tim Thomas really want a one year sabbatical, when his contract is up in a year? Is he a flake or something?? I mean he already skipped that White House Trip for silly reasons. If I'm the Bruins GM, I would have a real problem with this. Play out your contract and then do whatever you want after that.

I do wonder if Tim Thomas will make the Hall though. He hasn't been a star for very long but man has he ever left a mark. Two Vezina's, a Conn Smyth and a Stanley Cup. I must say I do respect what he's done on the ice and I did like his humble reaction to winning to Conn Smyth but man oh man, get with it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 5:07 PM ET
Honestly, with the limited time they have to negotiate, I wouldn't expect any radical changes to be introduced -- maybe a few concessions and a few amendments here and there, but nothing as major as we saw in the last one.

I'm betting the bonus cushion will still be there.

- Tomahawk


I agree. I think negotiating the players share and things related to HRR are going to be the main topics. I'm sure there will be a Bonus cushion for some of the years, but maybe not all of them.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 2 @ 5:07 PM ET
While The Flyers have made it sound like they may walk away from Jagr, I don't see how they can. From the start Jagr has made it clear him coming back to the NHL has never been about money, which to me is a good sign. Also this summer I'm not seeing a player who could replace Jagr as a better sniper (Not that Jagr was overly fantastic at scoring this season). If the Flyers walk away from Jagr, I feel we need to replace him. I'm not saying the Flyers can't score without him but we already went a lot of games without even such young up and coming super stars like James van Reimsdyk. Then certain players such as Scott Hartnell, Wayne Simmonds, Jake Voracek and even Claude Giroux aren't known for their shots. If Jagr is willing to take a little less, I'm willing to welcome him back. If the Flyers aren't, you might have to look into making a similar move as last summer and maybe give Alex Kovalev a call to replace Jagr. I don't know how crazy I would be about that move.

Also, did I hear right? Does Tim Thomas really want a one year sabbatical, when his contract is up in a year? Is he a flake or something?? I mean he already skipped that White House Trip for silly reasons. If I'm the Bruins GM, I would have a real problem with this. Play out your contract and then do whatever you want after that.

I do wonder if Tim Thomas will make the Hall though. He hasn't been a star for very long but man has he ever left a mark. Two Vezina's, a Conn Smyth and a Stanley Cup. I must say I do respect what he's done on the ice and I did like his humble reaction to winning to Conn Smyth but man oh man, get with it.

- roenick97


If somone wanted to take 100's of thousands of your dollars, you may not want to pay them a friendly visit either.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 5:08 PM ET
While The Flyers have made it sound like they may walk away from Jagr, I don't see how they can. From the start Jagr has made it clear him coming back to the NHL has never been about money, which to me is a good sign. Also this summer I'm not seeing a player who could replace Jagr as a better sniper (Not that Jagr was overly fantastic at scoring this season). If the Flyers walk away from Jagr, I feel we need to replace him. I'm not saying the Flyers can't score without him but we already went a lot of games without even such young up and coming super stars like James van Reimsdyk. Then certain players such as Scott Hartnell, Wayne Simmonds, Jake Voracek and even Claude Giroux aren't known for their shots. If Jagr is willing to take a little less, I'm willing to welcome him back. If the Flyers aren't, you might have to look into making a similar move as last summer and maybe give Alex Kovalev a call to replace Jagr. I don't know how crazy I would be about that move.

Also, did I hear right? Does Tim Thomas really want a one year sabbatical, when his contract is up in a year? Is he a flake or something?? I mean he already skipped that White House Trip for silly reasons. If I'm the Bruins GM, I would have a real problem with this. Play out your contract and then do whatever you want after that.

I do wonder if Tim Thomas will make the Hall though. He hasn't been a star for very long but man has he ever left a mark. Two Vezina's, a Conn Smyth and a Stanley Cup. I must say I do respect what he's done on the ice and I did like his humble reaction to winning to Conn Smyth but man oh man, get with it.

- roenick97


Not when his contract is up in a year, but this coming year when he is still under contract. And I think the Flyers should absolutely walk away from Jagr.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 2 @ 5:21 PM ET
Not when his contract is up in a year, but this coming year when he is still under contract. And I think the Flyers should absolutely walk away from Jagr.
- MJL


old injury prone and disappears from the score sheet for games at a time, goodbye jaromir enjoy the khl
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jun 2 @ 5:23 PM ET
Well, waiving PLUS assigning to the AHL does. Waiving alone doesn't. Either which way, the waiving team is still stuck with the salary on their payroll, it's just not reflected on the cap once they get assigned.
- bmeltzer



That's why I said technically. I think there seems to be quite a lot of misconception on stuff like this because of how EA chose to do it in their video games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 5:33 PM ET
That's why I said technically. I think there seems to be quite a lot of misconception on stuff like this because of how EA chose to do it in their video games.
- Blackstrom2



Well if that is where people are getting the Salary Cap info there might be a bigger problem in place.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 2 @ 5:56 PM ET
Question for whoever reads this - is the $70.3 million salary cap teams have been told to work with been made official? I feel like it normally happens in later June closer to the draft-FA. If so, does this give the Flyers the tagging space necessary to lock Carle up before free agency begins?
FlyguyHI
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 07.06.2006

Jun 2 @ 5:57 PM ET
At what point is briere contract tradable...I know he has the NTC but can we send him to buffalo....His 6.5m cap hit Vs his salary at 7,3,2 over the next 3 years would be great for a team trying to reach the floor....after next season his contract will look real good...if he's playing ok.

Great blob Bill !

- huks99


Why would you want to trade Briere? All the guy does is tear it up in the playoffs. I think sometimes people get too analytical with breaking down salary cap, contracts, NMCs and such in an effort to mathematically construct a perfect team while forgetting that at the end of the day, it's the performance on the ice that's really all that matters. We're building a hockey team, not a model of one.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 5:58 PM ET
Question for whoever reads this - is the $70.3 million salary cap teams have been told to work with been made official? I feel like it normally happens in later June closer to the draft-FA. If so, does this give the Flyers the tagging space necessary to lock Carle up before free agency begins?
- five4fighting10


I don't think it has been made official yet.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 2 @ 6:01 PM ET
Why would you want to trade Briere? All the guy does is tear it up in the playoffs. I think sometimes people get too analytical with breaking down salary cap, contracts, NMCs and such in an effort to mathematically construct a perfect team while forgetting that at the end of the day, it's the performance on the ice that's really all that matters. We're building a hockey team, not a model of one.
- FlyguyHI


high cap hit, low regular season production, can't defend to save his life. those are the reasons people want him gone.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 2 @ 6:09 PM ET
Why would you want to trade Briere? All the guy does is tear it up in the playoffs. I think sometimes people get too analytical with breaking down salary cap, contracts, NMCs and such in an effort to mathematically construct a perfect team while forgetting that at the end of the day, it's the performance on the ice that's really all that matters. We're building a hockey team, not a model of one.
- FlyguyHI


Agree. We're deep at center though which could make Danny expendable.

Hartsy-Giroux-Voracek
JVR-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Talbot

$6.5 million would go a long way to sign a guy like Suter or Parise.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 6:09 PM ET
Agree. We're deep at center though which could make Danny expendable.

Hartsy-Giroux-Voracek
JVR-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Talbot

$6.5 million would go a long way to sign a guy like Suter or Parise.

- moylander


There is no such thing as a player like Briere being expendable.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 6:18 PM ET
Agree. We're deep at center though which could make Danny expendable.

Hartsy-Giroux-Voracek
JVR-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Talbot

$6.5 million would go a long way to sign a guy like Suter or Parise.

- moylander


Don't get your hopes up on seeing either Suter or Parise as a Flyer.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 2 @ 7:02 PM ET
There is no such thing as a player like Briere being expendable.
- MJL

EastBeast18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.19.2010

Jun 2 @ 7:06 PM ET
If he becomes available and he's willing to play on a big market east team, we need to do whatever it takes to get weber. I wouldnt worry about losing 1st rd picks , were stacked with youth on the big club, and down the farm. We are overflowing with offense so we can afford to lose a jvr or read..or both. I'd imagine nashville would want defense in return ..especially if suter walks.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 2 @ 7:22 PM ET
If he becomes available and he's willing to play on a big market east team, we need to do whatever it takes to get weber. I wouldnt worry about losing 1st rd picks , were stacked with youth on the big club, and down the farm. We are overflowing with offense so we can afford to lose a jvr or read..or both. I'd imagine nashville would want defense in return ..especially if suter walks.
- EastBeast18


If Nashville allows Suter to walk I don't see anyway they let Weber get away. Now if that does happen then Nashville should fold up shop. I just dont see them losing both defenseman. Now if Suter signs with Nashville that opens the door but I dont see why Nashville would commit to Suter over Weber.
EastBeast18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.19.2010

Jun 2 @ 7:30 PM ET
If Nashville allows Suter to walk I don't see anyway they let Weber get away. Now if that does happen then Nashville should fold up shop. I just dont see them losing both defenseman. Now if Suter signs with Nashville that opens the door but I dont see why Nashville would commit to Suter over Weber.
- stveshdy



The word is weber will be pissed if they let suter walk, and will want out. Shea holds the cards too. I really think nashville is losing both.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 2 @ 7:33 PM ET
The word is weber will be pissed if they let suter walk, and will want out. Shea holds the cards too. I really think nashville is losing both.
- EastBeast18


Nashville will still get what they want for Weber. If they let it be known the Flyers will have to compete with many teams for his services through a trade.

I don't know if Weber will be pissed if Suter walks bc I haven't read anything about that. Weber does hold the cards but Nashville won't just allow him to walk for nothing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 7:34 PM ET
The word is weber will be pissed if they let suter walk, and will want out. Shea holds the cards too. I really think nashville is losing both.
- EastBeast18


Where have you seen this word at?
EastBeast18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.19.2010

Jun 2 @ 7:42 PM ET
Where have you seen this word at?
- MJL



Heard it from a couple different analysts..dont remember exactly who..and no i dont have a link.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 7:48 PM ET
Heard it from a couple different analysts..dont remember exactly who..and no i dont have a link.
- EastBeast18


There's a lot of talk floating around this time of year. Coming from a lot of unreliable sources. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in most things as the word this time of year.
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