So by that logic, and referring to your trade, if Colborne is the prospect, the pick is the second rounder and Komisarek is the dump...than Schenn+Kulemin= Kesler....run that by any other team and see how that goes over
- Suckitcrosby

Nope, I said Luongo alone gets those....and Colborne is an upper-level prospect, not a mid-level prospect. And if you did get Colborne, no way you'd get a 2nd rounder. That's the little extra you get with Schenn and Kulemin for Kesler. Even if you gotta tweak here and there, a trade with that base is not far-off. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Remove Gagner and that trade becomes almost acceptable.
- dallas717

Could potentially be getting Gardiner, Murray, and Schultz with that deal.

Luongo

to Leafs for

Mike Brown, Frattin, 2nd Round

Luongo

to Leafs for

Mike Brown, Frattin, 2nd Round
- Rimland

Eww

Could potentially be getting Gardiner, Murray, and Schultz with that deal.
- yea-ok-buddy

Leaves us a pretty big hole at center, and weak depth at right wing

I dunno... Im pretty sold on Nail, as nice as all those dmen would be.

I doubt Tambi has the balls to move the pick anyways.

Remove Gagner and add MPS then its fair...4 spots is not worth as much as you Oilers Fans seem to think
- Suckitcrosby

The mistake you are making is you are looking at the number of the pick instead of the player that will be taken, which is what happens when you trade at the draft. This is why every trade involving a top 10 pick (very rarely happens) is an overpayment, because GM's actually understand that.

Who would the Oilers be taking at 5? Let's say Reinhart/Rielly. Say this trade doesn't happen at the draft, what you are proposing is Nail Yakupov, a guy who has been called a generational talent by scouts, is pretty much guaranteed to step in immediately and make an impact, and who most would agree will be a star in the league for years to come, along with a high end prospect for a WHL defensemen who may never even play an NHL game and a top 4 defenseman? In what universe is that trade acceptable? No thanks.

You seem to be the only one who thinks that would be enough. Speaking objectively here I would say that a Komisarek, MacArthur, and Franson for Luongo deal would make sense. If you wanted Kesler you would probably have to add your 2012 1st, Colborne, and Gardiner/Schenn.

Even then it wouldn't happen. What some people are unable to understand is the concept of "fair value". Just because you have offered what you think a player is worth in a trade doesn't mean it will be accepted. This isn't NHL 12. Sure, Gardiner and Colborne + your 2012 1st would probably be "fair value", but there is no way that trade would happen because there is nothing coming back to Vancouver that would help them as much as Kesler does.
- dallas717

I'm not sure it WOULD be enough......but it's close to being fair. A helluva lot more fair than what you're proposing. Gardiner? AND the 5th overall? That's crazy. Way overpayment. But again, like I keep saying, everyone has their own rating system and how they value their assets.....which is why so little actual trades occur.....especially ones like the ones we go on and on about here.

Luongo

to Leafs for

Mike Brown, Frattin, 2nd Round
- Rimland

That's actually fair, although it's been speculated any deal for Luongo would have to include significant salary going back, of which there is none here.

Remove Gagner and add MPS then its fair...4 spots is not worth as much as you Oilers Fans seem to think
- Suckitcrosby

And Gardiner isn't worth as much as you Leafs fans think. The drop off from 1st to 5th is pretty big and you WILL have to overpay.

Eww
- yea-ok-buddy

Vancouver needs a bottom six (mike brown is awesome!) a guy who could play 2nd or 3rd line t0 be interchangeable like Kassian - that would be Frattin... maybe McKegg... ?

I just don't see any D on the Leafs going to Vancouver unless Salo is not brought back, so i guess some kind of draft pick.

Vancouver needs a bottom six (mike brown is awesome!) a guy who could play 2nd or 3rd line t0 be interchangeable like Kassian - that would be Frattin... maybe McKegg... ?

I just don't see any D on the Leafs going to Vancouver unless Salo is not brought back, so i guess some kind of draft pick.
- Rimland

I just dont want to lose Frattin, he has just shown to much promise. The deal is probably pretty fair.

I'm not sure it WOULD be enough......but it's close to being fair. A helluva lot more fair than what you're proposing. Gardiner? AND the 5th overall? That's crazy. Way overpayment. But again, like I keep saying, everyone has their own rating system and how they value their assets.....which is why so little actual trades occur.....especially ones like the ones we go on and on about here.
- Phenom

I definitely agree with you that everybody is going to value players differently. Gardiner (a top 4 defensemen), a pick that may very well turn into a great player, an average player, or a bad player, and a high end prospect is not all that much to ask for a center that scored 46 goals and won the Selke trophy.

And Gardiner isn't worth as much as you Leafs fans think. The drop off from 1st to 5th is pretty big and you WILL have to overpay.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

You just need to take one look at his avatar and you can pretty much conclude that he's a few vaginas short of an orgy.

That's actually fair, although it's been speculated any deal for Luongo would have to include significant salary going back, of which there is none here.
- Phenom

i did not know this... that's gotta be Lombardi, MacArthur, or Armstrong

or Phaneuf but that would be crazy

The mistake you are making is you are looking at the number of the pick instead of the player that will be taken, which is what happens when you trade at the draft. This is why every trade involving a top 10 pick (very rarely happens) is an overpayment, because GM's actually understand that.

Who would the Oilers be taking at 5? Let's say Reinhart/Rielly. Say this trade doesn't happen at the draft, what you are proposing is Nail Yakupov, a guy who has been called a generational talent by scouts, is pretty much guaranteed to step in immediately and make an impact, and who most would agree will be a star in the league for years to come, along with a high end prospect for a WHL defensemen who may very well never even play an NHL game and a top 4 defenseman? In what universe is that trade acceptable? No thanks.
- dallas717

Just out of curiosity how do you guys plan on affording Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and Yakupov and filling your team with worthwhile defence and goaltending enough to win a cup?...good luck fitting all that under cap because i can't see a cup til you have defence and goaltending and by the time you get a sufficient amount of it, your young core are asking for big contracts. If I were the Oilers the Generational Talent Pick should be traded for something useful to you organization...But Tambi is an idiot, so I imagine you guys will have some heartache when one of these prize picks walks cause you can't afford him and get the other pieces necessary for a cup

Just saw this in the leaf Thread... Gardiner and the 5th for 1st and Gagner.
- yea-ok-buddy

Gagner is a 2nd line center. Leafs need first Liner and they don't need another winger they chalk full of them. The Oilers need defensive defensemen so it would need to be Phaneuf and I doubt the Oilers want his salary.

You just need to take one look at his avatar and you can pretty much conclude that he's a few vaginas short of an orgy.
- Starbuck

One stupid tweet announcing that King Windbag wants to move up to 1st overall and look what happens. Oh well, perhaps he'll get to perform an epic roast on Lt.Lisp again.

Just out of curiosity how do you guys plan on affording Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and Yakupov and filling your team with worthwhile defence and goaltending enough to win a cup?...good luck fitting all that under cap because i can't see a cup til you have defence and goaltending and by the time you get a sufficient amount of it, your young core are asking for big contracts. If I were the Oilers the Generational Talent Pick should be traded for something useful to you organization...But Tambi is an idiot, so I imagine you guys will have some heartache when one of these prize picks walks cause you can't afford him and get the other pieces necessary for a cup
- Suckitcrosby

The same way LA fits everyone.

Just out of curiosity how do you guys plan on affording Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and Yakupov and filling your team with worthwhile defence and goaltending enough to win a cup?...good luck fitting all that under cap because i can't see a cup til you have defence and goaltending and by the time you get a sufficient amount of it, your young core are asking for big contracts. If I were the Oilers the Generational Talent Pick should be traded for something useful to you organization...But Tambi is an idiot, so I imagine you guys will have some heartache when one of these prize picks walks cause you can't afford him and get the other pieces necessary for a cup
- Suckitcrosby

Could potentially be getting Gardiner, Murray, and Schultz with that deal.
- yea-ok-buddy

Shultz has nothing to do with the deal

Gagner is a 2nd line center. Leafs need first Liner and they don't need another winger they chalk full of them. The Oilers need defensive defensemen so it would need to be Phaneuf and I doubt the Oilers want his salary.
- Mathwil3

Wayne Gagner?

Just out of curiosity how do you guys plan on affording Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and Yakupov and filling your team with worthwhile defence and goaltending enough to win a cup?...good luck fitting all that under cap because i can't see a cup til you have defence and goaltending and by the time you get a sufficient amount of it, your young core are asking for big contracts. If I were the Oilers the Generational Talent Pick should be traded for something useful to you organization...But Tambi is an idiot, so I imagine you guys will have some heartache when one of these prize picks walks cause you can't afford him and get the other pieces necessary for a cup
- Suckitcrosby

no, not really

if Chicago and Philly can do it !

Hemsky will have to go however, spend that money on D

Just out of curiosity how do you guys plan on affording Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and Yakupov and filling your team with worthwhile defence and goaltending enough to win a cup?...good luck fitting all that under cap because i can't see a cup til you have defence and goaltending and by the time you get a sufficient amount of it, your young core are asking for big contracts. If I were the Oilers the Generational Talent Pick should be traded for something useful to you organization...But Tambi is an idiot, so I imagine you guys will have some heartache when one of these prize picks walks cause you can't afford him and get the other pieces necessary for a cup
- Suckitcrosby

It's a problem anyone would love to have. They should be able to keep them for their second contract. After that it's a crap shoot

Shultz has nothing to do with the deal
- Ihatebrianburke

Potentially if all this talk about Gardiner and him been best friends has any truth.

Just out of curiosity how do you guys plan on affording Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and Yakupov and filling your team with worthwhile defence and goaltending enough to win a cup?...good luck fitting all that under cap because i can't see a cup til you have defence and goaltending and by the time you get a sufficient amount of it, your young core are asking for big contracts. If I were the Oilers the Generational Talent Pick should be traded for something useful to you organization...But Tambi is an idiot, so I imagine you guys will have some heartache when one of these prize picks walks cause you can't afford him and get the other pieces necessary for a cup
- Suckitcrosby

Who said the Oilers plan on keeping all of them? I agree the Oilers are going to need to significantly upgrade their defence if they hope to challenge for a cup. First of all, all of those players will probably be signing first contracts at around $5.5 million. It is definitely doable to have that much money spent up front and still compete, just look at Los Angeles.

I also agree that eventually at least one of the big 4 forwards would have to go. But I guarantee the offers we will be getting 5 years down the road for any one of those guys will be a lot better than us having to include a high end prospect for Jake Gardiner and the 5th overall pick